Idiots and guns
 

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal service.

We are apparently a nation of fools, including lawmakers. The disease
of guns needs to be addressed.

BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho woman who mailed a loaded handgun that
discharged within the package while being handled by a U.S. Postal
Service employee has been sentenced to a year of probation.

Forty-seven-year-old Tami Dee Bachart of McCall also on Tuesday in
U.S. District Court in Boise was ordered to serve 200 hours of
community service, pay $3,400 in restitution and a $1,000 fine.

Bachart pleaded guilty May 12 to mailing injurious articles and
causing a firearm to be present in a federal facility.

U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson says Bachart mailed a Ruger Blackhawk
..357-caliber revolver in December to Connecticut. But at a processing
center in Springfield, Mass., it fired when an employee picked it up.

Idiots and guns
 

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal service.

We are apparently a nation of fools, including lawmakers. The disease
of guns needs to be addressed.

BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho woman who mailed a loaded handgun that
discharged within the package while being handled by a U.S. Postal
Service employee has been sentenced to a year of probation.

Forty-seven-year-old Tami Dee Bachart of McCall also on Tuesday in
U.S. District Court in Boise was ordered to serve 200 hours of
community service, pay $3,400 in restitution and a $1,000 fine.

Bachart pleaded guilty May 12 to mailing injurious articles and
causing a firearm to be present in a federal facility.

U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson says Bachart mailed a Ruger Blackhawk
.357-caliber revolver in December to Connecticut. But at a processing
center in Springfield, Mass., it fired when an employee picked it up.

===

Likely story. It probably fired after the postal employee dropped it.
That doesn't excuse stupid of course and mailing a loaded gun is
certainly that.

The only gun disease that I'm aware of BTW, is irrational fear by
control freaks. That's a psychological thing however.

Idiots and guns
 

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 2:04:15 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal service.

We are apparently a nation of fools, including lawmakers. The disease
of guns needs to be addressed.

BOISE, Idaho -- An Idaho woman who mailed a loaded handgun that
discharged within the package while being handled by a U.S. Postal
Service employee has been sentenced to a year of probation.

Forty-seven-year-old Tami Dee Bachart of McCall also on Tuesday in
U.S. District Court in Boise was ordered to serve 200 hours of
community service, pay $3,400 in restitution and a $1,000 fine.

Bachart pleaded guilty May 12 to mailing injurious articles and
causing a firearm to be present in a federal facility.

U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson says Bachart mailed a Ruger Blackhawk
.357-caliber revolver in December to Connecticut. But at a processing
center in Springfield, Mass., it fired when an employee picked it up.

===

Likely story. It probably fired after the postal employee dropped it.
That doesn't excuse stupid of course and mailing a loaded gun is
certainly that.

Bingo. Poorly packed, left loaded (duh!), and it was likely an old 3-screw Blackhawk that has no protection to prevent the hammer from striking the firing pin if dropped. Ruger will fix that for free, from my understanding. If that would have been done it wouldn't have fired when the package was dropped, or thrown into a bin.

It would be interesting to get the whole story on this. I'm betting the pistol was inherited or left behind by an ex. She didn't want it (or was scared of it, having no gun experience), so she sold it. Didn't have enough gun knowledge to even be able to check or unload it. That's a good reason that all young folks, at the appropriate age, should be taught basic gun safety and operation. Then there wouldn't be as many gun accidents.

You can bet I taught my wife how to handle one. She's a darn good shot!

Idiots and guns
 

jps wrote:
Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal service.

We are apparently a nation of fools, including lawmakers. The disease
of guns needs to be addressed.

BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho woman who mailed a loaded handgun that
discharged within the package while being handled by a U.S. Postal
Service employee has been sentenced to a year of probation.

Forty-seven-year-old Tami Dee Bachart of McCall also on Tuesday in
U.S. District Court in Boise was ordered to serve 200 hours of
community service, pay $3,400 in restitution and a $1,000 fine.

Bachart pleaded guilty May 12 to mailing injurious articles and
causing a firearm to be present in a federal facility.

U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson says Bachart mailed a Ruger Blackhawk
.357-caliber revolver in December to Connecticut. But at a processing
center in Springfield, Mass., it fired when an employee picked it up.

Ooh...a perfect date for one of our right wing ammoholics here. 😀
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Idiots and guns
 

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal service.

We are apparently a nation of fools, including lawmakers. The disease
of guns needs to be addressed.

BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho woman who mailed a loaded handgun that
discharged within the package while being handled by a U.S. Postal
Service employee has been sentenced to a year of probation.

Forty-seven-year-old Tami Dee Bachart of McCall also on Tuesday in
U.S. District Court in Boise was ordered to serve 200 hours of
community service, pay $3,400 in restitution and a $1,000 fine.

Bachart pleaded guilty May 12 to mailing injurious articles and
causing a firearm to be present in a federal facility.

U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson says Bachart mailed a Ruger Blackhawk
.357-caliber revolver in December to Connecticut. But at a processing
center in Springfield, Mass., it fired when an employee picked it up.

Yay! jps found a stupid gun owner!

I'll bet there are a bunch of stupid car drivers out there also. So let's give car
drivers an IQ test. Or, at least, ban guns from everyone!

Yippee ki yay, jps. You're the man!
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Idiots and guns
 

On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:45:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 2:04:15 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal service.

We are apparently a nation of fools, including lawmakers. The disease
of guns needs to be addressed.

BOISE, Idaho -- An Idaho woman who mailed a loaded handgun that
discharged within the package while being handled by a U.S. Postal
Service employee has been sentenced to a year of probation.

Forty-seven-year-old Tami Dee Bachart of McCall also on Tuesday in
U.S. District Court in Boise was ordered to serve 200 hours of
community service, pay $3,400 in restitution and a $1,000 fine.

Bachart pleaded guilty May 12 to mailing injurious articles and
causing a firearm to be present in a federal facility.

U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson says Bachart mailed a Ruger Blackhawk
.357-caliber revolver in December to Connecticut. But at a processing
center in Springfield, Mass., it fired when an employee picked it up.

===

Likely story. It probably fired after the postal employee dropped it.
That doesn't excuse stupid of course and mailing a loaded gun is
certainly that.

Bingo. Poorly packed, left loaded (duh!), and it was likely an old 3-screw Blackhawk that has no protection to prevent the hammer from striking the firing pin if dropped. Ruger will fix that for free, from my understanding. If that would have been done it wouldn't have fired when the package was dropped, or thrown into a bin.

It would be interesting to get the whole story on this. I'm betting the pistol was inherited or left behind by an ex. She didn't want it (or was scared of it, having no gun experience), so she sold it. Didn't have enough gun knowledge to even be able to check or unload it. That's a good reason that all young folks, at the appropriate age, should be taught basic gun safety and operation. Then there wouldn't be as many gun accidents.

You can bet I taught my wife how to handle one. She's a darn good shot!


My wife is a better shot than I am with the P938.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Idiots and guns
 

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal servic

I suppose we should pass a law ... Oh wait, they already did, almost
50 years ago (1968)
It is illegal to mail a firearm, even if it is in pieces.

Idiots and guns
 

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 15:22:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal servic

I suppose we should pass a law ... Oh wait, they already did, almost
50 years ago (1968)
It is illegal to mail a firearm, even if it is in pieces.

So I went to UPS to mail a pistol back for some warranty work. UPS would ship it only
overnight air - at a cost of about $85 - to Abiline, TX. So I took it to a local
gunsmith.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Idiots and guns
 

On 5 Aug 2015 19:03:43 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

jps wrote:
Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal service.

We are apparently a nation of fools, including lawmakers. The disease
of guns needs to be addressed.

BOISE, Idaho ? An Idaho woman who mailed a loaded handgun that
discharged within the package while being handled by a U.S. Postal
Service employee has been sentenced to a year of probation.

Forty-seven-year-old Tami Dee Bachart of McCall also on Tuesday in
U.S. District Court in Boise was ordered to serve 200 hours of
community service, pay $3,400 in restitution and a $1,000 fine.

Bachart pleaded guilty May 12 to mailing injurious articles and
causing a firearm to be present in a federal facility.

U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson says Bachart mailed a Ruger Blackhawk
.357-caliber revolver in December to Connecticut. But at a processing
center in Springfield, Mass., it fired when an employee picked it up.

Ooh...a perfect date for one of our right wing ammoholics here. ?

I know of only one person here who actually posted a photo bragging about how much
ammo he had accumulated.

Do you know who that was? Hint: Tax cheat.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Idiots and guns
 

Idiots and guns
 

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 15:35:02 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 15:22:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal servic

I suppose we should pass a law ... Oh wait, they already did, almost
50 years ago (1968)
It is illegal to mail a firearm, even if it is in pieces.

