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Poquito Loco May 28th 16 04:59 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
The Entertainment Industries Council has a list of 30 ways to denigrate gun ownership. Gotta love
Hollywood. Good thing Hopalong Cassidy, Lone Ranger, et al, are no longer shown on TV.

http://www.eiconline.org/topic-areas...n-suggestions/

I suppose, somewhere, there is a 'depiction suggestion' list to increase the emphasis on
LGBTQZ's...etc in movies and on television. Oh, I see there are 'depiction suggestions' for the
LGBTQ folks. But, they come under 'Mental Health'. How strange.

http://www.eiconline.org/teamup/wp-c...uggestions.pdf

True North[_2_] May 28th 16 06:37 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Saturday, 28 May 2016 12:59:48 UTC-3, Poquito Loco wrote:
The Entertainment Industries Council has a list of 30 ways to denigrate gun ownership. Gotta love
Hollywood. Good thing Hopalong Cassidy, Lone Ranger, et al, are no longer shown on TV.

http://www.eiconline.org/topic-areas...n-suggestions/

I suppose, somewhere, there is a 'depiction suggestion' list to increase the emphasis on
LGBTQZ's...etc in movies and on television. Oh, I see there are 'depiction suggestions' for the
LGBTQ folks. But, they come under 'Mental Health'. How strange.

http://www.eiconline.org/teamup/wp-c...uggestions.pdf


Y'all sure do have a 'thing' for those Lesbian, Gay Trans Gender etc people.
Thinking of signing up?

Poquito Loco May 28th 16 07:22 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sat, 28 May 2016 10:37:31 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Saturday, 28 May 2016 12:59:48 UTC-3, Poquito Loco wrote:
The Entertainment Industries Council has a list of 30 ways to denigrate gun ownership. Gotta love
Hollywood. Good thing Hopalong Cassidy, Lone Ranger, et al, are no longer shown on TV.

http://www.eiconline.org/topic-areas...n-suggestions/

I suppose, somewhere, there is a 'depiction suggestion' list to increase the emphasis on
LGBTQZ's...etc in movies and on television. Oh, I see there are 'depiction suggestions' for the
LGBTQ folks. But, they come under 'Mental Health'. How strange.

http://www.eiconline.org/teamup/wp-c...uggestions.pdf


Y'all sure do have a 'thing' for those Lesbian, Gay Trans Gender etc people.
Thinking of signing up?


Would there be something wrong with me 'signing up'?

True North[_2_] May 28th 16 08:12 PM

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Hell no...might do you a world of good to associate more with 'your kind of people.
Y'all sure aren't a boater.

Poquito Loco May 28th 16 08:30 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sat, 28 May 2016 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Hell no...might do you a world of good to associate more with 'your kind of people.
Y'all sure aren't a boater.


Context?

And you're correct. Right now I'm definitely not a boat owner!

Wayne.B May 28th 16 09:00 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sat, 28 May 2016 15:30:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2016 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Hell no...might do you a world of good to associate more with 'your kind of people.
Y'all sure aren't a boater.


Context?

And you're correct. Right now I'm definitely not a boat owner!


===

At least that's fixable. :-)

Poquito Loco May 28th 16 09:37 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sat, 28 May 2016 16:00:22 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2016 15:30:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2016 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Hell no...might do you a world of good to associate more with 'your kind of people.
Y'all sure aren't a boater.


Context?

And you're correct. Right now I'm definitely not a boat owner!


===

At least that's fixable. :-)


LOL!

Alex[_9_] May 29th 16 03:43 AM

Make guns look really bad!
 
Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Hell no...might do you a world of good to associate more with 'your kind of people.
Y'all sure aren't a boater.

Context?

And you're correct. Right now I'm definitely not a boat owner!


I'll bet you had more hours on your last boat than Don's last two combined.

Poquito Loco May 29th 16 11:28 AM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:43:13 -0400, Alex wrote:

Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Hell no...might do you a world of good to associate more with 'your kind of people.
Y'all sure aren't a boater.

Context?

And you're correct. Right now I'm definitely not a boat owner!


I'll bet you had more hours on your last boat than Don's last two combined.


Could be, but the one before that got the most. Trolling for rockfish three times a week, or so,
definitely puts the hours on a boat. But, when my doc asked what I did for exercise, and I mentioned
all the fishing, he just asked, "How far do you walk on water?"

I took up golf in my battle against cholesterol. Golfing and boating like the same kind of weather,
along with motorcycling and airplane flying. Just too little time to do everything!

This time the boat lost. When, and if, we move it'll be a different story.

