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On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:30:03 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:57:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I met and dealt with hundreds if not thousands of people during my
working career. They typically ranged from entry level tradespeople to
scientists and/or management personal with multiple Phd's. I don't
think I ever met anyone as narrow and shallow minded as you present
yourself here Harry. "Critical thinking" is not your forte, as
evidenced by your comments to any discussion here.

Millions of people in the world, including many posters to rec.boats,
have or had highly successful careers, accomplishments and made
contributions to society without benefit of what you regard as a "formal
higher education". Based on what I have deduced from your contributions
here, many are far more educated in meaningful ways than the high regard
you hold for yourself.

The only people I've met who think and sound like you are those who
chose (or were forced) to remain in academia for all their working
years. Yes, they have an abundance of knowledge, but most of it useless
in the real world.


Poor life choices and poor employment choices has Harry still out
there grinding out a meager existence while most of us his age are
comfortably retired. He will die working for someone else.
He rationalizes it every morning when his alarm clock goes off by
saying he likes it. Who "likes" a 2+ hour commute, even if the job is
tolerable?


I like my engineering jobs. But retired when the last employer screwed up,
and pretty much folded. Looking at a 1.5 hour morning and evening commute
decided the retirement.

I left when IBM offered me a job over on that gold coast Harry is so
fond of (Miami Ft Lauderdale). They even offered to move me. (buy my
house and pay moving/living expenses) No thanks. The counter was I
could do that 4-5 hour "commute" on the clock and get paid expenses if
I stayed over. Again, no thanks.
I waited an extra year to get the west coast when I transferred here
from DC and I had no interest in being there 15 years later.
The idiot I was working for said I did not have a choice. I pointed
out I was eligible for full retirement in 8 days and I had my
inspector's license. I didn't bother to say I had already signed a
contract with the state but it was fun playing along. The guys in the
office talked me into staying another month to make a reasonable
transition but I did it for them, not IBM

Excellent read! Unreal policy!
 

On Wed, 11 May 2016 12:47:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 5/11/16 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:07:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 5/11/16 2:11 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 21:27:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


It's not my problem that you were so ignorant of what was happening and
going to happen in SE Asia. It isn't because you grew up in the midwest,
because there was plenty of news available there and nationally about
the horrors of the Vietnamese government we were propping up. Basically,
you "dumbed" your way into that war. Couldn't you get into an open
admissions JUCO?

I suppose you could just say LBJ lied us into that war but you would
be defaming a famous democrat.
In 1964 when I signed my commitment for the CG, this is what he was
saying
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/johnson%20vietnam%20lie.mp3

The fear of joining the army at that time was you would be stuck in Ft
Dix, painting rocks white outside the officer's club for 2 years. I
wanted something more interesting.
I was hoping for a Florida life boat station.


Translating that into "Greg-Think," you joined the coast guard so you
could avoid the army and the risk of being sent to Vietnam as rifle
fodder. So...you were a draft dodger.

That is not right at all. Remember, LBJ just told us he was not going
to send American boys off to war. It was the days of the "Elvis and
Sgt Bilko" army.
I tried to go to Vietnam twice on 1965. (Navy PBRs and GC 83 footers)
Both times the request was denied.


Why did you want to go to Vietnam? Do you think the North Vietnamese
posed any threat to the United States? Did you want to prop up the
dictatorship in South Vietnam? Were you hoping to shag Jane Fonda? (I
would have if I had had the opportunity.)

All I can say is "18 year old testosterone"
I had several friends there.
The idea of blasting up some little river on a PBR just seemed like
something that I wanted to do.
(the "Apocalypse Now" boat for the uninitiated)

Excellent read! Unreal policy!
 

On Wed, 11 May 2016 12:48:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 5/11/16 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

You are living proof that one cannot overstate the amount of ignorance
and stupidity in rec.boats. History is full of martyrs who died for a
cause and some of those deaths resulted in real, positive change for
mankind.


So you love those suicide martyrs.


You really are ignorant and stupid, aren't you?

You are the one who brought up suicide martyrs.
It could easily be pointed out that the jihadists are more successful
than the monks were

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On Wed, 11 May 2016 13:08:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

But no comment from you regarding the "Yeah, **** your country, duck the
draft and get a jingle writing job," eh?

