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Gould 0738 October 23rd 03 01:23 AM

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You guys REALLY need to spend some time on a COMMERCIAL SHIP. 100
gallons of diesel fuel pumped overboard is like a teaspoon in a lake.
They pump more than you store overboard just STARTING IT!



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



One small problemo with the comparison:

A commercial ship or a warship is involved in essential activities. Even *if*
they pollute 1000 times as much as a recreational boater, it's only because
steps have been taken to reduce to that from 10,000 times.

If we all decide that it's OK to pollute the water as long as it's less than a
containership or an aircraft carrier pollutes,
we'll be boating in one hell of a filthy soup in short order.

Because our recreational boating is an "optional" exercise, undertaken on
public waterways, we should try to leave the smallest possible dung pile in our
wake.
That doesn't mean we all need to take up sailing, IMO, but we should try to see
that whatever configuration we do enjoy is operating cleanly and efficiently
within the limitations of its design.



Rick October 23rd 03 08:07 PM

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Gould 0738 wrote:


A commercial ship or a warship is involved in essential activities. Even *if*
they pollute 1000 times as much as a recreational boater, it's only because
steps have been taken to reduce to that from 10,000 times.


Won't speak for waships because I don't work on them but as far as
freighters, containerships, and tankers are concerned we discharge far
less than the average Bayliner.

Gray funnel liners (government owned, civilian crewed, ships of the
Ready Reserve Fleet and Military Sealift Command) are "publicly owned
vessels" and as such are, like warships, technically exempt from the
laws and requirements imposed on civil shipping but in fact follow
exactly the same practices as other US flagged civil shipping. Just
because we might not get fined or jailed for pollution doesn't mean we
pollute ...

We do not pump bilges overboard within 12 miles of the coast, all bilge
water is passed through a 15 ppm oily water separator or held for
discharge ashore to a treatment facility.

On tankers we do not even let rainwater go over the side in a loading or
discharge port, along with bilge water it is collected in a slop tank
and discharged ashore.

A modern commercial vessel is cleaner than practically any pleasure
vessel afloat. There are more oil slicks passing through my marina in a
week than the Port of Seattle freight and oil terminals see in years.

Rick


Del Cecchi October 24th 03 04:51 PM

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"Rick" wrote in message
ink.net...
Gould 0738 wrote:


A commercial ship or a warship is involved in essential activities. Even

*if*
they pollute 1000 times as much as a recreational boater, it's only

because
steps have been taken to reduce to that from 10,000 times.


Won't speak for waships because I don't work on them but as far as
freighters, containerships, and tankers are concerned we discharge far
less than the average Bayliner.

Gray funnel liners (government owned, civilian crewed, ships of the
Ready Reserve Fleet and Military Sealift Command) are "publicly owned
vessels" and as such are, like warships, technically exempt from the
laws and requirements imposed on civil shipping but in fact follow
exactly the same practices as other US flagged civil shipping. Just
because we might not get fined or jailed for pollution doesn't mean we
pollute ...

We do not pump bilges overboard within 12 miles of the coast, all bilge
water is passed through a 15 ppm oily water separator or held for
discharge ashore to a treatment facility.

On tankers we do not even let rainwater go over the side in a loading or
discharge port, along with bilge water it is collected in a slop tank
and discharged ashore.

A modern commercial vessel is cleaner than practically any pleasure
vessel afloat. There are more oil slicks passing through my marina in a
week than the Port of Seattle freight and oil terminals see in years.

Rick

Of course ballast tanks are a different thing, or did those round gobies and
zebra mussels get into the great lakes by immaculate conception? Why are
the shippers resisting flushing ballast tanks with salt water en route?

del cecchi



Rick October 24th 03 07:18 PM

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Del Cecchi wrote:

Of course ballast tanks are a different thing, or did those round gobies and
zebra mussels get into the great lakes by immaculate conception? Why are
the shippers resisting flushing ballast tanks with salt water en route?


Have you considered that the reason ballast exchange (BWE)laws now exist
is because traditional practices were discovered to be the source of
those zebra mussels and gobies?

There is little "resistance" to ballast water exchange. It has been
required by the International Maritime Organization since 1997.

There are several options under consideration to replace BWE since for
many ships exchanging ballast water in mid ocean is akin to a sailboat
exchanging its keel in the same conditions. Ballast is onboard to ensure
the ship's stability and removing it places the ship in a very
precarious state in less than ideal sea and weather conditions. It is a
time consuming practice and some runs do not provide enough time in mid
ocean, if the ship even reaches mid ocean, to completely exchange all
ballast.