Justan Olphart[_2_] May 29th 16 11:36 AM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On 5/28/2016 10:43 PM, Alex wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Hell no...might do you a world of good to associate more with 'your
kind of people.
Y'all sure aren't a boater.

Context?

And you're correct. Right now I'm definitely not a boat owner!


I'll bet you had more hours on your last boat than Don's last two combined.


The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats.

True North[_2_] May 29th 16 01:13 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.

Poquito Loco May 29th 16 02:03 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.


Wow. That thing is right up there with the big boys! But be careful:

"Update : Autumn 2010 : We are now aware that an insurer has refused to place a Category C craft on
risk for offshore use in Norway. This is in spite of the fact that the craft a Grand Banks Trawler,
is of a design known to be suitable for offshore passage making. This is the first case to our
knowledge where an insurer has restricted use based on the Design Category. Though not yet a policy
within the industry as a whole it is likely that this will occur over time."

Just think, your 17.5' Bayliner can take the same seas as a Grand Banks Trawler (this one was 34', I
believe), if you believe what you wrote above.

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.

True North[_2_] May 29th 16 02:14 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
Duh!
Offshore use is classified as 'B'

Wayne.B May 29th 16 02:28 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:03:20 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.


Wow. That thing is right up there with the big boys! But be careful:

"Update : Autumn 2010 : We are now aware that an insurer has refused to place a Category C craft on
risk for offshore use in Norway. This is in spite of the fact that the craft a Grand Banks Trawler,
is of a design known to be suitable for offshore passage making. This is the first case to our
knowledge where an insurer has restricted use based on the Design Category. Though not yet a policy
within the industry as a whole it is likely that this will occur over time."

Just think, your 17.5' Bayliner can take the same seas as a Grand Banks Trawler (this one was 34', I
believe), if you believe what you wrote above.

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.


===

I have been in 6 ft seas with a 12 ft inflatable dinghy. It takes a
lot of concentration and each wave has to be negotiated individually,
but it can be done. The most important criteria for waves however is
not height but shape. Unfortunately there's no easy way to measure
shape and put a number on it. The closest I've ever come to capsizing
the dinghy was from the steep, curling wake of a sport fishing boat -
probably no more than 3 ft high but there was something about the
shape that just wanted to flip the boat.

Justan Olphart[_2_] May 29th 16 02:56 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On 5/29/2016 8:13 AM, True North wrote:
StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.

That's a fair price for your wisdom. :-)
When I say Donnie I mean you, not John. Your stupidity never ceases to
amaze me.

Justan Olphart[_2_] May 29th 16 03:00 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On 5/29/2016 9:03 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.


Wow. That thing is right up there with the big boys! But be careful:

"Update : Autumn 2010 : We are now aware that an insurer has refused to place a Category C craft on
risk for offshore use in Norway. This is in spite of the fact that the craft a Grand Banks Trawler,
is of a design known to be suitable for offshore passage making. This is the first case to our
knowledge where an insurer has restricted use based on the Design Category. Though not yet a policy
within the industry as a whole it is likely that this will occur over time."

Just think, your 17.5' Bayliner can take the same seas as a Grand Banks Trawler (this one was 34', I
believe), if you believe what you wrote above.

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.

Taking his boat out in 6.5' 30 second interval swells is pretty risky if
you ask me.

Poquito Loco May 29th 16 03:12 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:28:56 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:03:20 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.


Wow. That thing is right up there with the big boys! But be careful:

"Update : Autumn 2010 : We are now aware that an insurer has refused to place a Category C craft on
risk for offshore use in Norway. This is in spite of the fact that the craft a Grand Banks Trawler,
is of a design known to be suitable for offshore passage making. This is the first case to our
knowledge where an insurer has restricted use based on the Design Category. Though not yet a policy
within the industry as a whole it is likely that this will occur over time."

Just think, your 17.5' Bayliner can take the same seas as a Grand Banks Trawler (this one was 34', I
believe), if you believe what you wrote above.

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.


===

I have been in 6 ft seas with a 12 ft inflatable dinghy. It takes a
lot of concentration and each wave has to be negotiated individually,
but it can be done. The most important criteria for waves however is
not height but shape. Unfortunately there's no easy way to measure
shape and put a number on it. The closest I've ever come to capsizing
the dinghy was from the steep, curling wake of a sport fishing boat -
probably no more than 3 ft high but there was something about the
shape that just wanted to flip the boat.


I'm thinking you may have a tad more experience than our Nova Scotia friend.

