Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:35:55 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:31:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:

Right now Chicago is a bullet throwing blood bath and has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. My statement still stands



I think people expect too much too quickly when an attempt is made to
address a social problem. Your state's "tougher" gun laws are fairly
recent. They are not going to have much effect on those who already
have firearms or know who to pay to get one.

It may take a generation or two in order to start seeing positive
results. You have to start somewhere. The same old, same old NRA
excuses as to why they won't work are wearing thin.


Chicago has had tough gun laws for 50 years


WTF? Indiana is ten minutes away by car. Gun shows galore.
Criminals don't care about Chicago laws, nor do the legal sellers
at Indiana gun shows.

Bull****, they all come to Virginia for their guns, buying them out of car trunks.
Just ask your twin, krause.
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Ban idiots, not guns!

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

On 10/2/2015 1:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:31:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:

Right now Chicago is a bullet throwing blood bath and has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. My statement still stands



I think people expect too much too quickly when an attempt is made to
address a social problem. Your state's "tougher" gun laws are fairly
recent. They are not going to have much effect on those who already
have firearms or know who to pay to get one.

It may take a generation or two in order to start seeing positive
results. You have to start somewhere. The same old, same old NRA
excuses as to why they won't work are wearing thin.


Chicago has had tough gun laws for 50 years

If we are just waiting for a generational change, just wait. In spite
of the hyperbole in the media, the actual murder rate has been in
decline for years.

The fact also remains the biggest "stranger danger" is still
surrounding the drug business. Nobody on the left wants to talk about
that.

The mass shooting thing is media driven as much as anything. These are
unstable people who are suicidal and want to go out as a famous
person. Shoot up a soft target and you can be the only thing on the
news for weeks and the object of google searches forever.

I don't know how you address it but I doubt anyone will come up with a
"law" solution that is not going to be challenged from the right and
the left. The most obvious thing is trying to stop these guys before
they start shooting but that is hard to do without infringing on their
rights. You can't arrest someone until they actually commit a crime.



You are right about Illinois gun law history. I confused the more
recent (2012) revision that allowed the issuance of concealed carry
permits, due to a finding that the prohibition that existed before was
found to be unconstitutional.

Same thing happened in Massachusetts years ago. At one time it was
almost impossible for the average citizen to get a concealed carry permit.

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

In article u4ydneksipm_n5LLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...


And hope like hell that any young relatives of yours
don't get shot up when they report to school.


We're all in the same boat.

If it's another guy's kid or grandkid it's ok with you apparently.

I'll support ANY anti-gun legislation with my vote.
How about you, Mr Pistol?

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

On 10/2/2015 6:25 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article u4ydneksipm_n5LLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...


And hope like hell that any young relatives of yours
don't get shot up when they report to school.


We're all in the same boat.

If it's another guy's kid or grandkid it's ok with you apparently.

I'll support ANY anti-gun legislation with my vote.
How about you, Mr Pistol?


I'll support any reasonable gun control legislation that focuses on
keeping guns (and ammunition) out of the hands of those who shouldn't
have access to them. Nothing is perfect but it's an attempt. To simply
give up and, in your world "get used to it" is contrary to any sense of
responsible, adult thinking.

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

On 10/2/15 6:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2015 6:25 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article u4ydneksipm_n5LLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...


And hope like hell that any young relatives of yours
don't get shot up when they report to school.


We're all in the same boat.

If it's another guy's kid or grandkid it's ok with you apparently.

I'll support ANY anti-gun legislation with my vote.
How about you, Mr Pistol?


I'll support any reasonable gun control legislation that focuses on
keeping guns (and ammunition) out of the hands of those who shouldn't
have access to them. Nothing is perfect but it's an attempt. To simply
give up and, in your world "get used to it" is contrary to any sense of
responsible, adult thinking.




Hey, in the words of your former favorite GOP presidential nominee wannabe:

"Stuff happens."

So, why worry about it.

:)

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

In article G--dnVHjd77UlJLLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

On 10/2/2015 6:25 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article u4ydneksipm_n5LLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...


And hope like hell that any young relatives of yours
don't get shot up when they report to school.


We're all in the same boat.

