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Man, France is kicking ass and taking names.
Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. |
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France is taking this very seriously. Berlin and London should do the same.
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. French law USA lot looser than our law. Russia is a dictatorship. What precisely should we be doing? -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On 11/18/2015 10:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. French law USA lot looser than our law. Russia is a dictatorship. What precisely should we be doing? Your knee jerk prejudice is showing. I didn't say anything about what the USA is or isn't doing. |
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On 11/18/2015 10:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. French law USA lot looser than our law. Russia is a dictatorship. What precisely should we be doing? Preparing to be attacked. O'Bama was warned they are coming. What will he do to protect these United States of America from ISIS. What will he do? Oh crap! He already said he is doing all that he can do. Evacuate Washington while there's still time. Snerk! |
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On 11/18/15 11:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/18/2015 10:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. French law USA lot looser than our law. Russia is a dictatorship. What precisely should we be doing? Your knee jerk prejudice is showing. I didn't say anything about what the USA is or isn't doing. Knee jerk? The French declare a state of emergency, which is proper, and suspend civil liberties. That's factual. |
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On 11/18/2015 12:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/18/15 11:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/18/2015 10:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. French law USA lot looser than our law. Russia is a dictatorship. What precisely should we be doing? Your knee jerk prejudice is showing. I didn't say anything about what the USA is or isn't doing. Knee jerk? The French declare a state of emergency, which is proper, and suspend civil liberties. That's factual. You said, "What precisely should *we* be doing?" I didn't say anything about what we are or are not doing. |
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. French law USA lot looser than our law. Russia is a dictatorship. What precisely should we be doing? Nepoleonic law. Guilty until proven innocent. Not looser. |
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:29:10 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/18/15 11:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/18/2015 10:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. French law USA lot looser than our law. Russia is a dictatorship. What precisely should we be doing? Your knee jerk prejudice is showing. I didn't say anything about what the USA is or isn't doing. Knee jerk? The French declare a state of emergency, which is proper, and suspend civil liberties. That's factual. Ray Kelly (NYPD) was on Charley Rose the other day talking about the attacks and he says the biggest problem they have surveilling these people is cracking into their communications. They are using encrypted apps on their phones that we can't crack in anything like real time. I do think they are trying to make Paris look more complicated than it was. Coordinating several attacks is pretty easy with everyone carrying a phone, even if they are not in direct contact with each other. This was basically a "flash mob" with weapons. This "security vs privacy" thing is not new. Over 20 years ago one of my customers (Addison Fischer) testified in front of congress about encryption. He told me the government wants business to have strong encryption but the government wants the key. That was essentially what Ray Kelly said he wants for all of the phone apps. |
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:06:24 -0500, wrote:
Ray Kelly (NYPD) was on Charley Rose the other day CORRECTION, that was John Miller (NYPD) |
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:01:47 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. French law USA lot looser than our law. Russia is a dictatorship. What precisely should we be doing? Nepoleonic law. Guilty until proven innocent. Not looser. They are also a little less worried about due process, warrants, probable cause etc. There is an ingrained prejudice against muslims from the French population that would make Donald proud. |
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On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. |
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:53:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You now have something against name-calling? I don't think I did so in my post. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. |
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On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Yup, you can not answer, so another brain fart. Did you have to go to a 3rd rate University cause of lack of brains? |
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On 11/18/2015 2:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Priceless rebuttal Krause. |
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On 11/18/15 3:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Yup, you can not answer, so another brain fart. Did you have to go to a 3rd rate University cause of lack of brains? What was it, a whole decade in Vietnam fighting a fourth-rate military force? Don't blame the pols... |
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On 11/18/2015 4:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/18/15 3:18 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Yup, you can not answer, so another brain fart. Did you have to go to a 3rd rate University cause of lack of brains? What was it, a whole decade in Vietnam fighting a fourth-rate military force? Don't blame the pols... Who was the "forth-rate" military force? The USA? |
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On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 4:11:16 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/18/2015 4:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 3:18 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Yup, you can not answer, so another brain fart. Did you have to go to a 3rd rate University cause of lack of brains? What was it, a whole decade in Vietnam fighting a fourth-rate military force? Don't blame the pols... Who was the "forth-rate" military force? The USA? LOL! |
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Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 4:11:16 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/18/2015 4:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 3:18 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Yup, you can not answer, so another brain fart. Did you have to go to a 3rd rate University cause of lack of brains? What was it, a whole decade in Vietnam fighting a fourth-rate military force? Don't blame the pols... Who was the "forth-rate" military force? The USA? LOL! The pols? |