There are several other systems under development to sterilize ballast
water. Ballast water is tested for exotics and to ensure that ballast
exchange has been conducted. A Google search will enlighten you with
many documents concerning this issue. But like any other activity, there
are those who will falsify documents, take shortcuts or evade the
regulations, they are not representative of the industry any more than
the yachtie who pumps his holding tank into the channel or pumps his oil
bilge into the marina at night is representative of the entire yachting
community.

Rick


Del Cecchi October 24th 03 09:39 PM

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"Rick" wrote in message
k.net...
Del Cecchi wrote:

Of course ballast tanks are a different thing, or did those round gobies

and
zebra mussels get into the great lakes by immaculate conception? Why

are
the shippers resisting flushing ballast tanks with salt water en route?


Have you considered that the reason ballast exchange (BWE)laws now exist
is because traditional practices were discovered to be the source of
those zebra mussels and gobies?

There is little "resistance" to ballast water exchange. It has been
required by the International Maritime Organization since 1997.

There are several options under consideration to replace BWE since for
many ships exchanging ballast water in mid ocean is akin to a sailboat
exchanging its keel in the same conditions. Ballast is onboard to ensure
the ship's stability and removing it places the ship in a very
precarious state in less than ideal sea and weather conditions. It is a
time consuming practice and some runs do not provide enough time in mid
ocean, if the ship even reaches mid ocean, to completely exchange all
ballast.

There are several other systems under development to sterilize ballast
water. Ballast water is tested for exotics and to ensure that ballast
exchange has been conducted. A Google search will enlighten you with
many documents concerning this issue. But like any other activity, there
are those who will falsify documents, take shortcuts or evade the
regulations, they are not representative of the industry any more than
the yachtie who pumps his holding tank into the channel or pumps his oil
bilge into the marina at night is representative of the entire yachting
community.

Rick

We got spiny water fleas in 84, zebra mussels in 88, and round and tube-nose
goby in 90. And in 97 something was finally done. Hot damn. Way to react
quickly there. And I don't care if you swap the bilge water in mid ocean or
5 miles off the beach. If there isn't time then slow down.

del cecchi



Del Cecchi October 24th 03 09:42 PM

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"Rick" wrote in message
k.net...
Del Cecchi wrote:

Of course ballast tanks are a different thing, or did those round gobies

and
zebra mussels get into the great lakes by immaculate conception? Why

are
the shippers resisting flushing ballast tanks with salt water en route?


Have you considered that the reason ballast exchange (BWE)laws now exist
is because traditional practices were discovered to be the source of
those zebra mussels and gobies?

There is little "resistance" to ballast water exchange. It has been
required by the International Maritime Organization since 1997.

snip
I forgot this one, just found. I guess your systems aren't working so well

Cercopagis pengoi is the latest exotic crustacean to invade the Great Lakes.
This predatory cladoceran was first identified by Canadian scientists in
early August of 1998, and was reported via Internet by Dr. Hugh MacIsaac at
the end of August . Cercopagis is indigenous to the Caspian, Azov, and Aral
seas (Rivier 1998), and was reported to have invaded the Baltic Sea in 1992
(Ojaveer & Lumberg 1995, Ojaveer 1997).



Rick October 24th 03 10:17 PM

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Del Cecchi wrote:

And I don't care if you swap the bilge water in mid ocean or
5 miles off the beach.


It is obvious you don't really care and can't be bothered to research
the efforts underway to reduce the problem. Rather than waste my time
arguing with you I will let your statement speak for itself, it clearly
shows the level of your understanding.

If you feel the need to lash out in a fit of ignorant rage go down to
the docks and scream at the nearest ship.

Rick


Del Cecchi October 24th 03 10:25 PM

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"Rick" wrote in message
k.net...
Del Cecchi wrote:

And I don't care if you swap the bilge water in mid ocean or
5 miles off the beach.


It is obvious you don't really care and can't be bothered to research
the efforts underway to reduce the problem. Rather than waste my time
arguing with you I will let your statement speak for itself, it clearly
shows the level of your understanding.

If you feel the need to lash out in a fit of ignorant rage go down to
the docks and scream at the nearest ship.

Rick


Oh you are so noble. Sorry to disturb your existence with my little list of
exotic invaders brought to the great lakes by pristine, environmentally
concerned international shipping industry.

