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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:28:17 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 3/23/16 11:17 PM, wrote: That is not pragmatic, it is simply pulling the rooster. If you can rationalize Hillary and Bernie, it is clear you are not doing anything but following the party line or you do not really understand who they are. In the most fundamental issues, they are polar opposites I'm not "rationalizing" anything. I don't have any serious issues with Hillary as president. I could accept Bernie, though I doubt he would be effective. The two leading Republican alternatives, Trump and Cruz, are unacceptable for reasons listed here and elsewhere many times. I do not disagree about Trump and Cruz but I find Hillary and Bernie just as unacceptable for different reasons. Voting for the Libertarian is, basically, giving up. Maybe but my conscience will be clear. BTW I bet they said the same thing about voting for the republican 156 years ago. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:22:48 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:42:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I'm a pragmatic voter and would gladly accept either of the Democratic candidates as POTUS. The Republican alternatives are unaccepable. That is not pragmatic, it is simply pulling the rooster. If you can rationalize Hillary and Bernie, it is clear you are not doing anything but following the party line or you do not really understand who they are. In the most fundamental issues, they are polar opposites Then he isn't following the party line, or has different "fundamentals" than do you. He definitely just follows the party line. If you are as much against the big corporations, wars and income equality as Harry professes to be, you are a Bernie person. If you just want another 4 years of the Bush administration you are a Hillary person, yet Harry can go for either with equal fervor. Pretty sure Harry can distinguish Democrat from Republican, while you apparently can't. I am not convinced there is a real difference unless you are talking about Bernie and he is actually an independent who is just piggy backing on the democrats because the Greens will usually only get on 80% of the ballots and the Socialism & Liberation party is lucky to get 30%. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... He definitely just follows the party line. If you are as much against the big corporations, wars and income equality as Harry professes to be, you are a Bernie person. If you just want another 4 years of the Bush administration you are a Hillary person, yet Harry can go for either with equal fervor. Both HRC and Bernie are worlds apart from the GOP. Excepting the bull**** from Trump, who is all bull****. Social Security. Medicare. Heath care. Minimum wage. Taxation. Justice. Supreme Court. Gun control. Gay rights. "Free trade." Unionization. Wall Street regulation. Religious freedom. No doubt I forgot some. HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Pretty sure Harry can distinguish Democrat from Republican, while you apparently can't. I am not convinced there is a real difference unless you are talking about Bernie and he is actually an independent who is just piggy backing on the democrats because the Greens will usually only get on 80% of the ballots and the Socialism & Liberation party is lucky to get 30%. See above. While impressing us with your knowledge, remember how wrong you were about ISIS. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 4:11:35 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/24/16 5:06 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... He definitely just follows the party line. If you are as much against the big corporations, wars and income equality as Harry professes to be, you are a Bernie person. If you just want another 4 years of the Bush administration you are a Hillary person, yet Harry can go for either with equal fervor. Both HRC and Bernie are worlds apart from the GOP. Excepting the bull**** from Trump, who is all bull****. Social Security. Medicare. Heath care. Minimum wage. Taxation. Justice. Supreme Court. Gun control. Gay rights. "Free trade." Unionization. Wall Street regulation. Religious freedom. No doubt I forgot some. HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Pretty sure Harry can distinguish Democrat from Republican, while you apparently can't. I am not convinced there is a real difference unless you are talking about Bernie and he is actually an independent who is just piggy backing on the democrats because the Greens will usually only get on 80% of the ballots and the Socialism & Liberation party is lucky to get 30%. See above. While impressing us with your knowledge, remember how wrong you were about ISIS. -- Herring plans to vote for Trump if Trump is the Republican nominee. :) You'll vote for Sanders if he's the Democratic nominee, so... |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. It is no mystery why she will not tell us what she was telling the Wall Street firms in those 6 figure talks. The Clintons could not be more different than Bernie. Bill was the one who oversaw the destruction of the New Deal bank regulation and pimped for CFMA that caused the 2007 crash, Hillary was on the board of Walmart when they stopped being "America's store" and became the Chinese outlet mall. She voted for the Iraq war and is basically John McCain in a pants suit. If you don't like her politics, wait a minute. She will say she is something different, essentially a lying sack of ****. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:27:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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On 3/24/16 6:27 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 4:11:35 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/16 5:06 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... He definitely just follows the party line. If you are as much against the big corporations, wars and income equality as Harry professes to be, you are a Bernie person. If you just want another 4 years of the Bush administration you are a Hillary person, yet Harry can go for either with equal fervor. Both HRC and Bernie are worlds apart from the GOP. Excepting the bull**** from Trump, who is all bull****. Social Security. Medicare. Heath care. Minimum wage. Taxation. Justice. Supreme Court. Gun control. Gay rights. "Free trade." Unionization. Wall Street regulation. Religious freedom. No doubt I forgot some. HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Pretty sure Harry can distinguish Democrat from Republican, while you apparently can't. I am not convinced there is a real difference unless you are talking about Bernie and he is actually an independent who is just piggy backing on the democrats because the Greens will usually only get on 80% of the ballots and the Socialism & Liberation party is lucky to get 30%. See above. While impressing us with your knowledge, remember how wrong you were about ISIS. -- Herring plans to vote for Trump if Trump is the Republican nominee. :) You'll vote for Sanders if he's the Democratic nominee, so... Bernie Sanders is a pretty decent guy, but if he were elected, he'd had a difficult time getting his core principles and ideas passed, but...Trump is not a decent guy, he's proven time and again he knows next to nothing about government, foreign policy, defense, et cetera, and he's brimming over with hate towards all manner of groups and individuals. Come to think of it, no wonder he appeals to Herring...they're turds of a feather. And Cruz, if it is possible, is worse. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:00:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 3/24/16 6:50 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. Awwww. So, you won't be voting for the presidential candidates of either major party this fall in Florida. That's good...one less vote for Trump/Cruz/et al. I encourage you to help your Republican friends make the same decision...stay home and sit on your hands. I suspect the Bernie voters may do the same. He is doing a great job of convincing them that Hillary is sleazy, in bed with Wall Street and a war monger. Anyone running against her, only needs to run Bernie's ads. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:00:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/16 6:50 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. Awwww. So, you won't be voting for the presidential candidates of either major party this fall in Florida. That's good...one less vote for Trump/Cruz/et al. I encourage you to help your Republican friends make the same decision...stay home and sit on your hands. I suspect the Bernie voters may do the same. He is doing a great job of convincing them that Hillary is sleazy, in bed with Wall Street and a war monger. Anyone running against her, only needs to run Bernie's ads. A trump or Cruz candidacy will bring out Bernie voters for Hillary. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On 3/24/16 7:36 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. It is no mystery why she will not tell us what she was telling the Wall Street firms in those 6 figure talks. The Clintons could not be more different than Bernie. Bill was the one who oversaw the destruction of the New Deal bank regulation and pimped for CFMA that caused the 2007 crash, Hillary was on the board of Walmart when they stopped being "America's store" and became the Chinese outlet mall. She voted for the Iraq war and is basically John McCain in a pants suit. If you don't like her politics, wait a minute. She will say she is something different, essentially a lying sack of ****. So you have have your fantasies. What difference does it make? Your clipping of the real differences between Dems and GOP is noted. Your apparent inability to recognize those was the reason I posted in this thread. It wasn't to engage in ****-slinging. BTW, you really sound like a Bernie Sanders clone. Got all his talking points down pat. Fretwell likes to whine about politics, but, since he votes Libertarian in national elections for candidates with no hope of winning. he's really not a participant. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:20:59 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:00:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/16 6:50 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. Awwww. So, you won't be voting for the presidential candidates of either major party this fall in Florida. That's good...one less vote for Trump/Cruz/et al. I encourage you to help your Republican friends make the same decision...stay home and sit on your hands. I suspect the Bernie voters may do the same. He is doing a great job of convincing them that Hillary is sleazy, in bed with Wall Street and a war monger. Anyone running against her, only needs to run Bernie's ads. A trump or Cruz candidacy will bring out Bernie voters for Hillary. Bernie has the young who have a horrible reputation for being too busy to vote, particularly if they are uninspired by the candidate. I don't think Hillary is that inspiring to young people. It is just the same old crap they hear from the people they do not trust. Kanye West has a better chance of