Poquito Loco May 29th 16 03:18 PM

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On Sun, 29 May 2016 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Duh!
Offshore use is classified as 'B'


Some more Category C boats:

http://www.ybw.com/boats-for-sale/5617927?currency=GBP

http://www.ybw.com/boats-for-sale/5474159?currency=GBP

http://www.ybw.com/boats-for-sale/5652436?currency=GBP

http://www.ybw.com/boats-for-sale/5615871?currency=GBP

As you can tell, the 'C' category covers a wide range. I wouldn't be too quick to think your boat
had the same capacity or capability as those above.

True North[_2_] May 29th 16 03:44 PM

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Well Johnny, y'all will have to take up your concerns with the people who assign the ratings.
Maybe it depends on the quality of the skipper.

Califbill May 29th 16 04:25 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:03:20 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max
wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.


Wow. That thing is right up there with the big boys! But be careful:

"Update : Autumn 2010 : We are now aware that an insurer has refused to
place a Category C craft on
risk for offshore use in Norway. This is in spite of the fact that the
craft a Grand Banks Trawler,
is of a design known to be suitable for offshore passage making. This is
the first case to our
knowledge where an insurer has restricted use based on the Design
Category. Though not yet a policy
within the industry as a whole it is likely that this will occur over time."

Just think, your 17.5' Bayliner can take the same seas as a Grand Banks
Trawler (this one was 34', I
believe), if you believe what you wrote above.

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a
prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.


===

I have been in 6 ft seas with a 12 ft inflatable dinghy. It takes a
lot of concentration and each wave has to be negotiated individually,
but it can be done. The most important criteria for waves however is
not height but shape. Unfortunately there's no easy way to measure
shape and put a number on it. The closest I've ever come to capsizing
the dinghy was from the steep, curling wake of a sport fishing boat -
probably no more than 3 ft high but there was something about the
shape that just wanted to flip the boat.


We classify seas here by height and period. If they are close, you do not
want to be there. 6' seas at 6 seconds, will kill you. 6' seas at 30
seconds are comfortable.


Poquito Loco May 29th 16 04:27 PM

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On Sun, 29 May 2016 07:44:53 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Well Johnny, y'all will have to take up your concerns with the people who assign the ratings.
Maybe it depends on the quality of the skipper.


My point exactly. You should have no trouble in 30mph winds with 6 1/2' waves.

Wayne.B May 29th 16 08:03 PM

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On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:12:06 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.


===

I have been in 6 ft seas with a 12 ft inflatable dinghy. It takes a
lot of concentration and each wave has to be negotiated individually,
but it can be done. The most important criteria for waves however is
not height but shape. Unfortunately there's no easy way to measure
shape and put a number on it. The closest I've ever come to capsizing
the dinghy was from the steep, curling wake of a sport fishing boat -
probably no more than 3 ft high but there was something about the
shape that just wanted to flip the boat.


I'm thinking you may have a tad more experience than our Nova Scotia friend.


===

I feel a certain kinship towards Don since I have spent a fair amount
of time in smaller boats.

It has been said that good judgement comes from experience, and
experience comes from bad judgement.

Anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger. :-)

Califbill May 29th 16 10:09 PM

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:12:06 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a
prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.

===

I have been in 6 ft seas with a 12 ft inflatable dinghy. It takes a
lot of concentration and each wave has to be negotiated individually,
but it can be done. The most important criteria for waves however is
not height but shape. Unfortunately there's no easy way to measure
shape and put a number on it. The closest I've ever come to capsizing
the dinghy was from the steep, curling wake of a sport fishing boat -
probably no more than 3 ft high but there was something about the
shape that just wanted to flip the boat.


I'm thinking you may have a tad more experience than our Nova Scotia friend.


===

I feel a certain kinship towards Don since I have spent a fair amount
of time in smaller boats.

It has been said that good judgement comes from experience, and
experience comes from bad judgement.

Anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger. :-)


Amen!


Poquito Loco May 29th 16 10:22 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On Sun, 29 May 2016 15:03:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:12:06 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.

===

I have been in 6 ft seas with a 12 ft inflatable dinghy. It takes a
lot of concentration and each wave has to be negotiated individually,
but it can be done. The most important criteria for waves however is
not height but shape. Unfortunately there's no easy way to measure
shape and put a number on it. The closest I've ever come to capsizing
the dinghy was from the steep, curling wake of a sport fishing boat -
probably no more than 3 ft high but there was something about the
shape that just wanted to flip the boat.


I'm thinking you may have a tad more experience than our Nova Scotia friend.


===

I feel a certain kinship towards Don since I have spent a fair amount
of time in smaller boats.

It has been said that good judgement comes from experience, and
experience comes from bad judgement.

Anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger. :-)


Kinship is a good thing. I felt a bit of that, but the name-calling and America bashing tends to
wipe it away.