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On 11/18/15 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/18/2015 4:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 3:18 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Yup, you can not answer, so another brain fart. Did you have to go to a 3rd rate University cause of lack of brains? What was it, a whole decade in Vietnam fighting a fourth-rate military force? Don't blame the pols... Who was the "forth-rate" military force? The USA? You'd think that we were the first rate military force, what with the number of personnel, the amount of armament, et cetera, and the nearly 10 years of large-scale warmaking we devoted to the effort. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/18/15 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/18/2015 4:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 3:18 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Yup, you can not answer, so another brain fart. Did you have to go to a 3rd rate University cause of lack of brains? What was it, a whole decade in Vietnam fighting a fourth-rate military force? Don't blame the pols... Who was the "forth-rate" military force? The USA? You'd think that we were the first rate military force, what with the number of personnel, the amount of armament, et cetera, and the nearly 10 years of large-scale warmaking we devoted to the effort. Did not really make large scale warfare. Was more defend villages. Look how long before we were even allowed to bomb the North. |
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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:53:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You now have something against name-calling? I don't think I did so in my post. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's right and you are wrong - in his screwed up mind. |
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On 11/18/2015 6:44 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/18/15 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/18/2015 4:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 3:18 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 2:34 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/18/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:04:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Man, France is kicking ass and taking names. Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. They both have some balls. Our president is too busy playing Harry Krause, i.e., saying Muslims aren't to blame for anything. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Oh, well, name-calling, that'll solve it. I don't know why you are offering up opinions on warfare. You lost the one you were in. You should get a university education in history and logic. The military won most battles. After Tet the VC were pretty much finished. But the politicians whose mismanagement of the war over the years, and the pressure of the citizenry over that mismanagement basically pulled us out and declared an end. Was not th military who lost. yada yada yada Yup, you can not answer, so another brain fart. Did you have to go to a 3rd rate University cause of lack of brains? What was it, a whole decade in Vietnam fighting a fourth-rate military force? Don't blame the pols... Who was the "forth-rate" military force? The USA? You'd think that we were the first rate military force, what with the number of personnel, the amount of armament, et cetera, and the nearly 10 years of large-scale warmaking we devoted to the effort. My question to you asking "who was the fourth-rate military force" was intended to point out the lack of logic in your comment, "Don't blame the pols ..." You seem to be arguing that the world's strongest military couldn't defeat a fourth-rate military over a period of 10 years. Of course it could have, if it were not for the micromanagement and restrictions placed upon it by the "pols" during the period. This is probably the greatest complaint of Vietnam Vets. The US military easily won virtually every battle it fought but was not allowed to *win* the war. Vietnam was fought much like how the Korean War was fought ... not to "win" ... but to maintain the status quo without it escalating into a war between the backing principles. The politicians controlled the effort, not the military. The military is organized, designed and equipped to win. If it can't, it's not due to lack of capability as you imply. To think otherwise is twisted logic for purposes other than for the truth. |
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 16:53:07 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: What was it, a whole decade in Vietnam fighting a fourth-rate military force? Don't blame the pols... They had the same problem we have had in all of our middle east misadventures. Nobody really defines what a win would entail. We took Baghdad and hanged the dictator but we didn't win the war. A decade later, we still haven't. That is the way it is when you get involved in civil wars with 3d world cultures. |
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:44:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: Who was the "forth-rate" military force? The USA? You'd think that we were the first rate military force, what with the number of personnel, the amount of armament, et cetera, and the nearly 10 years of large-scale warmaking we devoted to the effort. Pure "force" does not win that sort of war. It is the same in the case of ISIS. There is nothing we could bomb or no territory that we could take that would eliminate an idea that really lives on the internet. That is where the neocons, D and R are just wrong. |
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Man, France is kicking ass and taking names.
Media is reporting over 400 raids, over 70 arrests, seizure of guns, ammo, even rocket launchers. Russians aren't watching from the sidelines either. ...... Looks like Venezuela and the Turks are paying attention and trying an in house cleaning before anyone gets a pass. |
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:12:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
Honduras too http://m.voanews.com/a/honduras-syri...s/3063980.html No sweat. Those folks aren't looking to cause trouble. Just listen to Hillary and Barack. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:12:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: Honduras too http://m.voanews.com/a/honduras-syri...s/3063980.html There was a guy on TV the other day saying ISIS captured thousands of blank Syrian passports in one of the places they took so we have that to look forward to. I assume the State department has figured out any Syrian passport may be bogus but who knows. |
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:12:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: Honduras too http://m.voanews.com/a/honduras-syri...s/3063980.html There was a guy on TV the other day saying ISIS captured thousands of blank Syrian passports in one of the places they took so we have that to look forward to. I assume the State department has figured out any Syrian passport may be bogus but who knows. ....... 'Who knows' or possibly 'who cares?" |
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