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[email protected] October 31st 15 05:58 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
I normally avoid making political posts here but I just received this
summary of Hillary's past history and it was just too good to pass up:

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When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume
authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and
intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democrat-controlled
congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million
in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female
attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba
Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration.
Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as
“my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision
to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco,
Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of
the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a
little probing led to the discovered of Ms. Guanier’s radical views,
her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some
more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for
the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and
William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went
well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide,
and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary
wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry
Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She
managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their
reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month
investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a
crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White
House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two
hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend
a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of
Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated
for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies
(Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff,
suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone
and, of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.
Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office
after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual
harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the
“bimbo eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable
decisions in the debacle we

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After
the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.
She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the
appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million
dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to
Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his
affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to
practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his
subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice
during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I
have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while
under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an
estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that
she had stolen.

What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type
low-life mess?

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails
while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of
the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next. But
to her loyal fans - “what difference does it make?”
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[email protected] October 31st 15 07:45 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:58:43 -0400,
wrote:

I normally avoid making political posts here but I just received this
summary of Hillary's past history and it was just too good to pass up:

Rana Foroohar, not exactly a right wing pundit wrote a damning article
last week about Clintonomics and how that drove the nose bleed
compensation packages for CEOs

http://time.com/4074571/how-clintono...carly-fiorina/

Keyser Söze October 31st 15 08:09 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On 10/31/15 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:58:43 -0400,

wrote:

I normally avoid making political posts here but I just received this
summary of Hillary's past history and it was just too good to pass up:

Rana Foroohar, not exactly a right wing pundit wrote a damning article
last week about Clintonomics and how that drove the nose bleed
compensation packages for CEOs

http://time.com/4074571/how-clintono...carly-fiorina/


Gosh, one has to wonder who W'hine will be pimping for in the 2016 race.

[email protected] November 1st 15 05:13 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:11:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/31/15 9:15 PM, wrote:



So you will **** can your most basic beliefs and pull the rooster.



My basic beliefs? Mrs. Clinton and I are aligned fairly well on most
issues. I don't expect agreement on everything with any candidate. I
like Bernie Sanders, too, but I don't think Americans are ready to elect
a self-described socialist as POTUS, even though what he describes and
stands for is pretty much mainstream. When I was growing up in New
Haven, nearby Bridgeport had Jasper McLevy, a socialist, as its
long-time mayor.

I have no concerns about Mrs. Clinton's ability to lead this nation and
help most of its people progress. There are no Republicans about whom I
feel that way.

My guess is that you will sit out the 2016 POTUS election. I don't sit
out elections for national political office.


OK but don't come crying to us when we are in Syria in force (along
with other middle east wars) and when the banksters are still screwing
you. If the democrats get their wish and the minimum wage goes up to
$15, expect a huge spike in unemployment. That will certainly do
nothing to reduce income inequality.


Boating All Out November 1st 15 05:27 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
In article cohc3bhl1gn0pag6ocgj0bvk3ppd115d00@
4ax.com, says...

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:11:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/31/15 9:15 PM,
wrote:


So you will **** can your most basic beliefs and pull the rooster.



My basic beliefs? Mrs. Clinton and I are aligned fairly well on most
issues. I don't expect agreement on everything with any candidate. I
like Bernie Sanders, too, but I don't think Americans are ready to elect
a self-described socialist as POTUS, even though what he describes and
stands for is pretty much mainstream. When I was growing up in New
Haven, nearby Bridgeport had Jasper McLevy, a socialist, as its
long-time mayor.

I have no concerns about Mrs. Clinton's ability to lead this nation and
help most of its people progress. There are no Republicans about whom I
feel that way.

My guess is that you will sit out the 2016 POTUS election. I don't sit
out elections for national political office.


OK but don't come crying to us when we are in Syria in force (along
with other middle east wars) and when the banksters are still screwing
you. If the democrats get their wish and the minimum wage goes up to
$15, expect a huge spike in unemployment. That will certainly do
nothing to reduce income inequality.


LOL

[email protected] November 1st 15 05:55 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:14:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Hypothetically, let's assume that something comes along that causes
Hillary to withdraw from the nomination process. Could be health or
scandal ... who knows?

