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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/2015 9:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
**** that ****. Your English tutor would cringe if she ever heard you say that. Sheesh! |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:49:31 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: You boys are hysterical. BTW, proper usage, not GOP usage: Democratic mayor, Democratic DA. Or the mayor is a Democrat. Not Democrat Mayor. When he is down to criticizing your grammar, you won. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:22:26 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: I doubt if political party has anything to do with the delays. What do you think the reason is, racism in the DAs office or racism the mayor's office? I am sure you think someone is racist here or you would not have brought it up. You really are starting to sound like a latter day Joe McCarthy, finding racism at every level of government, everywhere you look. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 05:54:22 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers.. "People should be paid based on their performance, not as a group. Unions remove any incentive for an individual to work harder since their salary is not connected to their personal dedication or hard work." Bull**** Ditzy. I worked in a union environment and the negotiated rates were considered a minimum. There was nothing to stop management from giving a bonus to people who stood out over and above the norm. They could also be promoted as the seniority clause only affected the very lowest groups. Maybe Canadian unions are different. In the US, union wages are pretty much based on seniority and that is particularly true in government unions like teachers although there is a bump for degrees, no matter what they are in.. They buy what they sell. If a 4th grade teacher gets a masters degree in astrophysics, they will automatically make more money, even though it does nothing to make them a better 4th grade teacher. If they have been in the business for 20 years they make more than a 25 year old teacher who may be the best teacher in the whole school system. There is no "merit pay" in most school systems and the teacher's union fights it every time it is proposed. The flip side of that is the worst teacher in the system can't be fired unless they are using drugs at school or ****ing one of the kids and even then the union will fight for them. In some places, the union will win. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:00:43 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/27/15 1:06 AM, wrote: A sargent is not going to make a murder beef go away or even delay it longer than he can sit on a document. If the DA is pushing, that will not be very long. There were news reports of a cop going to a private business and erasing video tapes. Don't know the ranking of that cop, but he probably was not a patrolman. That sounds like obstruction of justice and it could be there are more indictments coming down. Again another reason not to rush to judgement. If you really want to clean out a corrupt police department, and CPD qualifies for that, you need to investigate. Time is on their side. If they had not dragged out the Watergate investigations for 2 1/2 years, Nixon would have left office in 1977 as a hero and we know you would not have wanted that to happen. |
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 11/27/2015 11:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
"Democrat" the way he used it is used as a pejorative by Republicans. It's not grammar, per se; it's a slur. Democrat is a slur any way you use the word. A self inflicted wound by all you democrats. As it were. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:49:20 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/27/15 11:19 AM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:49:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: You boys are hysterical. BTW, proper usage, not GOP usage: Democratic mayor, Democratic DA. Or the mayor is a Democrat. Not Democrat Mayor. When he is down to criticizing your grammar, you won. "Democrat" the way he used it is used as a pejorative by Republicans. It's not grammar, per se; it's a slur. Only to people who are looking for a reason to be offended. Perhaps it is just because some people have trouble calling some of the policies advocated by democrats, "democratic". I do find it ironic that the people most offended by "democrat" being used as an adjective are the ones most opposed to democracy. Ask yourself, should we put gay marriage up for a vote? I didn't think so. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. |
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On 11/27/2015 7:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/15 4:49 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:32 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote: On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:- On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: - On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:- On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? --- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either.- Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that. It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment. It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is possible and manslaughter is reasonable. Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway. - It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released. Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes in hand. Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras. The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh? I wonder if the cop will cop a plea. Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within 60 days if even that long. Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ? Not so. Just being "fair and balanced". Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up? If there *was* a cover up, by whom? It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide. And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause? Poor old Harry has painted himself into the proverbial corner. The "higher ups" are either the appointed officials or the union leaders. You have no idea who they are or where they are in the pecking order. A higher up could be a sergeant. Do you suppose this hypothetical sergeant kept the whole affair a big secret from the Democrat DA and the Democrat Mayor? You boys are hysterical. BTW, proper usage, not GOP usage: Democratic mayor, Democratic DA. Or the mayor is a Democrat. Not Democrat Mayor. Sorry. I posted it exactly as I meant it. You can do the same. |
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On 11/27/2015 11:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/15 11:19 AM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:49:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: You boys are hysterical. BTW, proper usage, not GOP usage: Democratic mayor, Democratic DA. Or the mayor is a Democrat. Not Democrat Mayor. When he is down to criticizing your grammar, you won. "Democrat" the way he used it is used as a pejorative by Republicans. It's not grammar, per se; it's a slur. A "slur"? Funny, especially from you. I used "Democrat Mayor" and "Democrat DA" purposely. You know why. You just don't like it ... ergo ... "slur". Ha ha ha. |