True North[_2_] May 29th 16 11:20 PM

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Johnny, I think y'all try way too hard to be offended.
Relax and go with the flow.

Alex[_9_] May 30th 16 03:49 AM

Make guns look really bad!
 
True North wrote:
Duh!
Offshore use is classified as 'B'


There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.


Alex[_9_] May 30th 16 03:52 AM

Make guns look really bad!
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:03:20 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.

Wow. That thing is right up there with the big boys! But be careful:

"Update : Autumn 2010 : We are now aware that an insurer has refused to place a Category C craft on
risk for offshore use in Norway. This is in spite of the fact that the craft a Grand Banks Trawler,
is of a design known to be suitable for offshore passage making. This is the first case to our
knowledge where an insurer has restricted use based on the Design Category. Though not yet a policy
within the industry as a whole it is likely that this will occur over time."

Just think, your 17.5' Bayliner can take the same seas as a Grand Banks Trawler (this one was 34', I
believe), if you believe what you wrote above.

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.

===

I have been in 6 ft seas with a 12 ft inflatable dinghy. It takes a
lot of concentration and each wave has to be negotiated individually,
but it can be done. The most important criteria for waves however is
not height but shape. Unfortunately there's no easy way to measure
shape and put a number on it. The closest I've ever come to capsizing
the dinghy was from the steep, curling wake of a sport fishing boat -
probably no more than 3 ft high but there was something about the
shape that just wanted to flip the boat.



RIB's can handle waves much larger than their counterparts made of
fiberglass or aluminum. The Coast Guard uses them extensively and they
put multiple, large outboards behind them!

Alex[_9_] May 30th 16 03:57 AM

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True North wrote:
Well Johnny, y'all will have to take up your concerns with the people who assign the ratings.
Maybe it depends on the quality of the skipper.


Would that really make any sense, Don?

Alex[_9_] May 30th 16 04:00 AM

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True North wrote:
Johnny, I think y'all try way too hard to be offended.
Relax and go with the flow.


This is from the guy who complains about name-calling, instigating,
abetting, etc. repeatedly. You need to be more consistent, Don.

Wayne.B May 30th 16 10:36 AM

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On Sun, 29 May 2016 22:52:21 -0400, Alex wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:03:20 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

StinkyJim farts...

"The kinds of boats he buys are designed for occasional, light duty, in
shore, fair weather, calm seas, fresh water use only. That kind of
limits his opportunities to go boating. Donnie should sell his boat and
buy a share of Harry's canoe if he's so worried about his perceived
requirement of boat ownership to be allowed to post on rec.boats."

Not sure if you're talking about The John or me....
My boat is classified as a 'C' on the International Capacity scale.
That means it's classified as inshore maximum wind of 31mph and max wave height of 6.5 feet
Boat use is limited to coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers

There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.
Wow. That thing is right up there with the big boys! But be careful:

"Update : Autumn 2010 : We are now aware that an insurer has refused to place a Category C craft on
risk for offshore use in Norway. This is in spite of the fact that the craft a Grand Banks Trawler,
is of a design known to be suitable for offshore passage making. This is the first case to our
knowledge where an insurer has restricted use based on the Design Category. Though not yet a policy
within the industry as a whole it is likely that this will occur over time."

Just think, your 17.5' Bayliner can take the same seas as a Grand Banks Trawler (this one was 34', I
believe), if you believe what you wrote above.

Some advice: If you get anywhere near six foot waves, you'd best say a prayer and hope your life
jacket works. Hopefully you don't believe what you wrote above.

===

I have been in 6 ft seas with a 12 ft inflatable dinghy. It takes a
lot of concentration and each wave has to be negotiated individually,
but it can be done. The most important criteria for waves however is
not height but shape. Unfortunately there's no easy way to measure
shape and put a number on it. The closest I've ever come to capsizing
the dinghy was from the steep, curling wake of a sport fishing boat -
probably no more than 3 ft high but there was something about the
shape that just wanted to flip the boat.



RIB's can handle waves much larger than their counterparts made of
fiberglass or aluminum. The Coast Guard uses them extensively and they
put multiple, large outboards behind them!


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Interestingly enough most of the Coast Guard boats are not actually
RIBs, they just look that way. It's like they took RIB tubes and
molded a solid boat around them. I don't know what the actual
material is but I think the bottoms are aluminum.

Justan Olphart[_2_] May 30th 16 12:03 PM

Make guns look really bad!
 
On 5/29/2016 10:49 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
Duh!
Offshore use is classified as 'B'


There you go...now you've been educated at no charge.

The safest place for Donnie's boat is on shore under a tarp.


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