If it's another guy's kid or grandkid it's ok with you apparently.

I'll support ANY anti-gun legislation with my vote.
How about you, Mr Pistol?


I'll support any reasonable gun control legislation that focuses on
keeping guns (and ammunition) out of the hands of those who shouldn't
have access to them. Nothing is perfect but it's an attempt. To simply
give up and, in your world "get used to it" is contrary to any sense of
responsible, adult thinking.

WTF? I don't have the power to change anything
except with my vote. So I'll be used to it until it
ends. I'm not immune to the loss of innocent lives.
But don't expect me to go out and start shooting
something up because of it. That's for gun owners.
Hell, the proponents of gun control don't even have
the balls to say gun control. It's "gun safety."
You're full of **** too, using weasel words like
"reasonable."
The only answer to gun violence is strictly enforced
FEDERAL registration, with stiff prison terms for
violations. IOW, reduction of the number of guns.
Until that happens, just get used to it.
You can always vote for HRC, who seems the only one
willing to address gun control.
Or go for Jeb, with his "stuff happens."
That's real adult thinking.

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

On 10/2/15 7:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article G--dnVHjd77UlJLLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

On 10/2/2015 6:25 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article u4ydneksipm_n5LLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...


And hope like hell that any young relatives of yours
don't get shot up when they report to school.


We're all in the same boat.

If it's another guy's kid or grandkid it's ok with you apparently.

I'll support ANY anti-gun legislation with my vote.
How about you, Mr Pistol?


I'll support any reasonable gun control legislation that focuses on
keeping guns (and ammunition) out of the hands of those who shouldn't
have access to them. Nothing is perfect but it's an attempt. To simply
give up and, in your world "get used to it" is contrary to any sense of
responsible, adult thinking.

WTF? I don't have the power to change anything
except with my vote. So I'll be used to it until it
ends. I'm not immune to the loss of innocent lives.
But don't expect me to go out and start shooting
something up because of it. That's for gun owners.
Hell, the proponents of gun control don't even have
the balls to say gun control. It's "gun safety."
You're full of **** too, using weasel words like
"reasonable."
The only answer to gun violence is strictly enforced
FEDERAL registration, with stiff prison terms for
violations. IOW, reduction of the number of guns.
Until that happens, just get used to it.
You can always vote for HRC, who seems the only one
willing to address gun control.
Or go for Jeb, with his "stuff happens."
That's real adult thinking.



The Republicans, all of them, are scared stiff of white men.

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

Tim wrote:
Right now Chicago is a bullet throwing blood bath and has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. My statement still stands


That's true, but they look at IL as a whole and it skews the
statistics. Chicago is a mess. Illinois - not so much.

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

Boating All Out wrote:
In article G--dnVHjd77UlJLLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...
On 10/2/2015 6:25 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article u4ydneksipm_n5LLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

And hope like hell that any young relatives of yours
don't get shot up when they report to school.

We're all in the same boat.

If it's another guy's kid or grandkid it's ok with you apparently.
I'll support ANY anti-gun legislation with my vote.
How about you, Mr Pistol?

I'll support any reasonable gun control legislation that focuses on
keeping guns (and ammunition) out of the hands of those who shouldn't
have access to them. Nothing is perfect but it's an attempt. To simply
give up and, in your world "get used to it" is contrary to any sense of
responsible, adult thinking.
WTF? I don't have the power to change anything
except with my vote. So I'll be used to it until it
ends. I'm not immune to the loss of innocent lives.
But don't expect me to go out and start shooting
something up because of it. That's for gun owners.
Hell, the proponents of gun control don't even have
the balls to say gun control. It's "gun safety."
You're full of **** too, using weasel words like
"reasonable."
The only answer to gun violence is strictly enforced
FEDERAL registration, with stiff prison terms for
violations. IOW, reduction of the number of guns.
Until that happens, just get used to it.
You can always vote for HRC, who seems the only one
willing to address gun control.
Or go for Jeb, with his "stuff happens."
That's real adult thinking.


How about this, Kevin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny3bOmey-BE

Pardon me mr. President, but...
 

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:25:46 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

I'll support ANY anti-gun legislation with my vote


.... even if it does nothing.
I see