bringing them out than Hillary |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 18:36:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. It is no mystery why she will not tell us what she was telling the Wall Street firms in those 6 figure talks. The Clintons could not be more different than Bernie. Bill was the one who oversaw the destruction of the New Deal bank regulation and pimped for CFMA that caused the 2007 crash, Hillary was on the board of Walmart when they stopped being "America's store" and became the Chinese outlet mall. She voted for the Iraq war and is basically John McCain in a pants suit. If you don't like her politics, wait a minute. She will say she is something different, essentially a lying sack of ****. So you have have your fantasies. What difference does it make? Your clipping of the real differences between Dems and GOP is noted. Your apparent inability to recognize those was the reason I posted in this thread. It wasn't to engage in ****-slinging. BTW, you really sound like a Bernie Sanders clone. Got all his talking points down pat. I never said I did not believe Bernie. My problem with him is his idea of the economy is naive to be generous and communist if you want to be harsh. You have to suspend reality to take it seriously. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:46:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 3/24/16 7:36 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. It is no mystery why she will not tell us what she was telling the Wall Street firms in those 6 figure talks. The Clintons could not be more different than Bernie. Bill was the one who oversaw the destruction of the New Deal bank regulation and pimped for CFMA that caused the 2007 crash, Hillary was on the board of Walmart when they stopped being "America's store" and became the Chinese outlet mall. She voted for the Iraq war and is basically John McCain in a pants suit. If you don't like her politics, wait a minute. She will say she is something different, essentially a lying sack of ****. So you have have your fantasies. What difference does it make? Your clipping of the real differences between Dems and GOP is noted. Your apparent inability to recognize those was the reason I posted in this thread. It wasn't to engage in ****-slinging. BTW, you really sound like a Bernie Sanders clone. Got all his talking points down pat. Fretwell likes to whine about politics, but, since he votes Libertarian in national elections for candidates with no hope of winning. he's really not a participant. Voting for a party blindly without questioning the candidate is not participating, it is just being a lemming jumping over the cliff because everyone else is doing it. Anyone who actually believes in Bernie, could not possibly believe in Hillary. She is exactly what he is railing against. I am someone who believes nothing will ever get better if we just keep going along to get along. That is witnessed by the fact that we will have the 5th Bush administration if we just hold our nose and choke Hillary down. Someone has to say no. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 17:11:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/24/16 5:06 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... He definitely just follows the party line. If you are as much against the big corporations, wars and income equality as Harry professes to be, you are a Bernie person. If you just want another 4 years of the Bush administration you are a Hillary person, yet Harry can go for either with equal fervor. Both HRC and Bernie are worlds apart from the GOP. Excepting the bull**** from Trump, who is all bull****. Social Security. Medicare. Heath care. Minimum wage. Taxation. Justice. Supreme Court. Gun control. Gay rights. "Free trade." Unionization. Wall Street regulation. Religious freedom. No doubt I forgot some. HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Pretty sure Harry can distinguish Democrat from Republican, while you apparently can't. I am not convinced there is a real difference unless you are talking about Bernie and he is actually an independent who is just piggy backing on the democrats because the Greens will usually only get on 80% of the ballots and the Socialism & Liberation party is lucky to get 30%. See above. While impressing us with your knowledge, remember how wrong you were about ISIS. -- Herring plans to vote for Trump if Trump is the Republican nominee. :) That's a true statement. One of the few you've made on rec.boats. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 3/25/16 6:59 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 17:11:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Herring plans to vote for Trump if Trump is the Republican nominee. :) That's a true statement. One of the few you've made on rec.boats. -- B Well, of course...you and Trump are racists, xenophobes, anti-immigrant, haters of those with different ethnicity, and have no understanding of any of the significant issues facing our nation or this world. You and Trump are made for each other. |
