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Letter to all members of Prince Georges RC club:
PGRC Members, In case you haven't heard, the FAA is requiring all UAS owners (including AMA members who fly RC) to register with the FAA before 19 February. See AMA District IV VP Jay Marsh's e-mail below. Also see the included links to the FAA press release and AMA's response. Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. This was all discussed at the meeting Tuesday night but, if you missed it, here is the gist: 1. The AMA, and we at PGRC, think the FAA's inclusion of AMA members in the registration program is an unnecessary imposition. 2. Nevertheless, we are requiring all PGRC members (and visiting flyers) to register before 19 February, in order to fly at our field. 3. You can register at the FAA website (www.faa.gov/uas/registration) starting 21 December. Registration is free for 30 days after 21 December, and $5 thereafter. Registration is good for 3 years. 4. We will be required to put the FAA registration number on ALL our models that we plan to fly. 5. Because of our proximity to DC, FAA personnel are likely to visit our field to verify that all flyers are registered. Hence, we should carry a copy of the certificate to the field (e.g., in our flight boxes), as well as imprinting the number on all our models. This registration process may or may not be the last infringement of the FAA on our hobby and on us at PGRC, but anyone failing to comply will certainly be jeopardizing the hobby and our continued existence at PGRC Field. After 19 February, only FAA-registered RC pilots will be permitted to fly at PGRC Field. Sometimes, a period of whining can be good for the psyche - there was certainly a good measure of it at the meeting on Tuesday. So go ahead and whine, and get it out of your system. Then register. Regards, (Secretary) -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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John H. wrote:
Letter to all members of Prince Georges RC club: PGRC Members, In case you haven't heard, the FAA is requiring all UAS owners (including AMA members who fly RC) to register with the FAA before 19 February. See AMA District IV VP Jay Marsh's e-mail below. Also see the included links to the FAA press release and AMA's response. Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. This was all discussed at the meeting Tuesday night but, if you missed it, here is the gist: 1. The AMA, and we at PGRC, think the FAA's inclusion of AMA members in the registration program is an unnecessary imposition. 2. Nevertheless, we are requiring all PGRC members (and visiting flyers) to register before 19 February, in order to fly at our field. 3. You can register at the FAA website (www.faa.gov/uas/registration) starting 21 December. Registration is free for 30 days after 21 December, and $5 thereafter. Registration is good for 3 years. 4. We will be required to put the FAA registration number on ALL our models that we plan to fly. 5. Because of our proximity to DC, FAA personnel are likely to visit our field to verify that all flyers are registered. Hence, we should carry a copy of the certificate to the field (e.g., in our flight boxes), as well as imprinting the number on all our models. This registration process may or may not be the last infringement of the FAA on our hobby and on us at PGRC, but anyone failing to comply will certainly be jeopardizing the hobby and our continued existence at PGRC Field. After 19 February, only FAA-registered RC pilots will be permitted to fly at PGRC Field. Sometimes, a period of whining can be good for the psyche - there was certainly a good measure of it at the meeting on Tuesday. So go ahead and whine, and get it out of your system. Then register. Regards, (Secretary) -- Ban idiots, not guns! Whine, whine, whine -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:35:06 -0500, John H.