To whom would you then shift your support and ultimate vote for?

Webb? O'Malley? Bernie?


Trump, he has a better chance than any of those.

[email protected] November 1st 15 06:04 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 12:55:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:14:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Hypothetically, let's assume that something comes along that causes
Hillary to withdraw from the nomination process. Could be health or
scandal ... who knows?

To whom would you then shift your support and ultimate vote for?

Webb? O'Malley? Bernie?


Trump, he has a better chance than any of those.


===

I'd vote for Hillary or Bernie before I voted for Trump, and that's
saying quite a lot.

Mr. Luddite November 1st 15 06:05 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On 11/1/2015 12:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:14:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Hypothetically, let's assume that something comes along that causes
Hillary to withdraw from the nomination process. Could be health or
scandal ... who knows?

To whom would you then shift your support and ultimate vote for?

Webb? O'Malley? Bernie?


Trump, he has a better chance than any of those.



Scary, huh? :-)



Justan Olphart[_2_] November 1st 15 06:44 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On 11/1/2015 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:11:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/31/15 9:15 PM,
wrote:


So you will **** can your most basic beliefs and pull the rooster.



My basic beliefs? Mrs. Clinton and I are aligned fairly well on most
issues. I don't expect agreement on everything with any candidate. I
like Bernie Sanders, too, but I don't think Americans are ready to elect
a self-described socialist as POTUS, even though what he describes and
stands for is pretty much mainstream. When I was growing up in New
Haven, nearby Bridgeport had Jasper McLevy, a socialist, as its
long-time mayor.

I have no concerns about Mrs. Clinton's ability to lead this nation and
help most of its people progress. There are no Republicans about whom I
feel that way.

My guess is that you will sit out the 2016 POTUS election. I don't sit
out elections for national political office.


OK but don't come crying to us when we are in Syria in force (along
with other middle east wars) and when the banksters are still screwing
you. If the democrats get their wish and the minimum wage goes up to
$15, expect a huge spike in unemployment. That will certainly do
nothing to reduce income inequality.

How do you figure that banksters can screw Harry?

[email protected] November 1st 15 06:51 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:05:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/1/2015 12:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:14:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Hypothetically, let's assume that something comes along that causes
Hillary to withdraw from the nomination process. Could be health or
scandal ... who knows?

To whom would you then shift your support and ultimate vote for?

Webb? O'Malley? Bernie?


Trump, he has a better chance than any of those.



Scary, huh? :-)


Exactly why I am disgusted with the whole process.
BTW anyone who really thinks their one vote actually counts should
have a hard time criticizing someone else's "invisible friend".
Between the corruption of the system by big money and the electoral
college system to begin with, elections are far from being decided by
a few motivated voters.
It is clearly irrational faith in something you can't show scientific
evidence to demonstrate.


[email protected] November 1st 15 06:55 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:44:20 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 11/1/2015 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:11:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/31/15 9:15 PM,
wrote:


So you will **** can your most basic beliefs and pull the rooster.



My basic beliefs? Mrs. Clinton and I are aligned fairly well on most
issues. I don't expect agreement on everything with any candidate. I
like Bernie Sanders, too, but I don't think Americans are ready to elect
a self-described socialist as POTUS, even though what he describes and
stands for is pretty much mainstream. When I was growing up in New
Haven, nearby Bridgeport had Jasper McLevy, a socialist, as its
long-time mayor.

I have no concerns about Mrs. Clinton's ability to lead this nation and
help most of its people progress. There are no Republicans about whom I
feel that way.

My guess is that you will sit out the 2016 POTUS election. I don't sit
out elections for national political office.


OK but don't come crying to us when we are in Syria in force (along
with other middle east wars) and when the banksters are still screwing
you. If the democrats get their wish and the minimum wage goes up to
$15, expect a huge spike in unemployment. That will certainly do
nothing to reduce income inequality.

How do you figure that banksters can screw Harry?


I am sure some might post an ad hominem attack here but the truth is
they can screw us all by degrading the values of our investments (like
your pension plan)

Keyser Söze November 1st 15 07:09 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On 11/1/15 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:05:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/1/2015 12:55 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:14:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Hypothetically, let's assume that something comes along that causes
Hillary to withdraw from the nomination process. Could be health or
scandal ... who knows?

