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Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb |
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On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. |
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 03:52:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb Royal Caribbean and Carnival are two on which I'd never take a cruise. Next in the bucket: https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/c...-disney-magic/ ....when we sell the house. (Give it a couple seconds to load.) -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/9/2016 8:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 03:52:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb Royal Caribbean and Carnival are two on which I'd never take a cruise. Next in the bucket: https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/c...-disney-magic/ ....when we sell the house. (Give it a couple seconds to load.) -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Royal Carribean and Carnival shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. Carnival is the cattle car of cruise lines. Those who have visited Gitmo know about the cattle car. |
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:14:34 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. I just noticed that the guests were given 'complimentary' movies in their staterooms. This would imply that movies are normally 'sold' in the staterooms. I guess Disney movies are free because Disney makes so many movies. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30 foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO. It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been well established, including it's severity by the National Weather Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and the bean counters should be fired. |
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On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30 foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO. It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been well established, including it's severity by the National Weather Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and the bean counters should be fired. No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters. |
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:37:04 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30 foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO. It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been well established, including it's severity by the National Weather Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and the bean counters should be fired. No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters. === The captain is caught between a rock and a hard place in a situation like that. Clearly his first responsibility is to the safety of the passengers, crew and ship. However, if he butts heads with the home office, his future employment is at risk. It was an expensive mistake by someone, many millions no doubt, not to mention the bad publicity. |
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:26:53 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 03:52:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb Royal Caribbean and Carnival are two on which I'd never take a cruise. Next in the bucket: https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/c...-disney-magic/ ....when we sell the house. (Give it a couple seconds to load.) -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Royal Carribean and Carnival shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. Carnival is the cattle car of cruise lines. Those who have visited Gitmo know about the cattle car. === We've only been on two of the big cruise ship lines - Royal Caribbean and Princess. I thought they both did a good job but that's a limited sample size. |
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:37:04 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30 foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO. It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been well established, including it's severity by the National Weather Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and the bean counters should be fired. No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters. But the bean counters can still fire the captain. I agree with Richard, this is like the Faro. Somebody sitting in an office told him to go. The captain may have still been culpable tho since he can say no. The CG said the ship itself was never in danger but those cruise liners look pretty "tippy" to me. I think if you get sideways to the sea, they will go over. My first thought was what would the Coast Guard do if there was a total loss of the ship. With 3000+ people on board, they don't have enough assets to carry them all to shore. |
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On 2/9/2016 7:37 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30 foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO. It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been well established, including it's severity by the National Weather Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and the bean counters should be fired. No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters. Once the boat is underway, that is correct... However, the captain can always be fired for refusing to take the ship out, which is likely what would have happened if he defied the bean counters. |
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On 2/9/2016 7:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. Not that I'll argue with you too much on the point that not enough people are fired that deserve to be, but I do highly doubt the ship was American flagged. Almost no cruise ships are, which means they aren't subject to any US regulations that somebody would care to try to enforce. |
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On 2/9/2016 11:11 AM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 2/9/2016 7:37 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30 foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO. It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been well established, including it's severity by the National Weather Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and the bean counters should be fired. No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters. Once the boat is underway, that is correct... However, the captain can always be fired for refusing to take the ship out, which is likely what would have happened if he defied the bean counters. You have to do what your heart tells you. Obviously the captain's heart made the wrong choice. I wouldn't knowingly put my life in his hands. |
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On 2/9/2016 11:24 AM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 2/9/2016 7:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. Not that I'll argue with you too much on the point that not enough people are fired that deserve to be, but I do highly doubt the ship was American flagged. Almost no cruise ships are, which means they aren't subject to any US regulations that somebody would care to try to enforce. Government regulations make it difficult for corporations to survive and prosper in America. Maritime law is not country specific. I was just throwing a little barb at the progressive liberal bent this country has taken. |
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On 2/9/2016 8:37 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30 foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO. It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been well established, including it's severity by the National Weather Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and the bean counters should be fired. No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters. The "Captain" is almost always outranked by someone. The cruise lines have management to whom the Captain reports. The Navy has Admirals who issue sailing orders to ships. The only thing the Captain has uniquely is ultimate responsibility for the ship, crew and passengers if it carries them. In other words, if the **** hits the fan, the Captain gets the blame. |
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On 2/9/2016 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 8:37 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30 foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO. It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been well established, including it's severity by the National Weather Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and the bean counters should be fired. No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters. The "Captain" is almost always outranked by someone. The cruise lines have management to whom the Captain reports. The Navy has Admirals who issue sailing orders to ships. The only thing the Captain has uniquely is ultimate responsibility for the ship, crew and passengers if it carries them. In other words, if the **** hits the fan, the Captain gets the blame. Essentially what I said. |
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On 2/9/2016 10:42 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 11:24 AM, Ryan P. wrote: On 2/9/2016 7:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm". TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force winds. The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already formed and was situated. http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the American way lately. Not that I'll argue with you too much on the point that not enough people are fired that deserve to be, but I do highly doubt the ship was American flagged. Almost no cruise ships are, which means they aren't subject to any US regulations that somebody would care to try to enforce. Government regulations make it difficult for corporations to survive and prosper in America. Maritime law is not country specific. I was just throwing a little barb at the progressive liberal bent this country has taken. Again, no argument from me. :) The captain who knowingly took the boat out in dangerous conditions should lose his job. Whoever ordered him to do so should lose their job as well. |
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