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Keyser Söze December 11th 15 09:26 PM

What a surprise!
 

A gun linked to last month’s Paris mass shootings has been traced back
to a Florida arms dealer.

The serial number for a M92 semi-automatic pistol linked to the deadly
Nov. 13 terrorist attacks matched one for a weapon delivered by the
Zastava arms factory in May 2013 to Century International Arms in Delray
Beach, reported the Palm Beach Post.

Michael Sucher, the owner of Century Arms, did not answer calls seeking
comment Thursday and the doors to his shop were closed as TV news crews
gathered outside.

Employees leaving the arms dealer’s building did not comment on the
case, and a woman who works next door said she had no idea the business
dealt guns.

Century Arms buys and sells military-grade surplus guns — with a
specialty in buying weapons from overseas and reselling them to dealers
— and is one of the largest arms dealers in the U.S.

The company also holds a federal firearms license in Georgia, Vermont,
to import and build guns and to import destructive devices such as
large-caliber guns and armor-piercing ammunition.

Documents shared by WikiLeaks in 2011 showed Century Arms had illegally
traded firearms with the help of “unauthorized brokers.”

The Center for Public Integrity reported that same year that WASR-10
rifles manufactured for Century Arms in Romania had become a favorite of
Mexican drug cartels.

John Rugg, a former police officer and longtime Century Arms employee,
testified before a U.S. Senate committee in 1987 that the company had
supplied rockets, grenades and other weapons to Nicaraguan rebels as
part of the Iran-Contra scandal.

The export of firearms is heavily regulated, and weapons experts
suggested the weapon may have been illegally transferred.

Century Arms sells to individuals or other businesses with a federal
firearms license, and its website directs most retail traffic to a
network of dealers.

But there are no restrictions on who can obtain those licenses.

The owner of the Zastava arms factory in Serbia that delivered the rifle
to Century Arms said his company did not sell weapons to terrorists.

“Here’s where the weapons ended, there’s the data,” said arms dealer
Milojko Brzakovic. “Zastava cannot be blamed for where it went
afterward. Wherever there are wars, there are bigger possibilities for
abuse and to hide the channels for guns (and) they end up where they
shouldn’t.”

http://tinyurl.com/on9vjrw


I'm...shocked.

[email protected] December 11th 15 10:04 PM

What a surprise!
 
On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 4:26:58 PM UTC-5, Keyser Sze wrote:
A gun linked to last month's Paris mass shootings has been traced back
to a Florida arms dealer.


I'm...shocked.


Why?

"Century Arms sells to individuals or other businesses with a federal
firearms license, and its website directs most retail traffic to a
network of dealers."

So they sold it legally.

"But there are no restrictions on who can obtain those licenses."

And this is total BS. Of course there are restrictions on getting an FFL. Shows the bias that the article was written with.

Paul Hovnanian P.E. December 12th 15 02:00 AM

What a surprise!
 
wrote:

On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 4:26:58 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
A gun linked to last month's Paris mass shootings has been traced back
to a Florida arms dealer.


I'm...shocked.


Why?

"Century Arms sells to individuals or other businesses with a federal
firearms license, and its website directs most retail traffic to a
network of dealers."

So they sold it legally.


Legally in Florida. So how did it get to France? International trafficing in
arms is a whole other layer of regulations and licenses on top of a FFL.

Unless Century Arms is a business along the same lines as Air America (CIA
front). So then the question is: What path did that weapon follow to get
from a legitimate(?) dealer in Florida to ISIS?

I say we investigate. And if anyone in this country is shipping arms to
ISIS, the courts give them the appropriate penalty (death, IIRC).

--
Paul Hovnanian
------------------------------------------------------------------
Our bombs are smarter than the average high school student.
At least they can find Kuwait. - A. Whitney Brown


Alex[_6_] December 12th 15 04:06 AM

What a surprise!
 
Keyser Söze wrote:

A gun linked to last month’s Paris mass shootings has been traced back
to a Florida arms dealer.

The serial number for a M92 semi-automatic pistol linked to the deadly
Nov. 13 terrorist attacks matched one for a weapon delivered by the
Zastava arms factory in May 2013 to Century International Arms in
Delray Beach, reported the Palm Beach Post.

Michael Sucher, the owner of Century Arms, did not answer calls
seeking comment Thursday and the doors to his shop were closed as TV
news crews gathered outside.

Employees leaving the arms dealer’s building did not comment on the
case, and a woman who works next door said she had no idea the
business dealt guns.

Century Arms buys and sells military-grade surplus guns — with a
specialty in buying weapons from overseas and reselling them to
dealers — and is one of the largest arms dealers in the U.S.

The company also holds a federal firearms license in Georgia, Vermont,
to import and build guns and to import destructive devices such as
large-caliber guns and armor-piercing ammunition.

