Debate
 

On 11/11/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 4:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need
to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he got
wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.


FDR cut the military budget by 53% to fund the first part of the "New
Deal".

Japan decided it was time to attack. Germany declared a few days later.
Both assumed the US was too weak militarily to respond.





I don't believe Japan's decision that it was time to attack had to do
with any perceived military weakness in the United States. The Japanese
knew the order of battle of U.S. forces in the Pacific and the ability
of U.S. industrial plants to turn out whatever was needed in relatively
short order. In any event, the U.S. managed to hand Japan a decisive
defeat at the battle of Midway about six months after the Pearl Harbor
attack.


I was referencing comments that were made in the recent "Hunting Hitler"
episode (that had nothing to do with hunting for Hitler).

The documentary stated that one of the reasons Japan decided to strike
when they did was because of a perceived weakness in the USA's readiness
for war. This perception was due partly to the reduction
in military spending, starting in 1934 by FDR. FDR's predecessor,
Hubert Hoover's military spending was about 16% of the federal budget.
When FDR assumed office he slashed that to about 8% of the budget.

Debate
 

On 11/11/15 6:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:55:20 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/11/15 5:19 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 4:36:12 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he got wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.

Mike made several points aliens, jobs, economy, spending, debt, etc. With which of those points do you disagree? You sidestepped the question.


The discussion was about "the debate," not Mike's "points," thank you
very much.

"The debate" revolved around the "points" presented by Mike. You're welcome very
much. So where's your response, or do you, as I think, agree with his statement?
--


Frankly, I never give much consideration to Mike's points, because they
mostly are lifted from Fox News or other dubious right-wing sources. As
I stated, the GOPers in the debate presented no workable solutions for
the problems this country faces. If they do, I'll be glad to discuss
them. Note the word *workable.*

Oh, and I don't play your stupid games here, Johnnymop. Haven't you
figured that out yet, after all these times of being stomped back down
into the sludge bucket?

Debate
 

On 11/11/15 6:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 4:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the
economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need
to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the
workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a
terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military
spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not
real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he got
wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we
need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.


FDR cut the military budget by 53% to fund the first part of the "New
Deal".

Japan decided it was time to attack. Germany declared a few days later.
Both assumed the US was too weak militarily to respond.





I don't believe Japan's decision that it was time to attack had to do
with any perceived military weakness in the United States. The Japanese
knew the order of battle of U.S. forces in the Pacific and the ability
of U.S. industrial plants to turn out whatever was needed in relatively
short order. In any event, the U.S. managed to hand Japan a decisive
defeat at the battle of Midway about six months after the Pearl Harbor
attack.


I was referencing comments that were made in the recent "Hunting Hitler"
episode (that had nothing to do with hunting for Hitler).

The documentary stated that one of the reasons Japan decided to strike
when they did was because of a perceived weakness in the USA's readiness
for war. This perception was due partly to the reduction
in military spending, starting in 1934 by FDR. FDR's predecessor,
Hubert Hoover's military spending was about 16% of the federal budget.
When FDR assumed office he slashed that to about 8% of the budget.


Oh, didn't see that program, wouldn't take seriously a program called
"Hunting for Hitler," unless it had to do with finding his remains after
he and his significant other offed themselves.

Debate
 

On 11/11/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 6:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 4:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the
economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need
to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs
more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the
workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a
terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military
spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax
it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not
real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he
got
wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we
need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who
suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.


FDR cut the military budget by 53% to fund the first part of the "New
Deal".

Japan decided it was time to attack. Germany declared a few days
later.
Both assumed the US was too weak militarily to respond.





I don't believe Japan's decision that it was time to attack had to do
with any perceived military weakness in the United States. The Japanese
knew the order of battle of U.S. forces in the Pacific and the ability
of U.S. industrial plants to turn out whatever was needed in relatively
short order. In any event, the U.S. managed to hand Japan a decisive
defeat at the battle of Midway about six months after the Pearl Harbor
attack.


I was referencing comments that were made in the recent "Hunting Hitler"
episode (that had nothing to do with hunting for Hitler).

The documentary stated that one of the reasons Japan decided to strike
when they did was because of a perceived weakness in the USA's readiness
for war. This perception was due partly to the reduction
in military spending, starting in 1934 by FDR. FDR's predecessor,
Hubert Hoover's military spending was about 16% of the federal budget.
When FDR assumed office he slashed that to about 8% of the budget.