To whom would you then shift your support and ultimate vote for?

Webb? O'Malley? Bernie?


Trump, he has a better chance than any of those.



Scary, huh? :-)


Exactly why I am disgusted with the whole process.
BTW anyone who really thinks their one vote actually counts should
have a hard time criticizing someone else's "invisible friend".
Between the corruption of the system by big money and the electoral
college system to begin with, elections are far from being decided by
a few motivated voters.
It is clearly irrational faith in something you can't show scientific
evidence to demonstrate.


Is this the libertarian premise for 2016? As in, "we'll never be able to
field a winning POTUS candidate, so let's do whatever we can to hold
down the vote and help the Repugnicans." Because, in the end,
libertarians are Republicans just as Tea Baggers are Republicans.

Justan Olphart[_2_] November 1st 15 07:42 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On 11/1/2015 1:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:44:20 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 11/1/2015 12:13 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:11:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/31/15 9:15 PM,
wrote:


So you will **** can your most basic beliefs and pull the rooster.



My basic beliefs? Mrs. Clinton and I are aligned fairly well on most
issues. I don't expect agreement on everything with any candidate. I
like Bernie Sanders, too, but I don't think Americans are ready to elect
a self-described socialist as POTUS, even though what he describes and
stands for is pretty much mainstream. When I was growing up in New
Haven, nearby Bridgeport had Jasper McLevy, a socialist, as its
long-time mayor.

I have no concerns about Mrs. Clinton's ability to lead this nation and
help most of its people progress. There are no Republicans about whom I
feel that way.

My guess is that you will sit out the 2016 POTUS election. I don't sit
out elections for national political office.

OK but don't come crying to us when we are in Syria in force (along
with other middle east wars) and when the banksters are still screwing
you. If the democrats get their wish and the minimum wage goes up to
$15, expect a huge spike in unemployment. That will certainly do
nothing to reduce income inequality.

How do you figure that banksters can screw Harry?


I am sure some might post an ad hominem attack here but the truth is
they can screw us all by degrading the values of our investments (like
your pension plan)

By keeping the presses rolling printing money? It's not the banksta
gangstas doing that.

[email protected] November 1st 15 08:19 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 13:55:55 -0500, wrote:

How do you figure that banksters can screw Harry?


I am sure some might post an ad hominem attack here but the truth is
they can screw us all by degrading the values of our investments (like
your pension plan)


===

The real enemy going forward is the huge US debt, the Federal Reserve,
and the Controller of the Currency. All of the above will come
together to devalue of the dollar and everything you have which
translates to fixed income dollars. It's the classic way to dispose
of massive debt: Pay it back with devalued currency. That's how the
Vietnam war was paid for. That's how Brazil and Argentina did it, and
that's how Italy and Greece are doing it now.

[email protected] November 2nd 15 03:30 AM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:09:03 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Because, in the end,
libertarians are Republicans just as Tea Baggers are Republicans.


"Republican" seems to be anyone who disagrees with you. The fact
remains almost half of all voting aged people are so disgusted with
the process that they stay home. Are they all Republicans too?
Maybe you are right. Is that why Nixon called them the silent
majority.



Keyser Söze November 2nd 15 12:54 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On 11/1/15 10:30 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:09:03 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Because, in the end,
libertarians are Republicans just as Tea Baggers are Republicans.


"Republican" seems to be anyone who disagrees with you. The fact
remains almost half of all voting aged people are so disgusted with
the process that they stay home. Are they all Republicans too?
Maybe you are right. Is that why Nixon called them the silent
majority.




All the self-described "libertarians" I've heard of who *hold* elected
federal office ran as and run as Republicans, and the self-described Tea
Baggers do the same. Now, there are some self-described libertarians who
eschew the Republican moniker and run as libertarians for federal
office, but...they don't seem to get elected.

Years ago, I described libertarians as Republicans with even less of a
sense of civic responsibility. I've not read anything that would make me
change my mind. I understand self-described libertarians don't like
foreign military adventures and are in favor of legalizing pot, and want
to do away with all manner of regulations so the "free market" will
prevail. Well, I've always thought libertarianism was way over the line
on simplemindedness. I'm not a big fan of foreign military adventures,
either, and I see advantages to decriminalizing pot, but I don't favor
going back to the "wild, wild west" domestically.

