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My favorite Telarc CD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI
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My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:36:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz That is why most records made in the 60s and earlier sound like they do. They were mixed to play on the radio. It wasn't until "hi fi" LPs came around that you started getting decent sound. Even those got "remastered" for CDs. When you play old tunes on a good system that limitation becomes immediately apparent. I doubt the original source material even exists to remaster them in a lot of cases. I suppose they can try to expand the sound digitally but it will just be a guess about what it was supposed to be. |
My favorite Telarc CD
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My favorite Telarc CD
On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 12:36:09 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. While the channel separation (bandwidth) of FM is 200khz, it is used for several signals. The resulting audio bandwidth is 15khz. It's really unfortunate that the US adopted the stereo FM system it did. While it maintained compatibility with the mono FM receivers of the day, it severely limited the performance of the FM stereo signal. We're still suffering with it today. Oh, and there are scores of SACD players on the market now. And while some have the analog outputs you describe, most of the modern players are also Blu-ray, and transport the audio via HDMI. It then depends on your AV receiver to decode and route the audio to the discrete channels. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. |
My favorite Telarc CD
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My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:36:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). Actually, I made a mistake. I should have said the one below was my favorite CD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cseIRp9t5UE This is the one I've got, thank God, and it plays very well on my Bose stuff. It came out, I believe, in 1980. Probably before SACD was invented. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. This one will probably sound much better on our systems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cseIRp9t5UE -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/17/2016 3:21 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/17/2016 1:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:36:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz That is why most records made in the 60s and earlier sound like they do. They were mixed to play on the radio. It wasn't until "hi fi" LPs came around that you started getting decent sound. Even those got "remastered" for CDs. When you play old tunes on a good system that limitation becomes immediately apparent. I doubt the original source material even exists to remaster them in a lot of cases. I suppose they can try to expand the sound digitally but it will just be a guess about what it was supposed to be. I don't think the old recordings were purposely mixed to play on the radio. High quality recordings were being made in the 30's and 40's. They just don't sound very good on AM. Also .. that 10Khz bandwidth is really only 5Khz available for audio modulation. The 10Khz is the total of what the allocated spectrum is above and below the carrier frequency. So, you are only hearing up to 5Khz. Amplitude modulation AM is "amplitude modulation" however what I was referring to is what the "modulation" is. AM has a 5khz band for audio, 5Khz on each side of the carrier freq for a total of 10Khz. For example: WBZ in Boston transmits on a carrier frequency of 1030Khz. If they modulate that carrier with a 1hz test tone (audio) the frequencies received by the AM radio are 1031Khz and 1029Khz. In the old days the 1029Khz would be discarded but I think they use that side of the carrier freq for station ID info and attempts at AM stereo. The AM receiver has a "beat frequency oscillator" which is tuned to the carrier freq of 1030Khz. The oscillator freq (1030Khz) and the received transmitted freq (with the test tone) are "beat" together in a superheterodyne circuit which yields the original freqs, the sum of the freqs and the difference between the freqs. The difference is what is used, being the 1Khz tone which is sent to the amplifier section and then to the speaker. But, the maximum *audio* modulation can only be 5Khz. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/17/2016 1:45 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 12:36:09 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. While the channel separation (bandwidth) of FM is 200khz, it is used for several signals. The resulting audio bandwidth is 15khz. True. But 15Khz is still a hell of a lot better than 5Khz for music, etc. It's really unfortunate that the US adopted the stereo FM system it did. While it maintained compatibility with the mono FM receivers of the day, it severely limited the performance of the FM stereo signal. We're still suffering with it today. Oh, and there are scores of SACD players on the market now. And while some have the analog outputs you describe, most of the modern players are also Blu-ray, and transport the audio via HDMI. It then depends on your AV receiver to decode and route the audio to the discrete channels. I didn't realize that. You're right. When I first got into SACD Sony was the only game in town because they developed it. I'd still like to compare hard wired, 6 channel discrete audio connections to multiplexed, digital connections however. I suppose if the sampling rate is high enough for the digital connection there may not be a noticeable difference. I'd have to be convinced though, being an old fashioned analog kinda guy. :-) |