wrote: Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. I wonder how many people could register as "John Smith, 1600 Pennsylvania avenue Washington DC and Noneofurbizxxxx@hotmail or some other free server" Are they really going to do any kind of background check or verification on the application? Mo money, Mo money |
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On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 10:34:48 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
Letter to all members of Prince Georges RC club: PGRC Members, In case you haven't heard, the FAA is requiring all UAS owners (including AMA members who fly RC) to register with the FAA before 19 February. See AMA District IV VP Jay Marsh's e-mail below. Also see the included links to the FAA press release and AMA's response. Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. This was all discussed at the meeting Tuesday night but, if you missed it, here is the gist: 1. The AMA, and we at PGRC, think the FAA's inclusion of AMA members in the registration program is an unnecessary imposition. 2. Nevertheless, we are requiring all PGRC members (and visiting flyers) to register before 19 February, in order to fly at our field. 3. You can register at the FAA website (www.faa.gov/uas/registration) starting 21 December. Registration is free for 30 days after 21 December, and $5 thereafter. Registration is good for 3 years. 4. We will be required to put the FAA registration number on ALL our models that we plan to fly. 5. Because of our proximity to DC, FAA personnel are likely to visit our field to verify that all flyers are registered. Hence, we should carry a copy of the certificate to the field (e.g., in our flight boxes), as well as imprinting the number on all our models. This registration process may or may not be the last infringement of the FAA on our hobby and on us at PGRC, but anyone failing to comply will certainly be jeopardizing the hobby and our continued existence at PGRC Field. After 19 February, only FAA-registered RC pilots will be permitted to fly at PGRC Field. Sometimes, a period of whining can be good for the psyche - there was certainly a good measure of it at the meeting on Tuesday. So go ahead and whine, and get it out of your system. Then register. Regards, (Secretary) -- Ban idiots, not guns! From the AMA today: As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft. |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:57:38 -0500,
wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:15:42 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:35:06 -0500, John H. wrote: Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. I wonder how many people could register as "John Smith, 1600 Pennsylvania avenue Washington DC and Noneofurbizxxxx@hotmail or some other free server" Are they really going to do any kind of background check or verification on the application? Mo money, Mo money === Being untruthful with the government is probably not a good idea. The penalties for that can be far worse than those for flying an unregistered plane. Again, how many people would it take to catch anyone? Anonymous Email accounts, public hot spots etc. We are having trouble tracking terrorists with virtually unlimited resources being thrown at the hunt Mo money Mo money Again what was wrong with the idea of just filing criminal charges against anyone who interferes with aircraft? That should already be something they can do within the current infrastructure. If they don't actually catch the guy with the controller in his hand, they don't have much anyway. A decent lawyer will blow away any case built on a number scratched on a drone that you can deny ever seeing if they can't place you at the scene. (not my drone, lost that drone last year, sold it on craigs list a year ago, threw it in the trash etc) Bear in mind, the drone itself is not even registered. |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:51:21 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:57:38 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:15:42 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:35:06 -0500, John H. wrote: Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. I wonder how many people could register as "John Smith, 1600 Pennsylvania avenue Washington DC and Noneofurbizxxxx@hotmail or some other free server" Are they really going to do any kind of background check or verification on the application? Mo money, Mo money === Being untruthful with the government is probably not a good idea. The penalties for that can be far worse than those for flying an unregistered plane. Again, how many people would it take to catch anyone? Anonymous Email accounts, public hot spots etc. We are having trouble tracking terrorists with virtually unlimited resources being thrown at the hunt Mo money Mo money Again what was wrong with the idea of just filing criminal charges against anyone who interferes with aircraft? That should already be something they can do within the current infrastructure. If they don't actually catch the guy with the controller in his hand, they don't have much anyway. A decent lawyer will blow away any case built on a number scratched on a drone that you can deny ever seeing if they can't place you at the scene. (not my drone, lost that drone last year, sold it on craigs list a year ago, threw it in the trash etc) Bear in mind, the drone itself is not even registered. === I view the whole thing as a make work excercise to appease the complaining pilots who have not yet seen an actual threat, nor are they likely to. Lying to the feds is always a bad idea however. That's how they turn suspects into real criminals. |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:16:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 10:34:48 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote: Letter to all members of Prince Georges RC club: PGRC Members, In case you haven't heard, the FAA is requiring all UAS owners (including AMA members who fly RC) to register with the FAA before 19 February. See AMA District IV VP Jay Marsh's e-mail below. Also see the included links to the FAA press release and AMA's response. Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. This was all discussed at the meeting Tuesday night but, if you missed it, here is the gist: 1. The AMA, and we at PGRC, think the FAA's inclusion of AMA members in the registration program is an unnecessary imposition. 2. Nevertheless, we are requiring all PGRC members (and visiting flyers) to register before 19 February, in order to fly at our field. 3. You can register at the FAA website (www.faa.gov/uas/registration) starting 21 December. Registration is free for 30 days after 21 December, and $5 thereafter. Registration is good for 3 years. 