Documents shared by WikiLeaks in 2011 showed Century Arms had
illegally traded firearms with the help of “unauthorized brokers.”

The Center for Public Integrity reported that same year that WASR-10
rifles manufactured for Century Arms in Romania had become a favorite
of Mexican drug cartels.

John Rugg, a former police officer and longtime Century Arms employee,
testified before a U.S. Senate committee in 1987 that the company had
supplied rockets, grenades and other weapons to Nicaraguan rebels as
part of the Iran-Contra scandal.

The export of firearms is heavily regulated, and weapons experts
suggested the weapon may have been illegally transferred.

Century Arms sells to individuals or other businesses with a federal
firearms license, and its website directs most retail traffic to a
network of dealers.

But there are no restrictions on who can obtain those licenses.

The owner of the Zastava arms factory in Serbia that delivered the
rifle to Century Arms said his company did not sell weapons to
terrorists.

“Here’s where the weapons ended, there’s the data,” said arms dealer
Milojko Brzakovic. “Zastava cannot be blamed for where it went
afterward. Wherever there are wars, there are bigger possibilities for
abuse and to hide the channels for guns (and) they end up where they
shouldn’t.”

http://tinyurl.com/on9vjrw


I'm...shocked.


I own a PAP 92PV (Full model number). It's an AK47 pistol - I just
stained the foregrip last month with a nice dark cherry and polyurethane
finish. Century is the importer but there are no reports that they
exported any. Are you suggesting they supported ISIS?

[email protected] December 12th 15 04:39 AM

What a surprise!
 
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 16:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

"The company also holds a federal firearms license in ... Vermont",


Maybe Bernie Sanders was behind this. ;-)

Keyser Söze December 12th 15 12:12 PM

What a surprise!
 
On 12/11/15 9:00 PM, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
wrote:

On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 4:26:58 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
A gun linked to last month's Paris mass shootings has been traced back
to a Florida arms dealer.


I'm...shocked.


Why?

"Century Arms sells to individuals or other businesses with a federal
firearms license, and its website directs most retail traffic to a
network of dealers."

So they sold it legally.


Legally in Florida. So how did it get to France? International trafficing in
arms is a whole other layer of regulations and licenses on top of a FFL.

Unless Century Arms is a business along the same lines as Air America (CIA
front). So then the question is: What path did that weapon follow to get
from a legitimate(?) dealer in Florida to ISIS?

I say we investigate. And if anyone in this country is shipping arms to
ISIS, the courts give them the appropriate penalty (death, IIRC).



Documents shared by WikiLeaks in 2011 showed Century Arms had illegally
traded firearms with the help of “unauthorized brokers.”

The Center for Public Integrity reported that same year that WASR-10
rifles manufactured for Century Arms in Romania had become a favorite of
Mexican drug cartels.

John Rugg, a former police officer and longtime Century Arms employee,
testified before a U.S. Senate committee in 1987 that the company had
supplied rockets, grenades and other weapons to Nicaraguan rebels as
part of the Iran-Contra scandal.

The export of firearms is heavily regulated, and weapons experts
suggested the weapon may have been illegally transferred.


John H.[_5_] December 12th 15 01:03 PM

What a surprise!
 
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 16:26:54 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:


A gun linked to last months Paris mass shootings has been traced back
to a Florida arms dealer.

The serial number for a M92 semi-automatic pistol linked to the deadly
Nov. 13 terrorist attacks matched one for a weapon delivered by the
Zastava arms factory in May 2013 to Century International Arms in Delray
Beach, reported the Palm Beach Post.

Michael Sucher, the owner of Century Arms, did not answer calls seeking
comment Thursday and the doors to his shop were closed as TV news crews
gathered outside.

Employees leaving the arms dealers building did not comment on the
case, and a woman who works next door said she had no idea the business
dealt guns.

Century Arms buys and sells military-grade surplus guns with a
specialty in buying weapons from overseas and reselling them to dealers
and is one of the largest arms dealers in the U.S.

The company also holds a federal firearms license in Georgia, Vermont,
to import and build guns and to import destructive devices such as
large-caliber guns and armor-piercing ammunition.

Documents shared by WikiLeaks in 2011 showed Century Arms had illegally
traded firearms with the help of unauthorized brokers.

The Center for Public Integrity reported that same year that WASR-10
rifles manufactured for Century Arms in Romania had become a favorite of
Mexican drug cartels.

John Rugg, a former police officer and longtime Century Arms employee,
testified before a U.S. Senate committee in 1987 that the company had
supplied rockets, grenades and other weapons to Nicaraguan rebels as
part of the Iran-Contra scandal.

The export of firearms is heavily regulated, and weapons experts
suggested the weapon may have been illegally transferred.

Century Arms sells to individuals or other businesses with a federal
firearms license, and its website directs most retail traffic to a
network of dealers.