My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/17/2016 2:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. A lot of issues there Harry. One is the sound system itself, it's positioning and how much of a sound stage it can create without benefit of creative mixing and recording. Also, I really do not care for surround sound where the rear or side speakers are producing an unnatural sound stage. You don't sit in the middle of a band or orchestra when listening to music. The better recordings will capture the subtle reflections of sound from the rear, and the audio system needs to be adjusted and set up so they are not exaggerated. I like simple, 2 channel stereo with well recorded music. A dipole speaker design ... like your maggies or the Martin Logans I had work well to produce a sound stage *if* you have them positioned properly. So will the old Bose 901's when properly set up. BTW, the sound stage can be 3 dimensional when set up well. Not just left to right, but fore and aft as well. A well set up system will create a sound illusion that "places the instruments or vocals. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/17/16 5:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. If it sounds good to me, I'm happy with it. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/17/16 6:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have some "M-Audio" speakers hooked up to my imac. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studio.../dp/B000MUXJCO They sound pretty good. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:28:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/17/16 6:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have some "M-Audio" speakers hooked up to my imac. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studio.../dp/B000MUXJCO They sound pretty good. Thanks, I'll look into them. Do they get enough bass without a subwoofer? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:28:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 6:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have some "M-Audio" speakers hooked up to my imac. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studio.../dp/B000MUXJCO They sound pretty good. Thanks, I'll look into them. Do they get enough bass without a subwoofer? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! It's subjective. I think they do. Your mileage will vary. If you order from anazon returns are easy -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/17/2016 6:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/17/16 5:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. If it sounds good to me, I'm happy with it. Same with me. I used to be driven to try to achieve the cleanest, most accurate sound I could but over the years it just doesn't get me excited anymore. There's an often unnoticed equalization that takes place in what we think we hear. We can listen to a song that we know well on one inch computer speakers and our brain will put in what the speakers can't produce. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:28:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/17/16 6:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have some "M-Audio" speakers hooked up to my imac. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studio.../dp/B000MUXJCO They sound pretty good. Funny, if you scroll down to see the current version, they're cheaper than the previous version you have. I wonder what the differences are. The reviews for both seem pretty good. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 5:01:50 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2016 2:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. A lot of issues there Harry. One is the sound system itself, it's positioning and how much of a sound stage it can create without benefit of creative mixing and recording. Also, I really do not care for surround sound where the rear or side speakers are producing an unnatural sound stage. You don't sit in the middle of a band or orchestra when listening to music. The better recordings will capture the subtle reflections of sound from the rear, and the audio system needs to be adjusted and set up so they are not exaggerated. It's just simple-minded to think that more accurate recordings are "over engineered". They are just more likely to expose the shortcomings of the equipment you are listening to them on, and your ears are fooling you even more to think what you've been hearing in the past is somehow better. I like simple, 2 channel stereo with well recorded music. A dipole speaker design ... like your maggies or the Martin Logans I had work well to produce a sound stage *if* you have them positioned properly. So will the old Bose 901's when properly set up. I have to depart from you there. Bose 901s (or any of the Bose stuff) suffers from the "Bose" sound... highly tweaked and compensated. Not a fan at all. BTW, the sound stage can be 3 dimensional when set up well. Not just left to right, but fore and aft as well. A well set up system will create a sound illusion that "places the instruments or vocals. Yep. Someone can have highly rated and well-thought of equipment, but if it's not staged properly in the listening room, it will fail. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:11:40 -0500, John H.
wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. === Thanks John, very nice performance and recording. That work has always been one of my favorite symphonies. We once saw Leonard Bernstein conduct it late in his career with the NY Philharmonic at Lincoln Center. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 16:45:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/17/2016 3:21 PM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/17/2016 1:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:36:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz That is why most records made in the 60s and earlier sound like they do. They were mixed to play on the radio. It wasn't until "hi fi" LPs came around that you started getting decent sound. Even those got "remastered" for CDs. When you play old tunes on a good system that limitation becomes immediately apparent. I doubt the original source material even exists to remaster them in a lot of cases. I suppose they can try to expand the sound digitally but it will just be a guess about what it was supposed to be. I don't think the old recordings were purposely mixed to play on the radio. High quality recordings were being made in the 30's and 40's. They just don't sound very good on AM. Also .. that 10Khz bandwidth is really only 5Khz available for audio modulation. The 10Khz is the total of what the allocated spectrum is above and below the carrier frequency. So, you are only hearing up to 5Khz. Amplitude modulation AM is "amplitude modulation" however what I was referring to is what the "modulation" is. AM has a 5khz band for audio, 5Khz on each side of the carrier freq for a total of 10Khz. For example: WBZ in Boston transmits on a carrier frequency of 1030Khz. If they modulate that carrier with a 1hz test tone (audio) the frequencies received by the AM radio are 1031Khz and 1029Khz. In the old days the 1029Khz would be discarded but I think they use that side of the carrier freq for station ID info and attempts at AM stereo. The AM receiver has a "beat frequency oscillator" which is tuned to the carrier freq of 1030Khz. The oscillator freq (1030Khz) and the received transmitted freq (with the test tone) are "beat" together in a superheterodyne circuit which yields the original freqs, the sum of the freqs and the difference between the freqs. The difference is what is used, being the 1Khz tone which is sent to the amplifier section and then to the speaker. But, the maximum *audio* modulation can only be 5Khz. === Richard, with all due respect, that's not quite the way it works. The classic AM receivers of our youth, and many of the current generation, were super hetrodyne receivers. They used something called a local oscillator to down convert the signal to a fixed Intermediate Frequency (IF), typically 455 KHz. From there the signal was sent to the Detector circuit which rectifed it and thus recovered the audio portion. The circuit you describe with a Beat Frequency Oscilator (BFO) is the way CW and SSB transmissions are received. Typically the BFO frequency would be at or near the IF, e.g., 455 KHz. You're absolutely correct that the audio maximum frequency of a standard AM radio is 5 KHz. That's an arbitrary limit imposed by broadcasting standards used to keep stations from interfering with other nearby frequencies. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 8:05:35 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:28:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 6:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:21:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/17/2016 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:36:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz That is why most records made in the 60s and earlier sound like they do. They were mixed to play on the radio. It wasn't until "hi fi" LPs came around that you started getting decent sound. Even those got "remastered" for CDs. When you play old tunes on a good system that limitation becomes immediately apparent. I doubt the original source material even exists to remaster them in a lot of cases. I suppose they can try to expand the sound digitally but it will just be a guess about what it was supposed to be. I don't think the old recordings were purposely mixed to play on the radio. High quality recordings were being made in the 30's and 40's. They just don't sound very good on AM. Also .. that 10Khz bandwidth is really only 5Khz available for audio modulation. The 10Khz is the total of what the allocated spectrum is above and below the carrier frequency. So, you are only hearing up to 5Khz. That is what I hear quite often when talking about top 40 hits. I agree there were recordings at higher quality but they were not on AM radio that much. In those days FM was "long hair" music and the kids had crew cuts or flat tops. You can really hear it when you listen to the Brill building music. It is very "thin". |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:03:03 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. I bought my wife a Bose "computer" speaker set that is as good as the old sound systems we grew up with that had coffin sized speaker boxes. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:08:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: We are saying the same thing. I just left out the the 455Khz intermediate freq for simplicity. The BFO (controlled by your tuning dial or pushbutton) is tuned to the carrier freq however, as I recall and not to the fixed, IF frequency. If that were the case you couldn't select any particular broadcast frequency. === It's a matter of standard terminology. The local oscilator (LO) is what allows you to select stations by frequency. The BFO is specialized for CW and SSB reception and many (most) radios do not have a BFO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Superheterodyne_receiver_block_diagram_2.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_frequency_oscillator |