Real critical thinking. D'uh.


I said "many". "Many" doesn't mean "all".

After hearing the implication that I am an uneducated moron often
enough, I do tend to lash out. That is particularly true when it is
coming from someone who is living on the margins of success.
Somehow hearing a guy in his 70s saying he enjoys standing in the rain
waiting for a bus is rewarding, defies logic.

Excellent read! Unreal policy!
 

On 5/11/2016 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:57:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I met and dealt with hundreds if not thousands of people during my
working career. They typically ranged from entry level tradespeople to
scientists and/or management personal with multiple Phd's. I don't
think I ever met anyone as narrow and shallow minded as you present
yourself here Harry. "Critical thinking" is not your forte, as
evidenced by your comments to any discussion here.

Millions of people in the world, including many posters to rec.boats,
have or had highly successful careers, accomplishments and made
contributions to society without benefit of what you regard as a "formal
higher education". Based on what I have deduced from your contributions
here, many are far more educated in meaningful ways than the high regard
you hold for yourself.

The only people I've met who think and sound like you are those who
chose (or were forced) to remain in academia for all their working
years. Yes, they have an abundance of knowledge, but most of it useless
in the real world.


Poor life choices and poor employment choices has Harry still out
there grinding out a meager existence while most of us his age are
comfortably retired. He will die working for someone else.
He rationalizes it every morning when his alarm clock goes off by
saying he likes it. Who "likes" a 2+ hour commute, even if the job is
tolerable?


I like my engineering jobs. But retired when the last employer screwed up,
and pretty much folded. Looking at a 1.5 hour morning and evening commute
decided the retirement.


The last full time "job" I had was running the
engineering/manufacturering company I had. It was rewarding in the
sense that I was able to control the culture of the company and
established many mutually beneficial relationships with some major
companies. But once the company grew to almost 100 people I found it to
be less and less enjoyable. Plus, company to company relationships and
ways of doing business was changing. Previously our real "customer" was
usually a seasoned and experienced project manager in a company who was
also a technologist. As the business world changed I found myself
dealing more and more with bean counters who didn't have a clue what was
being designed and built. After 12 years of it, I had pretty much had
enough.

Excellent read! Unreal policy!
 

On 5/11/2016 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 12:47:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 5/11/16 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:07:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 5/11/16 2:11 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 21:27:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


It's not my problem that you were so ignorant of what was happening and
going to happen in SE Asia. It isn't because you grew up in the midwest,
because there was plenty of news available there and nationally about
the horrors of the Vietnamese government we were propping up. Basically,
you "dumbed" your way into that war. Couldn't you get into an open
admissions JUCO?

I suppose you could just say LBJ lied us into that war but you would
be defaming a famous democrat.
In 1964 when I signed my commitment for the CG, this is what he was
saying
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/johnson%20vietnam%20lie.mp3

The fear of joining the army at that time was you would be stuck in Ft
Dix, painting rocks white outside the officer's club for 2 years. I
wanted something more interesting.
I was hoping for a Florida life boat station.


Translating that into "Greg-Think," you joined the coast guard so you
could avoid the army and the risk of being sent to Vietnam as rifle
fodder. So...you were a draft dodger.

That is not right at all. Remember, LBJ just told us he was not going
to send American boys off to war. It was the days of the "Elvis and
Sgt Bilko" army.
I tried to go to Vietnam twice on 1965. (Navy PBRs and GC 83 footers)
Both times the request was denied.


Why did you want to go to Vietnam? Do you think the North Vietnamese
posed any threat to the United States? Did you want to prop up the
dictatorship in South Vietnam? Were you hoping to shag Jane Fonda? (I
would have if I had had the opportunity.)

All I can say is "18 year old testosterone"
I had several friends there.
The idea of blasting up some little river on a PBR just seemed like
something that I wanted to do.
(the "Apocalypse Now" boat for the uninitiated)



Plus, for some of us, military service to your country was an honorable
thing to do based on our upbringing.

I always had it in my head that I would serve at least two years in the
military since I was about 14 years old. It was based purely on a sense
of patriotism, pride to be an American and a feeling that a couple of
years dedicated to the country wasn't much to ask of anyone. Ended up
doing nine years active and 2 more in the reserves. No regrets
whatsoever and proud to be one of the other "1 percenters".