I bet they are taking these actions to clean their ballast out of sheer
altruistic motives.

del




MIDEMETZ October 25th 03 02:10 PM

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I used a water switch from a washing machine. I don't remember the size of the
PVC cap but it was used by a lot of the local shrimpers in their old wooden
boats ( read leak a lot ).

The switch is usually in the control top part. They recommended using a
smaller longer hose and mounted the switch high on the bulkhead.

Mine worked for a little over 5 years with out problems. ( Sold the boat ).

It would take a little experimenting but easy engulf to find the cap size.
They heater a brass hose barb and just screwed it in to the hole, I drilled &
taped it. It isn’t boat pretty but very useful.

For the delay the Radio Shack idea seems the best.

Mike.
*****************

However I am sick of replacing bilge pump switches. ( I have a
shed full of floats!)

I thought to seal a mercury switch and put it on the float when
the float goes up the pump comes on (through a good relay)

However the switch comes on the pump runs for a very short time
and just clicks on and off driving the relay crazy.
I need to have a delay that will keep the relay pulled in say
5 to 10 seconds before dropping out and resetting.
Anyone have an idea or circuit that will do this for me.
Thanks
Oliver Fleming



Keith October 25th 03 03:25 PM

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Groco makes an air activated switch like this for boats. I have one in mine
and love it. The only thing sticking down into the bilge is a little bell
shaped upside down "cup" with the hose leading up to the switch, a couple of
feet above. When the water rises, the pressure inside the switch triggers
the bilge pump.

"MIDEMETZ" wrote in message
...
I used a water switch from a washing machine. I don't remember the size

of the
PVC cap but it was used by a lot of the local shrimpers in their old

wooden
boats ( read leak a lot ).

The switch is usually in the control top part. They recommended using a
smaller longer hose and mounted the switch high on the bulkhead.

Mine worked for a little over 5 years with out problems. ( Sold the

boat ).

It would take a little experimenting but easy engulf to find the cap size.
They heater a brass hose barb and just screwed it in to the hole, I

drilled &
taped it. It isn't boat pretty but very useful.

For the delay the Radio Shack idea seems the best.

Mike.
*****************

However I am sick of replacing bilge pump switches. ( I have a
shed full of floats!)

I thought to seal a mercury switch and put it on the float when
the float goes up the pump comes on (through a good relay)

However the switch comes on the pump runs for a very short time
and just clicks on and off driving the relay crazy.
I need to have a delay that will keep the relay pulled in say
5 to 10 seconds before dropping out and resetting.
Anyone have an idea or circuit that will do this for me.
Thanks
Oliver Fleming





Capt. Frank Hopkins October 25th 03 05:11 PM

Bilge Pump Switch
 
We recently installed a "automatic" pump in the forward bilge on one of
the charter boats. The way I understand it, the pump spins its impeller
and if it detects water, it keeps pumping. No external switch needed.

Have a look at the link below.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...productId=2576

Capt. Frank

Keith wrote:

Groco makes an air activated switch like this for boats. I have one in mine
and love it. The only thing sticking down into the bilge is a little bell
shaped upside down "cup" with the hose leading up to the switch, a couple of
feet above. When the water rises, the pressure inside the switch triggers
the bilge pump.

"MIDEMETZ" wrote in message
...

I used a water switch from a washing machine. I don't remember the size


of the

PVC cap but it was used by a lot of the local shrimpers in their old


wooden

boats ( read leak a lot ).

The switch is usually in the control top part. They recommended using a
smaller longer hose and mounted the switch high on the bulkhead.

Mine worked for a little over 5 years with out problems. ( Sold the


boat ).

It would take a little experimenting but easy engulf to find the cap size.
They heater a brass hose barb and just screwed it in to the hole, I


drilled &

taped it. It isn't boat pretty but very useful.

For the delay the Radio Shack idea seems the best.

Mike.
*****************

However I am sick of replacing bilge pump switches. ( I have a
shed full of floats!)

I thought to seal a mercury switch and put it on the float when
the float goes up the pump comes on (through a good relay)

However the switch comes on the pump runs for a very short time
and just clicks on and off driving the relay crazy.
I need to have a delay that will keep the relay pulled in say
5 to 10 seconds before dropping out and resetting.
Anyone have an idea or circuit that will do this for me.
Thanks
Oliver Fleming






Del Cecchi October 28th 03 04:05 PM

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"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...

"Vito" wrote in message
...
del cecchi wrote:

"Larry Demers" wrote
... A series cap with the diode seems like a better idea to try.