So I went to UPS to mail a pistol back for some warranty work. UPS would ship it only
overnight air - at a cost of about $85 - to Abiline, TX. So I took it to a local
gunsmith.

===

I think you can do better with Fedex.

Idiots and guns
 

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:03:46 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
jps wrote:
Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal service.

We are apparently a nation of fools, including lawmakers. The disease
of guns needs to be addressed.

BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho woman who mailed a loaded handgun that
discharged within the package while being handled by a U.S. Postal
Service employee has been sentenced to a year of probation.

Forty-seven-year-old Tami Dee Bachart of McCall also on Tuesday in
U.S. District Court in Boise was ordered to serve 200 hours of
community service, pay $3,400 in restitution and a $1,000 fine.

Bachart pleaded guilty May 12 to mailing injurious articles and
causing a firearm to be present in a federal facility.

U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson says Bachart mailed a Ruger Blackhawk
.357-caliber revolver in December to Connecticut. But at a processing
center in Springfield, Mass., it fired when an employee picked it up.

Ooh...a perfect date for one of our right wing ammoholics here. 😀
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Oh. You and JPS are looking for competition, I see.

Idiots and guns
 

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:42:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 15:22:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal servic

I suppose we should pass a law ... Oh wait, they already did, almost
50 years ago (1968)
It is illegal to mail a firearm, even if it is in pieces.


My understanding is you can mail unloaded rifles and shotguns.
A FFL can mail handguns, whole or broken down.


Mere mortals (not FFL can) only mail long guns within a state not
across state lines and handguns can only be mailed by FFLs to a very
limited group of people.
It is easier to just say you can't do it.

From USPS.COM

Subject to 432.22, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer
of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, a licensed importer of
firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the
government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to
a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s
official duties, and upon filing the required affidavit or
certificate:

Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps,
or Organized Reserve Corps.
Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory,
or district.
Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or
district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or
commitment.
USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.
Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United
States.
Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a
state, territory, or district.
Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing
officers and employees included in 432.21c through e.

Idiots and guns
 

On 8/6/2015 3:16 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:42:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 15:22:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal servic

I suppose we should pass a law ... Oh wait, they already did, almost
50 years ago (1968)
It is illegal to mail a firearm, even if it is in pieces.


My understanding is you can mail unloaded rifles and shotguns.
A FFL can mail handguns, whole or broken down.


Mere mortals (not FFL can) only mail long guns within a state not
across state lines and handguns can only be mailed by FFLs to a very
limited group of people.
It is easier to just say you can't do it.

From USPS.COM

Subject to 432.22, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer
of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, a licensed importer of
firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the
government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to
a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s
official duties, and upon filing the required affidavit or
certificate:

Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps,
or Organized Reserve Corps.
Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory,
or district.
Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or
district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or
commitment.
USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.
Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United
States.
Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a
state, territory, or district.
Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing
officers and employees included in 432.21c through e.





I understand. I was just commenting on your statement, "It is illegal
to mail a firearm, even if it is in pieces." That is not exactly accurate.

Idiots and guns
 

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 04:01:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/6/2015 3:16 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:42:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 15:22:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:50:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Another example of how humans and guns don't mix. This idiot can't
have an IQ that breaks 80 but has no trouble obtaining nor mailing a
loaded gun through the postal servic

I suppose we should pass a law ... Oh wait, they already did, almost
50 years ago (1968)
It is illegal to mail a firearm, even if it is in pieces.


My understanding is you can mail unloaded rifles and shotguns.
A FFL can mail handguns, whole or broken down.


Mere mortals (not FFL can) only mail long guns within a state not
across state lines and handguns can only be mailed by FFLs to a very
limited group of people.
It is easier to just say you can't do it.

From USPS.COM

Subject to 432.22, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer
of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, a licensed importer of
firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the
government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to
a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s
official duties, and upon filing the required affidavit or
certificate:

Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps,
or Organized Reserve Corps.
Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory,
or district.
Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or
district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or
commitment.
USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.
Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United
States.
Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a
state, territory, or district.
Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing
officers and employees included in 432.21c through e.





I understand. I was just commenting on your statement, "It is illegal
to mail a firearm, even if it is in pieces." That is not exactly accurate.

Considering the limits, it is a distinction without a difference.
The law was written to address Lee Oswald buying a mail order rifle
from a FFL.