[email protected] November 2nd 15 04:02 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:54:30 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/1/15 10:30 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:09:03 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Because, in the end,
libertarians are Republicans just as Tea Baggers are Republicans.


"Republican" seems to be anyone who disagrees with you. The fact
remains almost half of all voting aged people are so disgusted with
the process that they stay home. Are they all Republicans too?
Maybe you are right. Is that why Nixon called them the silent
majority.




All the self-described "libertarians" I've heard of who *hold* elected
federal office ran as and run as Republicans, and the self-described Tea
Baggers do the same. Now, there are some self-described libertarians who
eschew the Republican moniker and run as libertarians for federal
office, but...they don't seem to get elected.


It sounds like they have fallen prey to the same pragmatism that you
posses. You have to go along to get along. I think that is mostly the
stacked deck we have dealt to 3d parties. You need to pick a major
party to even get a seat at the table. Yeah right "free elections".


Years ago, I described libertarians as Republicans with even less of a
sense of civic responsibility. I've not read anything that would make me
change my mind. I understand self-described libertarians don't like
foreign military adventures and are in favor of legalizing pot, and want
to do away with all manner of regulations so the "free market" will
prevail. Well, I've always thought libertarianism was way over the line
on simplemindedness. I'm not a big fan of foreign military adventures,
either, and I see advantages to decriminalizing pot, but I don't favor
going back to the "wild, wild west" domestically.


You ignored a number of issues that align closer to Bernie than
Hillary or any of the republicans but I am not surprised.
Even if we had a significant Libertarian membership in congress and
holding the white house, I doubt they could make a serious dent in the
4th branch of government, US Civil Service.
That is a reality that confronted Carter and Reagan significantly and
all presidents to some extent.
I remember Carter coming to town and how that reality bitch slapped
him in the face. He had the goal of "streamlining government" and he
created a few stream lined agencies but what he didn't understand was
that it was "additive", hiring more people but the existing agencies
were still there. They were not leaving. They just changed all of the
signs.


Keyser Söze November 2nd 15 04:19 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On 11/2/15 11:02 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:54:30 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/1/15 10:30 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:09:03 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Because, in the end,
libertarians are Republicans just as Tea Baggers are Republicans.

"Republican" seems to be anyone who disagrees with you. The fact
remains almost half of all voting aged people are so disgusted with
the process that they stay home. Are they all Republicans too?
Maybe you are right. Is that why Nixon called them the silent
majority.




All the self-described "libertarians" I've heard of who *hold* elected
federal office ran as and run as Republicans, and the self-described Tea
Baggers do the same. Now, there are some self-described libertarians who
eschew the Republican moniker and run as libertarians for federal
office, but...they don't seem to get elected.


It sounds like they have fallen prey to the same pragmatism that you
posses. You have to go along to get along. I think that is mostly the
stacked deck we have dealt to 3d parties. You need to pick a major
party to even get a seat at the table. Yeah right "free elections".


Indeed, I am politically pragmatic. I've stated many times I like
Sanders and admire him, but I don't think he can win the presidency.
I also like Mrs. Clinton and admire her.

I rarely agree with more than 75% of any politician's positions,
proposals, et cetera.

I'll be happy if Mrs. Clinton wins the election. I'd be happy if Sanders
won it. But I don't believe that possible.

There are no Republicans among the current choices with a chance to win
the nomination who I could vote for.




[email protected] November 2nd 15 05:58 PM

A bit of Hillary Clinton's past history
 
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:39:10 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:


Hard core survivalists want the metal, not the paper.
I am not quite there.



Will gold be the standard? Or cell phone minutes? Or canned goods?


Food, ammo and access to clean water will be the important things.
Everything else is a luxury.
A well rounded skill set will be king. The economy may depend more on
barter than money. People who have skills will never starve.
Neighborhood watch will take on a whole new significance.
People will be making friends with their neighbors.
We get a little glimpse into that after a hurricane.
You certainly find out how good your neighborhood is.


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