But there are no restrictions on who can obtain those licenses.

The owner of the Zastava arms factory in Serbia that delivered the rifle
to Century Arms said his company did not sell weapons to terrorists.

Heres where the weapons ended, theres the data, said arms dealer
Milojko Brzakovic. Zastava cannot be blamed for where it went
afterward. Wherever there are wars, there are bigger possibilities for
abuse and to hide the channels for guns (and) they end up where they
shouldnt.

http://tinyurl.com/on9vjrw


I'm...shocked.


I'm sure you're wondering why your administration did nothing back in 2011 when
Century Arms was illegally trading firearms.

Oh, a key word above is 'suggested'. I'm sure you've tried and convicted Century Arms
based on that word.

--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H.[_5_] December 12th 15 01:04 PM

What a surprise!
 
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 07:12:23 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:

On 12/11/15 9:00 PM, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
wrote:

On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 4:26:58 PM UTC-5, Keyser Sze wrote:
A gun linked to last month's Paris mass shootings has been traced back
to a Florida arms dealer.

I'm...shocked.

Why?

"Century Arms sells to individuals or other businesses with a federal
firearms license, and its website directs most retail traffic to a
network of dealers."

So they sold it legally.


Legally in Florida. So how did it get to France? International trafficing in
arms is a whole other layer of regulations and licenses on top of a FFL.

Unless Century Arms is a business along the same lines as Air America (CIA
front). So then the question is: What path did that weapon follow to get
from a legitimate(?) dealer in Florida to ISIS?

I say we investigate. And if anyone in this country is shipping arms to
ISIS, the courts give them the appropriate penalty (death, IIRC).



Documents shared by WikiLeaks in 2011 showed Century Arms had illegally
traded firearms with the help of unauthorized brokers.

The Center for Public Integrity reported that same year that WASR-10
rifles manufactured for Century Arms in Romania had become a favorite of
Mexican drug cartels.

John Rugg, a former police officer and longtime Century Arms employee,
testified before a U.S. Senate committee in 1987 that the company had
supplied rockets, grenades and other weapons to Nicaraguan rebels as
part of the Iran-Contra scandal.

The export of firearms is heavily regulated, and weapons experts
suggested the weapon may have been illegally transferred.


....and you are 'suggesting' the same.

BFD!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H.[_5_] December 12th 15 01:05 PM

What a surprise!
 
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 23:06:49 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Sze wrote:

A gun linked to last months Paris mass shootings has been traced back
to a Florida arms dealer.

The serial number for a M92 semi-automatic pistol linked to the deadly
Nov. 13 terrorist attacks matched one for a weapon delivered by the
Zastava arms factory in May 2013 to Century International Arms in
Delray Beach, reported the Palm Beach Post.

Michael Sucher, the owner of Century Arms, did not answer calls
seeking comment Thursday and the doors to his shop were closed as TV
news crews gathered outside.

Employees leaving the arms dealers building did not comment on the
case, and a woman who works next door said she had no idea the
business dealt guns.

Century Arms buys and sells military-grade surplus guns with a
specialty in buying weapons from overseas and reselling them to
dealers and is one of the largest arms dealers in the U.S.

The company also holds a federal firearms license in Georgia, Vermont,
to import and build guns and to import destructive devices such as
large-caliber guns and armor-piercing ammunition.

Documents shared by WikiLeaks in 2011 showed Century Arms had
illegally traded firearms with the help of unauthorized brokers.

The Center for Public Integrity reported that same year that WASR-10
rifles manufactured for Century Arms in Romania had become a favorite
of Mexican drug cartels.

John Rugg, a former police officer and longtime Century Arms employee,
testified before a U.S. Senate committee in 1987 that the company had
supplied rockets, grenades and other weapons to Nicaraguan rebels as
part of the Iran-Contra scandal.

The export of firearms is heavily regulated, and weapons experts
suggested the weapon may have been illegally transferred.

Century Arms sells to individuals or other businesses with a federal
firearms license, and its website directs most retail traffic to a
network of dealers.

But there are no restrictions on who can obtain those licenses.

The owner of the Zastava arms factory in Serbia that delivered the
rifle to Century Arms said his company did not sell weapons to
terrorists.

Heres where the weapons ended, theres the data, said arms dealer
Milojko Brzakovic. Zastava cannot be blamed for where it went
afterward. Wherever there are wars, there are bigger possibilities for
abuse and to hide the channels for guns (and) they end up where they
shouldnt.

http://tinyurl.com/on9vjrw


I'm...shocked.


I own a PAP 92PV (Full model number). It's an AK47 pistol - I just
stained the foregrip last month with a nice dark cherry and polyurethane
finish. Century is the importer but there are no reports that they
exported any. Are you suggesting they supported ISIS?


He's very subject to suggestion.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


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