This is a DC system in the average boat. There is only one polarity

of
inductive kick. Diodes work fine. Capacitors in series with the

diode
wouldn't work at all.


That's odd considering that literally millions of DC automobile ignition
systems used a capacitor in parallel with the "points" to protect them
from the coil's inductive kick. BTW, the "kick" is damped AC.


That has a different reason. Damping a coil with a diode does the job,

since
the induction voltage is ALWAYS the opposite as the originating voltage.
But, using a diode keeps the current flowing while the magnetic field
collapses. This causes a slow collapse of the field. In a coil in the car
(is it called bobbin?) has to produce a high voltage and therefore the

field
has to collapse as fast as possible. Therefore a capacitor is used with
certain value to get the best trade-off between generated high voltage

and
RF interference surpression.

Meindert

The capacitor across the points has its voltage reset to zero when the
points close. The capacitor acts to supress arcing by slowing the rise time
of the current decrease when the points open. The resulting oscillation in
the series tuned circuit is damped by the secondary driving the spark
through the plug.

In the case of the relay coil, there is no secondary. If there were no
diode, the tuned circuit would oscillate for a long time. With the diode,
the inductive kick will be stored on the capacitor and, being unable to
discharge through the reverse biased diode, will stay there for a long time.
During that time the diode will never turn on, due to the voltage on the
capacitor.

del cecchi




Gould 0738 October 28th 03 05:11 PM

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Sigvaldi Eggertsson wrote:

The climate of Iceland is not much different from the UK one, maritime
temperate with mild winters and cool summers. You were probably
thinking about Greenland?


I figured it must not be terribly bad in Iceland. Otherwise they would
not be able to grow all those gorgeous women. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com



I'veheard the rule of thumb esxpressed,
"Geenland is white, but Iceland is green."

Del Cecchi October 29th 03 06:56 PM

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
Meindert Sprang wrote:

The small oscillation you get has nothing to do with mass of electrons

and
their inertia. It is caused by the fact that every coil has a bit of
parasitic capacitance, forming a resonant loop with the inductance of

the
coil, ...


Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant
circuits wouldn't resonate.


Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot? Sometimes hard to
tell on the net.

del cecchi



Vito October 30th 03 03:47 PM

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Del Cecchi wrote:

"Vito" wrote
Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant
circuits wouldn't resonate.


Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot?


Neither one. Do you doubt that electrons have mass and therefore
inertia? If they did not, then current would stop at once when the coil
unsaturated. But it does not. The little buggers keep going til they've
charged the capacitor (parasitic in this case but still real). Then
(Bugle sounds retreat) they head the other way re energizing the coil
..... etc. .... creating a damped AC wave.

Sometimes hard to tell on the net.


Yes indeed.

Meindert Sprang October 30th 03 05:49 PM

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
Del Cecchi wrote:

"Vito" wrote
Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant
circuits wouldn't resonate.


Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot?


Neither one. Do you doubt that electrons have mass and therefore
inertia? If they did not, then current would stop at once when the coil
unsaturated. But it does not.


Sorry to say Vito, but that is completely nonsense. The reason current keeps
folwing for a while is magnetism. Current flowing through a wire creates a
magnetic field around the wire. Also, a changing magnetic field induces
current in a wire. What happens when you open the contact is this: the
current stops flowing, the existing static field collapses and is therefore
changing. And the field change induces a current in the wire in the opposite
direction. In a straight wire this effect is hardly noticable but coiled up,
the field around the wire concentrates and the effect gets bigger.

And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read a
book about basic electric laws.

Meindert



Rick October 30th 03 06:27 PM

Bilge Pump Switch
 
Meindert Sprang wrote:

And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read a
book about basic electric laws.


But Meindert, I weld from time to time and as you probably know welding
requires large current flows. This means huge numbers of electrons are
racing along the wire to the welding rod.

I have noticed that when I pull the rod away from the work it always has
a big blob on the end. Are you saying this isn't because all those
electrons kept rushing into the hot metal and caused it to bulge out
when they had no place to go?

Rick



Del Cecchi October 30th 03 06:35 PM

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
Del Cecchi wrote:

"Vito" wrote
Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant
circuits wouldn't resonate.


Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot?


Neither one. Do you doubt that electrons have mass and therefore
inertia? If they did not, then current would stop at once when the coil
unsaturated. But it does not. The little buggers keep going til they've
charged the capacitor (parasitic in this case but still real). Then
(Bugle sounds retreat) they head the other way re energizing the coil
.... etc. .... creating a damped AC wave.