My favorite Telarc CD
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My favorite Telarc CD
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:31:08 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 8:05:35 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:28:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 6:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have some "M-Audio" speakers hooked up to my imac. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studio.../dp/B000MUXJCO They sound pretty good. Funny, if you scroll down to see the current version, they're cheaper than the previous version you have. I wonder what the differences are. The reviews for both seem pretty good. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! The Klipsch Promedia 2.1 are good, too. I wonder how those compare to these from Harmon Kardon http://tinyurl.com/zu45alt Both sets get pretty good reviews from the Amazon crowd. But, I think I'm getting it narrowed down to a couple choices rather than a couple hundred. Thanks. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:43:48 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:03:03 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. I bought my wife a Bose "computer" speaker set that is as good as the old sound systems we grew up with that had coffin sized speaker boxes. I have a Bose system for the family room - TV and stereo. With my high frequency hearing loss, the Bose speakers sound really 'bassy'. What I need to do now is go to Best Buy and listen to some. Which Bose set did you get? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
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, says... I have some "M-Audio" speakers hooked up to my imac. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studio.../dp/B000MUXJCO They sound pretty good. Thanks, I'll look into them. Do they get enough bass without a subwoofer? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! It's subjective. I think they do. Your mileage will vary. If you order from anazon returns are easy I'm very happy with these. USB powered, but plenty loud for a PC. http://tinyurl.com/zxs58ga |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 06:37:31 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:
In article 379746671.477445266.758176.noway- , says... I have some "M-Audio" speakers hooked up to my imac. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studio.../dp/B000MUXJCO They sound pretty good. Thanks, I'll look into them. Do they get enough bass without a subwoofer? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! It's subjective. I think they do. Your mileage will vary. If you order from anazon returns are easy I'm very happy with these. USB powered, but plenty loud for a PC. http://tinyurl.com/zxs58ga Thanks, but I do know I want a 2.1 system. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
On 2/18/16 7:08 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:43:48 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:03:03 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. I bought my wife a Bose "computer" speaker set that is as good as the old sound systems we grew up with that had coffin sized speaker boxes. I have a Bose system for the family room - TV and stereo. With my high frequency hearing loss, the Bose speakers sound really 'bassy'. What I need to do now is go to Best Buy and listen to some. Which Bose set did you get? -- I'm not sure you'd really get a good idea of how these smaller speakers might sound in your house if you are reviewing them in a cavernous store like BB. |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:57:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/18/16 7:08 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:43:48 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:03:03 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/17/16 12:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:11 PM, John H. wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxGQ5t4lvI Enjoy. Telarc has put out a number of Super Audio CD's, this being one of them. Hopefully, you have a Super Audio CD player (Sony) and amplifier/receiver that will accept it's 6 channel output with each channel having a dedicated, discrete input. The amp/receiver must be then put in direct, 6 channel mode, (often called "Multi-Channel Input" driving a main left, main right, center, left rear, right rear and subwoofer. Most Telarc SACD are hybrid, meaning they will also play on a conventional CD player but you will lose superior fidelity of a SACD recording. Conventional, digital "Surround Sound" ... be it 5.1 or 7.1 is *not* SACD. In addition, SACD's are recorded completely differently than a regular CD. It's complicated and hard to explain but it uses phase modulation rather than amplitude modulation. Basically, it's much like the fidelity difference between AM and FM radio. Many people don't realize that AM radio's bandwidth is limited to 10Khz which means it can't broadcast the full audio frequency spectrum that the human ear can detect. FM, in addition to being frequency modulated rather than amplitude modulated has a 200Khz bandwidth. The only negative about SACD's is the limited number of them available and the fact that Sony is the only manufacturer of SACD players (last I knew). My criteria is how much do the "super" CDs sound like a live concert. The few I have