4. We will be required to put the FAA registration number on ALL our models that we plan to fly. 5. Because of our proximity to DC, FAA personnel are likely to visit our field to verify that all flyers are registered. Hence, we should carry a copy of the certificate to the field (e.g., in our flight boxes), as well as imprinting the number on all our models. This registration process may or may not be the last infringement of the FAA on our hobby and on us at PGRC, but anyone failing to comply will certainly be jeopardizing the hobby and our continued existence at PGRC Field. After 19 February, only FAA-registered RC pilots will be permitted to fly at PGRC Field. Sometimes, a period of whining can be good for the psyche - there was certainly a good measure of it at the meeting on Tuesday. So go ahead and whine, and get it out of your system. Then register. Regards, (Secretary) -- Ban idiots, not guns! From the AMA today: As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft. Yeah, got that. For anyone else interested: http://tinyurl.com/q5cnz5c "We believe that resolution to the unnecessary federal registration rule for our members rests with AMA's petition before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia." So, we'll see what happens. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 22:04:28 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:51:21 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:57:38 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:15:42 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:35:06 -0500, John H. wrote: Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. I wonder how many people could register as "John Smith, 1600 Pennsylvania avenue Washington DC and Noneofurbizxxxx@hotmail or some other free server" Are they really going to do any kind of background check or verification on the application? Mo money, Mo money === Being untruthful with the government is probably not a good idea. The penalties for that can be far worse than those for flying an unregistered plane. Again, how many people would it take to catch anyone? Anonymous Email accounts, public hot spots etc. We are having trouble tracking terrorists with virtually unlimited resources being thrown at the hunt Mo money Mo money Again what was wrong with the idea of just filing criminal charges against anyone who interferes with aircraft? That should already be something they can do within the current infrastructure. If they don't actually catch the guy with the controller in his hand, they don't have much anyway. A decent lawyer will blow away any case built on a number scratched on a drone that you can deny ever seeing if they can't place you at the scene. (not my drone, lost that drone last year, sold it on craigs list a year ago, threw it in the trash etc) Bear in mind, the drone itself is not even registered. === I view the whole thing as a make work excercise to appease the complaining pilots who have not yet seen an actual threat, nor are they likely to. Lying to the feds is always a bad idea however. That's how they turn suspects into real criminals. I don't think the situation would ever present itself. The person who's going to interfere with aircraft isn't going to have his ID on the aircraft. Surely no one is really that stupid, unless it's ISIS and they're wanting to take credit. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:25:20 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:16:03 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 10:34:48 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote: Letter to all members of Prince Georges RC club: PGRC Members, In case you haven't heard, the FAA is requiring all UAS owners (including AMA members who fly RC) to register with the FAA before 19 February. See AMA District IV VP Jay Marsh's e-mail below. Also see the included links to the FAA press release and AMA's response. Registration requires only your name, address, and e-mail address; and can be done on-line. This was all discussed at the meeting Tuesday night but, if you missed it, here is the gist: 1. The AMA, and we at PGRC, think the FAA's inclusion of AMA members in the registration program is an unnecessary imposition. 2. Nevertheless, we are requiring all PGRC members (and visiting flyers) to register before 19 February, in order to fly at our field. 3. You can register at the FAA website (www.faa.gov/uas/registration) starting 21 December. Registration is free for 30 days after 21 December, and $5 thereafter. Registration is good for 3 years. 4. We will be required to put the FAA registration number on ALL our models that we plan to fly. 5. Because of our proximity to DC, FAA personnel are likely to visit our field to verify that all flyers are registered. Hence, we should carry a copy of the certificate to the field (e.g., in our flight boxes), as well as imprinting the number on all our models. This registration process may or may not be the last infringement of the FAA on our hobby and on us at PGRC, but anyone failing to comply will certainly be jeopardizing the hobby and our continued existence at PGRC Field. After 19 February, only FAA-registered RC pilots will be permitted to fly at PGRC Field. Sometimes, a period of whining can be good for the psyche - there was certainly a good measure of it at the meeting on Tuesday. So go ahead and whine, and get it out of your system. Then register. Regards, (Secretary) -- Ban idiots, not guns! From the AMA today: As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft. Yeah, got that. For anyone else interested: http://tinyurl.com/q5cnz5c "We believe that resolution to the unnecessary federal registration rule for our members rests with AMA's petition before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia." So, we'll see what happens. I predict that they will have around 50-60% compliance in this cycle but it may be more while it is free. By the 2019 cycle, they will either increase enforcement, at great cost and the fees will go up with lots of people opting out or saner minds will prevail and they will scale the program way back. They might just let it die a quiet death if in the 3 years it does not actually provide any help in prosecuting air space violators. There will always be the bureaucratic inertia trying to keep any government program going on forever. We still have a "rural electrification" agency, in spite of the fact that there are very few places off the grid these days and most of those people like it that way. A lot of this reminds me of GHW Bush's boat tax sticker. I don't know anyone who bought one and I only saw them on about half the boats I saw. The local water cops pretty much said this was a federal law and let the feds enforce it. The USCG didn't have the equipment or the man power to do anything effective. After a short while, they just came out and said "never mind". It was one of the "new taxes" he said he would not create and I imagine lost him the vote of every boater. |
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