Sometimes hard to tell on the net.


Yes indeed.

Next you will be telling me that you think the electrons are shooting
through the wire so fast that they just keep going and end up in a pile on
the other end, until they shoot back the other way. Snort, giggle, choke.

Yes the electrons have mass. It has nothing to do with how they behave in
electric circuits.



Meindert Sprang October 30th 03 06:45 PM

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"Rick" wrote in message
ink.net...
Meindert Sprang wrote:

And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and

read a
book about basic electric laws.


But Meindert, I weld from time to time and as you probably know welding
requires large current flows. This means huge numbers of electrons are
racing along the wire to the welding rod.

I have noticed that when I pull the rod away from the work it always has
a big blob on the end. Are you saying this isn't because all those
electrons kept rushing into the hot metal and caused it to bulge out
when they had no place to go?


:-))

By the way, take a good look at your car's headlights: if you take a right
turn, the right headlight gets a little dim because all electrons are forced
to the left side of the wiring in the car. You know, inertia, centrifugal
forces and all....

Meindert



Glen October 30th 03 07:47 PM

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:45:41 +0100, "Meindert Sprang"
tempted fate with:

By the way, take a good look at your car's headlights: if you take a right
turn, the right headlight gets a little dim because all electrons are forced
to the left side of the wiring in the car. You know, inertia, centrifugal
forces and all....

Meindert

I've worried about my VHF antenna. It's way up at the top of my mast.
Are the electrons slowing down on the way up? And when they come
falling back down the coax like little bombs and plow into my radio,
can they damage it? Is there a radiation hazard?


__________________________________________________ __________
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To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
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Paul October 30th 03 08:49 PM

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Simply install a strong magnet at the top of your mast. It will pull the
tired electrons up and it will slow the plummet of the downward electrons.

You should also be worried about your computer's hard drive. Data is stored
in binary format, 1 and 0. The zero has slightly greater mass and therefore,
if you haven't balanced your hard drive lately you could be wearing out your
bearings prematurely.

You can download software from the web for this.

"Glen Wiley Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:45:41 +0100, "Meindert Sprang"
tempted fate with:

By the way, take a good look at your car's headlights: if you take a

right
turn, the right headlight gets a little dim because all electrons are

forced
to the left side of the wiring in the car. You know, inertia, centrifugal
forces and all....

Meindert

I've worried about my VHF antenna. It's way up at the top of my mast.
Are the electrons slowing down on the way up? And when they come
falling back down the coax like little bombs and plow into my radio,
can they damage it? Is there a radiation hazard?


__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/




Dan Best October 30th 03 09:07 PM

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When you were welding, were you using DC, DC Reverse or AC?

Rick wrote:
Meindert Sprang wrote:

And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and
read a
book about basic electric laws.



But Meindert, I weld from time to time and as you probably know welding
requires large current flows. This means huge numbers of electrons are
racing along the wire to the welding rod.

I have noticed that when I pull the rod away from the work it always has
a big blob on the end. Are you saying this isn't because all those
electrons kept rushing into the hot metal and caused it to bulge out
when they had no place to go?

Rick



--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG


Rick October 30th 03 09:19 PM

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Dan Best wrote:

When you were welding, were you using DC, DC Reverse or AC?


The rod bulges with DCEN (straight polarity)

I get equal bead and bulge when using AC

Rick


Glen October 30th 03 10:12 PM

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:19:11 GMT, Rick
tempted fate with:


I get equal bead and bulge when using AC

I get equal bead and bulge when using Viagra.

__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

Glen October 30th 03 10:24 PM

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:49:46 GMT, "Paul" tempted
fate with:

You should also be worried about your computer's hard drive. Data is stored
in binary format, 1 and 0. The zero has slightly greater mass and therefore,
if you haven't balanced your hard drive lately you could be wearing out your
bearings prematurely.


This suggests that you could make laptops lighter by leaving out the
zeros. Is this how zip files work? But I don't understand. A 0 is
nothing, right? How can 1 be less than 0? Is 2 also less than 0?
Or is it just less than 1? Is this why they say less is more?

I heard that there are ony 10 kinds of people in the world, those who
know binary and those who don't.

__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

Clams Canino October 30th 03 10:44 PM

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One atom bumps into another atom.

"Hey! you stole one of my electrons"

"Are you sure"

"I'm positive!"

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message

And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read

a
book about basic electric laws.