Oh, didn't see that program, wouldn't take seriously a program called
"Hunting for Hitler," unless it had to do with finding his remains after
he and his significant other offed themselves.


In interests of full disclosure, I only saw that one episode. I
believe it is a series on the "History Channel" and perhaps subsequent
episodes are more focused on theories of what happened to Hitler after
the war ... assuming anything other than the official, historical
records state.

The episode I saw covered the years following WWI and leading up to
WWII. It covered Hitler's activities ... his prison time and rise to
power in the German National Socialist Party, but also discussed the
influences of the Great Depression and actions taken by Hoover, FDR,
Chamberlain and Churchill. The cuts in military spending by FDR was
cited as a major factor in the Japanese decision to attack. They
actually thought they could defeat us before we could recover and respond.

Debate
 

amdx wrote:
On 11/11/2015 6:16 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/10/15 11:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:24:32 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

- show quoted text -
I watched a bit of the so-called "undercard." Bobby Jindal is an ass.
.....

I'm watching "Iwo Jima: From Combat to Comrades"

Very fitting for today

We hung out by the pool, with the tunes. If there was anything
interesting, it will be all over the TV for a week.


You didn't miss much. Carson flip-flopped on increasing the minimum
wage. Bush woke up for a few minutes. Cruz said he had five federal
agencies he wanted to close but couldn't name them. Not sure what Paul
said, so it wasn't memorable. Rubio wants more military so we can fight
more wars. Fiorina's mouth moved. Kasich tried too hard. Trump wants to
round up 11 million "aliens" and bus them to Auschwitz. That's about it.


Gee, what a surprise analysis by Foad.
If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need to
be higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs
more pages of regulations, government should take more from the
workers in taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a
terrorist attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military
spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

Oh, they all had budget and deficit busting plans to lower taxes for
the
rich.


The rich are who pay the taxes, the top 10% pay almost 68% of taxes,
the bottom 50% only paid 3% of the taxes. (2011)
Have you analyzed your federal tax bill?
I only pay 2% to 3% in federal taxes.
Figure $80K of income, two SEP's $7,500, an HSA $7,650, $12,400
standard deduction, deduction for 1/2 of FICA paid, about $6,000,
3 dependent deductions at $3,900 ea. this totals $52,750.
If you subtract $52750 from $80,000 you have $27,250 of taxable
income. Tax table says tax due of $3181, however with a college
tuition tax credit of $1,351, that leaves $1,830 of federal taxes due.
1830 / 80,000 = 2.3% tax rate on $80,000.
I probably missed some deductions, this was off the top of my head.
I don't feel I need a lower tax rate, give it to the guy paying $100,000
tax bill.
What is your Federal tax percentage? Do you really need a tax cut?
Mikek

Mikek


His is zero, of course. That's why he is entitled to an opinion.

Debate
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 4:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he got
wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.


FDR cut the military budget by 53% to fund the first part of the "New Deal".

Japan decided it was time to attack. Germany declared a few days later.
Both assumed the US was too weak militarily to respond.






And least 1/2 the military budget is jobs programs for the country.

Debate
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he got wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.


What are the Democratic candidates plans?

Debate
 

On 11/11/2015 9:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he got wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.


What are the Democratic candidates plans?

Besides touching up her roots and getting botox injections in her
cheeks? Good question?

Debate
 

On 11/12/2015 6:36 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 11/11/2015 9:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need
to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he
got wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.


What are the Democratic candidates plans?

Besides touching up her roots and getting botox injections in her
cheeks? Good question?

Do you think Bill is secretly hoping she goes to jail so he has free
reign chasing tail?

Mikek

Debate
 

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 07:43:30 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 11/12/2015 6:36 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 11/11/2015 9:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 4:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need
to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he
got wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


The GOPer wannabes did not present workable solutions to any of the
problems facing this country. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not
solve these problems, it simply puts more wealth they don't need in
their pockets. The funniest one, though, is the implication that we need
to spend more on the military. Wasn't it that idiot Rubio who suggested
that? We do need to spend more on care for veterans, but the money for
that can easily be found within the existing military budget, which
should be gradually cut by at least 50%.


What are the Democratic candidates plans?

Besides touching up her roots and getting botox injections in her
cheeks? Good question?

Do you think Bill is secretly hoping she goes to jail so he has free
reign chasing tail?

Mikek

I hear he's been eyeballing that Jenner guy...gal...whatever.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!