heard on really good sound systems sound over-engineered to me, sort of like an AUDI car. They sure as hell don't sound like you are sitting in the expensive seats at a serious music concert. BTW .. a true "audiophile" (which I am *not*) would be dismayed at the sight of a bass or treble control or any other circuit that "colors" the sound of the recording. I am not that far gone with this stuff. Living rooms and listening areas vary acoustically and really can't duplicate a concert hall or your local live music hot spot. I've played with audio stuff for years but have pretty much lost interest in it. I am cleaning out our house and you wouldn't believe the gear I am tossing. Came across a big box *full* of directional audio connects that must have cost a fortune to accumulate over the years. Problem is, I never bought into the "directional" BS to begin with. The idea is that the capacitive reactance changes along it's length and the directional cables compensate for any losses. My problem with that is that at audio frequencies there is *no* capacitive or inductive reactance generated anyway. At higher freqs .. like RF ... yes, the transmission line becomes reactive to frequency but not at audio freqs. I'm in the market for a new computer sound system. The one I've got now doesn't do justice to the 'normal' Telarc. I bought my wife a Bose "computer" speaker set that is as good as the old sound systems we grew up with that had coffin sized speaker boxes. I have a Bose system for the family room - TV and stereo. With my high frequency hearing loss, the Bose speakers sound really 'bassy'. What I need to do now is go to Best Buy and listen to some. Which Bose set did you get? -- I'm not sure you'd really get a good idea of how these smaller speakers might sound in your house if you are reviewing them in a cavernous store like BB. True. The best I could do is compare them to each other in that environment. Also, most of my listening to the computer is from about 4-5 feet. Doing the same in a store would probably negate the effects of the huge area. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 02:27:53 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 01:04:50 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:08:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: We are saying the same thing. I just left out the the 455Khz intermediate freq for simplicity. The BFO (controlled by your tuning dial or pushbutton) is tuned to the carrier freq however, as I recall and not to the fixed, IF frequency. If that were the case you couldn't select any particular broadcast frequency. === It's a matter of standard terminology. The local oscilator (LO) is what allows you to select stations by frequency. The BFO is specialized for CW and SSB reception and many (most) radios do not have a BFO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Superheterodyne_receiver_block_diagram_2.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_frequency_oscillator Where does the cats whisker fit in there? ;-) === That's easy, the cats whisker is basically a semiconductor diode that demodulates the AM signal. Of course the availability of vacuum tube diodes and packaged semiconductors made the "whisker" obsolete. :-) |
My favorite Telarc CD
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:08:52 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:43:48 -0500, wrote: I bought my wife a Bose "computer" speaker set that is as good as the old sound systems we grew up with that had coffin sized speaker boxes. I have a Bose system for the family room - TV and stereo. With my high frequency hearing loss, the Bose speakers sound really 'bassy'. What I need to do now is go to Best Buy and listen to some. Which Bose set did you get? The sub woof says Companion3 Series II. It is a sub woofer/amp box with 2 small satellite speakers. I got it at Costco for her to use by her chair in the living room. I have a Creative set by my chair. They are all hooked to the audio out of the TV so we can set the volume to what we like for movies and such. I also use mine at night after she goes to bed to hold the noise down. My satellite speakers are mounted on the back rest of my chair so they can be set pretty low and I still hear it OK. At night I turn down the sub woof. |
My favorite Telarc CD
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My favorite Telarc CD
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:26:46 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:08:52 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:43:48 -0500, wrote: I bought my wife a Bose "computer" speaker set that is as good as the old sound systems we grew up with that had coffin sized speaker boxes. I have a Bose system for the family room - TV and stereo. With my high frequency hearing loss, the Bose speakers sound really 'bassy'. What I need to do now is go to Best Buy and listen to some. Which Bose set did you get? The sub woof says Companion3 Series II. It is a sub woofer/amp box with 2 small satellite speakers. I got it at Costco for her to use by her chair in the living room. I have a Creative set by my chair. They are all hooked to the audio out of the TV so we can set the volume to what we like for movies and such. I also use mine at night after she goes to bed to hold the noise down. My satellite speakers are mounted on the back rest of my chair so they can be set pretty low and I still hear it OK. At night I turn down the sub woof. Thanks. No new ones on Amazon, but Ebay has several at auction in the $100-150 range. Might keep my eye on them. I do like the looks. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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