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On 3/24/16 10:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:46:37 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/16 7:36 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. It is no mystery why she will not tell us what she was telling the Wall Street firms in those 6 figure talks. The Clintons could not be more different than Bernie. Bill was the one who oversaw the destruction of the New Deal bank regulation and pimped for CFMA that caused the 2007 crash, Hillary was on the board of Walmart when they stopped being "America's store" and became the Chinese outlet mall. She voted for the Iraq war and is basically John McCain in a pants suit. If you don't like her politics, wait a minute. She will say she is something different, essentially a lying sack of ****. So you have have your fantasies. What difference does it make? Your clipping of the real differences between Dems and GOP is noted. Your apparent inability to recognize those was the reason I posted in this thread. It wasn't to engage in ****-slinging. BTW, you really sound like a Bernie Sanders clone. Got all his talking points down pat. Fretwell likes to whine about politics, but, since he votes Libertarian in national elections for candidates with no hope of winning. he's really not a participant. Voting for a party blindly without questioning the candidate is not participating, it is just being a lemming jumping over the cliff because everyone else is doing it. Anyone who actually believes in Bernie, could not possibly believe in Hillary. She is exactly what he is railing against. You apparently are oblivious to the differences between the Dems and the Repugnants. |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 10:02:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 3/24/16 10:15 PM, wrote: Voting for a party blindly without questioning the candidate is not participating, it is just being a lemming jumping over the cliff because everyone else is doing it. Anyone who actually believes in Bernie, could not possibly believe in Hillary. She is exactly what he is railing against. You apparently are oblivious to the differences between the Dems and the Repugnants. Of course I know, Guns, Gays and Abortion. The differences start getting blurry after that, particularly when you are talking about the neocon democrats. |
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On 3/25/16 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 10:02:03 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/16 10:15 PM, wrote: Voting for a party blindly without questioning the candidate is not participating, it is just being a lemming jumping over the cliff because everyone else is doing it. Anyone who actually believes in Bernie, could not possibly believe in Hillary. She is exactly what he is railing against. You apparently are oblivious to the differences between the Dems and the Repugnants. Of course I know, Guns, Gays and Abortion. The differences start getting blurry after that, particularly when you are talking about the neocon democrats. Well, I suppose that will suffice as the simpleton's delineation. I suspect Hillary will have to turn in her neocon membership card soon. |
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On 3/24/16 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:20:59 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:00:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/16 6:50 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:59:00 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: HRC has been pulled a little left by Bernie. Big deal. You'd have to be a fool to not see the differences between the Dems and the GOP. Hillary is political goo that assumes the shape of what ever she oozes over. Awwww. So, you won't be voting for the presidential candidates of either major party this fall in Florida. That's good...one less vote for Trump/Cruz/et al. I encourage you to help your Republican friends make the same decision...stay home and sit on your hands. I suspect the Bernie voters may do the same. He is doing a great job of convincing them that Hillary is sleazy, in bed with Wall Street and a war monger. Anyone running against her, only needs to run Bernie's ads. A trump or Cruz candidacy will bring out Bernie voters for Hillary. Bernie has the young who have a horrible reputation for being too busy to vote, particularly if they are uninspired by the candidate. I don't think Hillary is that inspiring to young people. It is just the same old crap they hear from the people they do not trust. Kanye West has a better chance of bringing them out than Hillary I didn't say "the young," or identify any other group within Bernie's followers. Bernie appeals to many different groups, including those who will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 10:44:59 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 3/25/16 10:29 AM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 10:02:03 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/16 10:15 PM, wrote: Voting for a party blindly without questioning the candidate is not participating, it is just being a lemming jumping over the cliff because everyone else is doing it. Anyone who actually believes in Bernie, could not possibly believe in Hillary. She is exactly what he is railing against. You apparently are oblivious to the differences between the Dems and the Repugnants. Of course I know, Guns, Gays and Abortion. The differences start getting blurry after that, particularly when you are talking about the neocon democrats. Well, I suppose that will suffice as the simpleton's delineation. I suspect Hillary will have to turn in her neocon membership card soon. Hillary has such flexible morals and convictions that nothing would surprise me but abandoning her neocon roots is very unlikely. Like I said she conforms to whatever surface she oozes over. American politicians still bow down to AIPAC far more than is in our national interest, as was demonstrated last week. It is the main driver of our mid east policy. Hillary leads that charge on the democrat side, along with the California and New York delegation. |
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