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On 11/27/2015 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:49:20 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 11:19 AM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:49:31 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: You boys are hysterical. BTW, proper usage, not GOP usage: Democratic mayor, Democratic DA. Or the mayor is a Democrat. Not Democrat Mayor. When he is down to criticizing your grammar, you won. "Democrat" the way he used it is used as a pejorative by Republicans. It's not grammar, per se; it's a slur. Only to people who are looking for a reason to be offended. Perhaps it is just because some people have trouble calling some of the policies advocated by democrats, "democratic". I do find it ironic that the people most offended by "democrat" being used as an adjective are the ones most opposed to democracy. Ask yourself, should we put gay marriage up for a vote? I didn't think so. Bottom line is: Democrats are not necessarily democratic. |
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On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. |
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On 11/27/15 12:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. -- Well, hell, they got rid of you as a teacher. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ....but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. === Harry the schmuck blasts out yet another brain fart. It's too bad that more people don't make an attempt to understand their school budgets. They'd be appalled at how much gets spent to support obscure special programs that benefit very few people - some of which are federally mandated but funded locally. Public schools have turned into a massive care system for children of all abilities with actual education a second priority. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. It is not hard to understand when they break out where the money is being spent. I am sorry that you underestimate the abilities of people you disagree with but that does not make them wrong. |
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On 11/27/2015 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. It is not hard to understand when they break out where the money is being spent. I am sorry that you underestimate the abilities of people you disagree with but that does not make them wrong. Harry cracks me up. When the subject is global warming or creationism, math, science and statistics reign but when it comes to a social issue dear to his heart, math, science and statistics go out the window and the insults start. You are absolutely correct. Two of our kids went to public high schools, the third went to a highly rated private high school. I just looked up the current public school budget and the "cost per pupil" for the long list of budgetary line items. Then I looked up the current tuition (inclusive of all student fees) for the private school our third kid graduated from. The total "cost per pupil" is actually slightly higher in the public school than the tuition for the private. The private has a statistical record of the highest percentage of graduates continuing on to college and also has the higher average SAT scores. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 15:53:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: The total "cost per pupil" is actually slightly higher in the public school than the tuition for the private. The private has a statistical record of the highest percentage of graduates continuing on to college and also has the higher average SAT scores. === Private schools have a big advantage in the area of quality vs dollars. Most importantly they don't have to accept or retain everyone. That gets rid of the high cost or disruptive "problem" students. Additionally they don't have to fund all of the high cost "feel good" programs mandated by the feds. |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:32:34 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote: On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:- On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: - On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:- On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? --- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either.- Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that. It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment. It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is possible and manslaughter is reasonable. Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway. - It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released. Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes in hand. Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras. The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh? I wonder if the cop will cop a plea. Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within 60 days if even that long. Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ? Not so. Just being "fair and balanced". Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up? If there *was* a cover up, by whom? It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide. And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause? Poor old Harry has painted himself into the proverbial corner. The "higher ups" are either the appointed officials or the union leaders. You have no idea who they are or where they are in the pecking order. A higher up could be a sergeant. Who appoints the sergeants, lieutenants, captains, etc. It all comes from the top, Krause. And if the city council and/or mayor is corrupt, as we know they are in Chicago, then the corruptness rolls downhill. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:37:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:32 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote: On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:- On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: - On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:- On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? --- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either.- Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that. It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment. It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is possible and manslaughter is reasonable. Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway. - It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released. Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes in hand. Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras. The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh? I wonder if the cop will cop a plea. Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within 60 days if even that long. Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ? Not so. Just being "fair and balanced". Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up? If there *was* a cover up, by whom? It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide. And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause? Poor old Harry has painted himself into the proverbial corner. The "higher ups" are either the appointed officials or the union leaders. You have no idea who they are or where they are in the pecking order. A higher up could be a sergeant. Do you suppose this hypothetical sergeant kept the whole affair a big secret from the Democrat DA and the Democrat Mayor? Your shots in the dark are as usual humorous. But you didn't answer the question, did you? (It wasn't about your Vietnam 'experience', you know.) -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:22:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2015 7:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:32 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote: On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:- On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: - On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:- On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? --- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either.- Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that. It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment. It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is possible and manslaughter is reasonable. Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway. - It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released. Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes in hand. Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras. The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh? I wonder if the cop will cop a plea. Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within 60 days if even that long. Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ? Not so. Just being "fair and balanced". Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up? If there *was* a cover up, by whom? It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide. And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause? Poor old Harry has painted himself into the proverbial corner. The "higher ups" are either the appointed officials or the union leaders. You have no idea who they are or where they are in the pecking order. A higher up could be a sergeant. Do you suppose this hypothetical sergeant kept the whole affair a big secret from the Democrat DA and the Democrat Mayor? Your shots in the dark are as usual humorous. Harry, if this event occurred in a city with a Republican mayor, and a Republican DA and it took 13-14 months to charge the cop, you would be screaming for their heads. I doubt if political party has anything to do with the delays. Doubt but don't know. Methinks you may have a bit of doubt, which is probably outweighed by the probability that politics played a role. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:30:36 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 11/27/2015 8:22 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2015 7:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:32 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote: On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:- On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: - On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:- On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? --- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either.- Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that. It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment. It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is possible and manslaughter is reasonable. Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway. - It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released. Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes in hand. Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras. The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh? I wonder if the cop will cop a plea. Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within 60 days if even that long. Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ? Not so. Just being "fair and balanced". Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up? If there *was* a cover up, by whom? It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide. And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause? Poor old Harry has painted himself into the proverbial corner. The "higher ups" are either the appointed officials or the union leaders. You have no idea who they are or where they are in the pecking order. A higher up could be a sergeant. Do you suppose this hypothetical sergeant kept the whole affair a big secret from the Democrat DA and the Democrat Mayor? Your shots in the dark are as usual humorous. Harry, if this event occurred in a city with a Republican mayor, and a Republican DA and it took 13-14 months to charge the cop, you would be screaming for their heads. I doubt if political party has anything to do with the delays. Except that all the corrupt officials involved are democrats. But that's just coincidental. As John would say,"You are a joke Krause" Questions are getting too hard for him. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:40:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? -- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either. Point to ponder: In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396 blacks were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area. Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either? You don't "get it," either, eh? Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do. I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence. We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh? How many by suicide? How many black on black? How many while a crime was being committed? How many with drug involvement? How many accidental? How many by illegal immigrants? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a clue as to what it implies. Am I right, O' clueless one? That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions asked are easily answered with a little digging. When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera. Bull****. You're in a corner and can't answer 'cause you'd look even more the fool. Has nothing to do with Jim. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:44:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 11/26/2015 9:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? -- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either. Point to ponder: In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396 blacks were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area. Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either? You don't "get it," either, eh? Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do. I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence. We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh? How many by suicide? How many black on black? How many while a crime was being committed? How many with drug involvement? How many accidental? How many by illegal immigrants? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a clue as to what it implies. Am I right, O' clueless one? That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions asked are easily answered with a little digging. When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera. I really find that hard to believe, Harry. Only 'cause it's unbelievable. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. And how many school board budgets have you analyzed, oh omniscient one? -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:59:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/15 12:02 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. -- Well, hell, they got rid of you as a teacher. Because I retired? What a stupid comment. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/15 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. It is not hard to understand when they break out where the money is being spent. I am sorry that you underestimate the abilities of people you disagree with but that does not make them wrong. Harry cracks me up. When the subject is global warming or creationism, math, science and statistics reign but when it comes to a social issue dear to his heart, math, science and statistics go out the window and the insults start. You are absolutely correct. Two of our kids went to public high schools, the third went to a highly rated private high school. I just looked up the current public school budget and the "cost per pupil" for the long list of budgetary line items. Then I looked up the current tuition (inclusive of all student fees) for the private school our third kid graduated from. The total "cost per pupil" is actually slightly higher in the public school than the tuition for the private. The private has a statistical record of the highest percentage of graduates continuing on to college and also has the higher average SAT scores. It is a bit naive to compare cost per pupil between public and private schools, since public schools in the main pay their staffs decently, and are also burdened with trying to correct most of the ills of society dumped on kids with impoverished parents, have to provide programs for intellectually and emotionally challenged kids, and don't have the advantage of cherry picking their students. But, hey, it's just math, right? |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/15 5:44 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:59:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:02 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. -- Well, hell, they got rid of you as a teacher. Because I retired? What a stupid comment. -- Call it whatever you want. |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/15 5:40 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. And how many school board budgets have you analyzed, oh omniscient one? -- Quite a few when I worked for the NEA, oh, retarded one. |