Excellent read! Unreal policy!
 

On 5/11/2016 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 13:08:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

But no comment from you regarding the "Yeah, **** your country, duck the
draft and get a jingle writing job," eh?

Real critical thinking. D'uh.


I said "many". "Many" doesn't mean "all".

After hearing the implication that I am an uneducated moron often
enough, I do tend to lash out. That is particularly true when it is
coming from someone who is living on the margins of success.
Somehow hearing a guy in his 70s saying he enjoys standing in the rain
waiting for a bus is rewarding, defies logic.


Yeah, my comment wasn't intended to be derogatory of you. I have a lot
of respect for what you've accomplished in your life. I was just
trying to avoid a Harry trap.

Excellent read! Unreal policy!
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/11/2016 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 13:08:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

But no comment from you regarding the "Yeah, **** your country, duck the
draft and get a jingle writing job," eh?

Real critical thinking. D'uh.


I said "many". "Many" doesn't mean "all".

After hearing the implication that I am an uneducated moron often
enough, I do tend to lash out. That is particularly true when it is
coming from someone who is living on the margins of success.
Somehow hearing a guy in his 70s saying he enjoys standing in the rain
waiting for a bus is rewarding, defies logic.


Yeah, my comment wasn't intended to be derogatory of you. I have a lot
of respect for what you've accomplished in your life. I was just
trying to avoid a Harry trap.




Who is standing in the rain waiting for a bus?

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Excellent read! Unreal policy!
 

On Wed, 11 May 2016 13:27:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/11/2016 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:57:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I met and dealt with hundreds if not thousands of people during my
working career. They typically ranged from entry level tradespeople to
scientists and/or management personal with multiple Phd's. I don't
think I ever met anyone as narrow and shallow minded as you present
yourself here Harry. "Critical thinking" is not your forte, as
evidenced by your comments to any discussion here.

Millions of people in the world, including many posters to rec.boats,
have or had highly successful careers, accomplishments and made
contributions to society without benefit of what you regard as a "formal
higher education". Based on what I have deduced from your contributions
here, many are far more educated in meaningful ways than the high regard
you hold for yourself.

The only people I've met who think and sound like you are those who
chose (or were forced) to remain in academia for all their working
years. Yes, they have an abundance of knowledge, but most of it useless
in the real world.


Poor life choices and poor employment choices has Harry still out
there grinding out a meager existence while most of us his age are
comfortably retired. He will die working for someone else.
He rationalizes it every morning when his alarm clock goes off by
saying he likes it. Who "likes" a 2+ hour commute, even if the job is
tolerable?


I like my engineering jobs. But retired when the last employer screwed up,
and pretty much folded. Looking at a 1.5 hour morning and evening commute
decided the retirement.


The last full time "job" I had was running the
engineering/manufacturering company I had. It was rewarding in the
sense that I was able to control the culture of the company and
established many mutually beneficial relationships with some major
companies. But once the company grew to almost 100 people I found it to
be less and less enjoyable. Plus, company to company relationships and
ways of doing business was changing. Previously our real "customer" was
usually a seasoned and experienced project manager in a company who was
also a technologist. As the business world changed I found myself
dealing more and more with bean counters who didn't have a clue what was
being designed and built. After 12 years of it, I had pretty much had
enough.

You sound like my Dutch neighbor Henk.
He has similar stories and that was in Europe.

Excellent read! Unreal policy!
 

On Wed, 11 May 2016 13:49:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/11/2016 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 13:08:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

But no comment from you regarding the "Yeah, **** your country, duck the
draft and get a jingle writing job," eh?

Real critical thinking. D'uh.


I said "many". "Many" doesn't mean "all".

After hearing the implication that I am an uneducated moron often
enough, I do tend to lash out. That is particularly true when it is
coming from someone who is living on the margins of success.
Somehow hearing a guy in his 70s saying he enjoys standing in the rain
waiting for a bus is rewarding, defies logic.


Yeah, my comment wasn't intended to be derogatory of you. I have a lot
of respect for what you've accomplished in your life. I was just
trying to avoid a Harry trap.




Who is standing in the rain waiting for a bus?

I suppose it never rains in DC. It certainly did when I was there ...
standing in the rain waiting for the bus.