On 1/8/2016 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:28:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I just don't understand what the big deal is ... unless of
course your are absolutely convinced that the "government" is out to get
you.

===

I'm certainly not convinced that the government is out to help me.
Everything they touch becomes a quagmire ruled by special interests.

You aren't alone.

On 1/8/2016 1:25 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/8/2016 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:28:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I just don't understand what the big deal is ... unless of
course your are absolutely convinced that the "government" is out to get
you.

===

I'm certainly not convinced that the government is out to help me.
Everything they touch becomes a quagmire ruled by special interests.

You aren't alone.


Voters determine who leads the government.

On 1/8/2016 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2016 1:25 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/8/2016 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:28:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I just don't understand what the big deal is ... unless of
course your are absolutely convinced that the "government" is out to
get
you.

===

I'm certainly not convinced that the government is out to help me.
Everything they touch becomes a quagmire ruled by special interests.

You aren't alone.


Voters determine who leads the government.

Voters make mistakes occasionally.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2016 1:25 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/8/2016 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:28:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I just don't understand what the big deal is ... unless of
course your are absolutely convinced that the "government" is out to get
you.

===

I'm certainly not convinced that the government is out to help me.
Everything they touch becomes a quagmire ruled by special interests.

You aren't alone.


Voters determine who leads the government.


That is funny! If voters determined it, why would we have candidates like
we have in this Presidential cycle?

On 1/8/2016 11:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2016 1:25 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/8/2016 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:28:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I just don't understand what the big deal is ... unless of
course your are absolutely convinced that the "government" is out to get
you.

===

I'm certainly not convinced that the government is out to help me.
Everything they touch becomes a quagmire ruled by special interests.

You aren't alone.


Voters determine who leads the government.


That is funny! If voters determined it, why would we have candidates like
we have in this Presidential cycle?



Because due to the influence of the Tea Party what decent conservative
even wants the job? Without it's blessing he or she doesn't stand a chance.

The result is Trump.

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 23:58:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/8/2016 11:09 PM, Califbill wrote:

That is funny! If voters determined it, why would we have candidates like
we have in this Presidential cycle?



Because due to the influence of the Tea Party what decent conservative
even wants the job? Without it's blessing he or she doesn't stand a chance.

The result is Trump.


It is not just the republicans. Do you think Bernie and Hillary are
the best the left could come up with?
We have created such a hostile political environment, I doubt anyone
who is not crazy would even think about running.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2016 11:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2016 1:25 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 1/8/2016 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:28:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I just don't understand what the big deal is ... unless of
course your are absolutely convinced that the "government" is out to get
you.

===

I'm certainly not convinced that the government is out to help me.
Everything they touch becomes a quagmire ruled by special interests.

You aren't alone.


Voters determine who leads the government.


That is funny! If voters determined it, why would we have candidates like
we have in this Presidential cycle?



Because due to the influence of the Tea Party what decent conservative
even wants the job? Without it's blessing he or she doesn't stand a chance.

The result is Trump.






Bovine excrement. The Tea Party may help push some right leaning
candidates, but on the Democrat side, we have a Socialist, a dishonest,
incompetent women and a very few others. You have Koch, et. Al. On the
right, and Soros, et. Al. on the left. Wall Street and banks mostly
running this country. They give us pretty much the same candidates all the
time. Show me the money.

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 16:26:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Voters determine who leads the government.

Then I guess we are not 90% in favor of the new gun laws because most
of the people in Congress know the voters would crucify them if they
passed them. That is why we have these executive actions ... from a
guy who says he will never face a voter again.
I still remember him telling Putin that.

On 1/9/2016 1:38 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 16:26:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Voters determine who leads the government.

Then I guess we are not 90% in favor of the new gun laws because most
of the people in Congress know the voters would crucify them if they
passed them. That is why we have these executive actions ... from a
guy who says he will never face a voter again.
I still remember him telling Putin that.


His/her position on gun laws is certainly not the only criteria by which
a politician is judged.

On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 05:22:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/9/2016 1:38 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 16:26:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Voters determine who leads the government.

Then I guess we are not 90% in favor of the new gun laws because most
of the people in Congress know the voters would crucify them if they
passed them. That is why we have these executive actions ... from a
guy who says he will never face a voter again.
I still remember him telling Putin that.


His/her position on gun laws is certainly not the only criteria by which
a politician is judged.

Nope, you also have abortion and gays.
Beyond that they all seem to blur into a version of the Bushes. They
may campaign differently but once they get into office they conform.

The only real exceptions this time are Trump and Sanders and they are
both scary in their own right.