On 11/7/15 2:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted. Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then Carson
could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time that
there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military (at
least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA. As
a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was shocked.
Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd alternate
for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.


But he believes in the literal bible, so what else matters to his
supporters?

On 11/7/2015 6:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/7/15 2:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then Carson
could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time that
there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military (at
least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA. As
a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was shocked.
Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd alternate
for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.


But he believes in the literal bible, so what else matters to his
supporters?


Don't fret. Carson will never be POTUS. He won't be the GOP nominee
either.

Now, this may shock you:

Just like how the liberal side conveniently left out "illegal" when
bashing Trump and his comments about (illegal) immigrants, the right
conveniently leaves out the word "democratic" when describing Bernie
as a socialist. I don't think many people know the difference between
a socialist and a "democratic socialist".

The lawyer friend I have and I have discussed this from time to time.
He considers himself a democratic socialist.

If "democratic socialist" simply means that the welfare and interests of
a nation's citizens comes before the welfare and interests of large
corporations, politicians or special interest groups, then include me in
the "democratic socialist" category. :-)

On 11/7/2015 7:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/7/2015 6:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/7/15 2:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then Carson
could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time that
there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military (at
least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA. As
a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was shocked.
Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd alternate
for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.


But he believes in the literal bible, so what else matters to his
supporters?


Don't fret. Carson will never be POTUS. He won't be the GOP nominee
either.

Now, this may shock you:

Just like how the liberal side conveniently left out "illegal" when
bashing Trump and his comments about (illegal) immigrants, the right
conveniently leaves out the word "democratic" when describing Bernie
as a socialist. I don't think many people know the difference between
a socialist and a "democratic socialist".

The lawyer friend I have and I have discussed this from time to time. He
considers himself a democratic socialist.

If "democratic socialist" simply means that the welfare and interests of
a nation's citizens comes before the welfare and interests of large
corporations, politicians or special interest groups, then include me in
the "democratic socialist" category. :-)


You don't get to officially define words. You're too dumb for that.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 07:06:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Now, this may shock you:

Just like how the liberal side conveniently left out "illegal" when
bashing Trump and his comments about (illegal) immigrants, the right
conveniently leaves out the word "democratic" when describing Bernie
as a socialist. I don't think many people know the difference between
a socialist and a "democratic socialist".

The lawyer friend I have and I have discussed this from time to time.
He considers himself a democratic socialist.

If "democratic socialist" simply means that the welfare and interests of
a nation's citizens comes before the welfare and interests of large
corporations, politicians or special interest groups, then include me in
the "democratic socialist" category. :-)


Everyone from the nazis to the soviets have thrown the name
"socialist" around when describing themselves. I really look at what
they want to do, not what they call themselves.
My only real problem with Bernie is he underestimates the amount of
taxes necessary to fund the government programs he advocates and he
underestimates the inflationary impact of his $15 minimum wage.
Other than that, he is a Libertarian.


As for Carson, I do find it ironic that people are now saying he isn't
"thuggish" enough to run as a black man and are questioning his
alleged violent past