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On 11/27/15 5:38 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:44:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? -- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either. Point to ponder: In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396 blacks were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area. Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either? You don't "get it," either, eh? Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do. I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence. We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh? How many by suicide? How many black on black? How many while a crime was being committed? How many with drug involvement? How many accidental? How many by illegal immigrants? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a clue as to what it implies. Am I right, O' clueless one? That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions asked are easily answered with a little digging. When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera. I really find that hard to believe, Harry. Only 'cause it's unbelievable. -- Ban idiots, not guns! 99.9% of FlaJim's comments here are totally devoid of content, which is one reason of many not to bother with them. |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/2015 6:52 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/15 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. It is not hard to understand when they break out where the money is being spent. I am sorry that you underestimate the abilities of people you disagree with but that does not make them wrong. Harry cracks me up. When the subject is global warming or creationism, math, science and statistics reign but when it comes to a social issue dear to his heart, math, science and statistics go out the window and the insults start. You are absolutely correct. Two of our kids went to public high schools, the third went to a highly rated private high school. I just looked up the current public school budget and the "cost per pupil" for the long list of budgetary line items. Then I looked up the current tuition (inclusive of all student fees) for the private school our third kid graduated from. The total "cost per pupil" is actually slightly higher in the public school than the tuition for the private. The private has a statistical record of the highest percentage of graduates continuing on to college and also has the higher average SAT scores. It is a bit naive to compare cost per pupil between public and private schools, since public schools in the main pay their staffs decently, and are also burdened with trying to correct most of the ills of society dumped on kids with impoverished parents, have to provide programs for intellectually and emotionally challenged kids, and don't have the advantage of cherry picking their students. But, hey, it's just math, right? Good grief. You are hopeless. |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/2015 6:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/15 5:38 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:44:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? -- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either. Point to ponder: In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396 blacks were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area. Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either? You don't "get it," either, eh? Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do. I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence. We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh? How many by suicide? How many black on black? How many while a crime was being committed? How many with drug involvement? How many accidental? How many by illegal immigrants? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a clue as to what it implies. Am I right, O' clueless one? That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions asked are easily answered with a little digging. When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera. I really find that hard to believe, Harry. Only 'cause it's unbelievable. -- Ban idiots, not guns! 99.9% of FlaJim's comments here are totally devoid of content, which is one reason of many not to bother with them. Just the other day you said you only saw a miniscule number of his posts and only when they are quoted by others. Now you say that 99.9% of his posts are totally devoid of content. How do you know that if you only see a small fraction of them? |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 18:53:37 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: Well, hell, they got rid of you as a teacher. Because I retired? What a stupid comment. -- Call it whatever you want. === Why did the NEA get rid of you? That seems like it should have been a good gig for your talents. |
Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/15 7:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2015 6:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 5:38 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:44:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? -- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either. Point to ponder: In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396 blacks were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area. Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either? You don't "get it," either, eh? Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do. I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence. We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh? How many by suicide? How many black on black? How many while a crime was being committed? How many with drug involvement? How many accidental? How many by illegal immigrants? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a clue as to what it implies. Am I right, O' clueless one? That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions asked are easily answered with a little digging. When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera. I really find that hard to believe, Harry. Only 'cause it's unbelievable. -- Ban idiots, not guns! 99.9% of FlaJim's comments here are totally devoid of content, which is one reason of many not to bother with them. Just the other day you said you only saw a miniscule number of his posts and only when they are quoted by others. Now you say that 99.9% of his posts are totally devoid of content. How do you know that if you only see a small fraction of them? I'm extrapolating from the few I see and I'm recalling some of what he posted in the past. |
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