Jim Richardson October 31st 03 12:30 AM

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:49:26 +0100,
Meindert Sprang wrote:
"Vito" wrote in message
...
Del Cecchi wrote:

"Vito" wrote
Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant
circuits wouldn't resonate.

Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot?


Neither one. Do you doubt that electrons have mass and therefore
inertia? If they did not, then current would stop at once when the coil
unsaturated. But it does not.


Sorry to say Vito, but that is completely nonsense. The reason current keeps
folwing for a while is magnetism. Current flowing through a wire creates a
magnetic field around the wire. Also, a changing magnetic field induces
current in a wire. What happens when you open the contact is this: the
current stops flowing, the existing static field collapses and is therefore
changing. And the field change induces a current in the wire in the opposite
direction. In a straight wire this effect is hardly noticable but coiled up,
the field around the wire concentrates and the effect gets bigger.

And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read a
book about basic electric laws.


Electrons have mass, ergo, they have inertia. Not much it's true, but
it's there.

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Some people are born normal, some people achieve normality, and some
have normalcy thrust upon them by a nice nurse with a hypodermic.

Rick October 31st 03 12:49 AM

Bilge Pump Switch
 
Glen Wilson wrote:

I get equal bead and bulge when using Viagra.


I suppose it helps if you increase the stickout on your wirefeed.

Rick


Keith October 31st 03 01:06 PM

Bilge Pump Switch - New Rule switch bad out of box.
 
Isn't that what a diode is for? A little check valve? ;)

Speaking of float switches, I installed a brand new Rule superswitch
yesterday. Tested it out, worked fine the FIRST time. After that, when I
released it it wouldn't cut off unless I cycled it up and down and banged on
it a bit. Sheesh.

"Glen Wiley Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:45:41 +0100, "Meindert Sprang"
tempted fate with:

By the way, take a good look at your car's headlights: if you take a

right
turn, the right headlight gets a little dim because all electrons are

forced
to the left side of the wiring in the car. You know, inertia, centrifugal
forces and all....

Meindert

I've worried about my VHF antenna. It's way up at the top of my mast.
Are the electrons slowing down on the way up? And when they come
falling back down the coax like little bombs and plow into my radio,
can they damage it? Is there a radiation hazard?


__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/




Vito October 31st 03 02:07 PM

Bilge Pump Switch
 
Meindert Sprang wrote:

Sorry to say Vito, but that is completely nonsense. The reason current keeps
folwing for a while is magnetism. Current flowing through a wire creates a
magnetic field around the wire. Also, a changing magnetic field induces
current in a wire. What happens when you open the contact is this: the
current stops flowing, the existing static field collapses and is therefore
changing. And the field change induces a current in the wire in the opposite
direction.


But current continues to flow even after the magnetic field has
collapsed. You can prove that with the right instruments.


And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read a
book about basic electric laws.


I did, at Bell Labs - you know the folks who invented transistors, et
cetera. Electrons have mass everything with mass has inertia. Look it up
in any basic physics book, or better yet memorize
http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/EINSTEIN/Appendix1.html. Exam next
Thursday (c:

Richard Lane November 1st 03 07:17 PM

Bilge Pump Switch - New Rule switch bad out of box.
 
I installed a replacement Rule Superswitch in July and one of the
flexible ligaments connecting the mercury switch in the float opened in
two months. Replaced with Sureflow Piranha float switch without flexing
leads (after getting a refund from West Marine for the Superswitch)
Dick


Keith wrote:

Isn't that what a diode is for? A little check valve? ;)

Speaking of float switches, I installed a brand new Rule superswitch
yesterday. Tested it out, worked fine the FIRST time. After that, when I
released it it wouldn't cut off unless I cycled it up and down and banged on
it a bit. Sheesh.







Backyard Renegade November 1st 03 10:08 PM

Bilge Pump Switch - New Rule switch bad out of box.
 
Richard Lane wrote in message ...
I installed a replacement Rule Superswitch in July and one of the
flexible ligaments connecting the mercury switch in the float opened in
two months. Replaced with Sureflow Piranha float switch without flexing
leads (after getting a refund from West Marine for the Superswitch)
Dick



When I worked for GM, the first thing suspect in an electrical problem
was "out of the box" parts ;).
Scotty, electrical guy...



Keith wrote:

Isn't that what a diode is for? A little check valve? ;)

Speaking of float switches, I installed a brand new Rule superswitch
yesterday. Tested it out, worked fine the FIRST time. After that, when I
released it it wouldn't cut off unless I cycled it up and down and banged on
it a bit. Sheesh.







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