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On 7/28/2015 3:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:57:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Hillary is more like Ted
Cruz. Mysterious and scary.

Ted Cruz is a lot smarter than Hillary and he has better credentials,
even using Harry's standards. (The coveted BA from Princeton, JD from
Harvard Law, Magna cum laude, clerk for the chief justice, Law school
professor).
Dershowitz, his prof at Harvard said "Cruz was off-the-charts
brilliant".

I imagine in a nose to nose debate will Hillary he would mop the floor
with her.

I am just not a fan of his politics.



He might be smart but ever since I listened to him reciting Dr. Seuss
and green eggs, he gives me the willies. He sounds like a cast member
of some Dracula movie.

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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:43:55 -0400, Justan Olphat wrote:

On 7/28/2015 11:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 11:04 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:05:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



If you are claiming Jim Webb is charismatic, your connection to reality
was severed long ago.

I am not sure we have actually seen that much of Webb.


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers. By
definition, she is charismatic.

She has a large name recognition factor and coattails from her hubby.
If she was still Hillary Roddam, nobody would give her a second
glance.
Her credentials are as a neocon senator who was for the Iraq war and
as a failed SoS who left the US is worse shape than it was when she
got there.

When the campaign finally gets down to looking at her record, she will
be a solid 47% candidate. The only way she can win is if the GOP vote
splits and that is what you keep saying here about Trump.



Really? I don't see any of the GOPer wannabes beating her in a general
election, especially Foot-in-Mouth Jeb. And, hey, if the Trumpster makes
an Indy run, more power to him. He'd pull 10% of the vote, at least, and
95% of that would be GOPer voters. Result? Hillary wins in a landslide.
Works for me.

Why would you want a character like Hillery as your president?

Her charisma perhaps?
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

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On 7/28/15 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.



I never said or even implied I didn't like Jim Webb. I don't think he
has much charisma, and I'm not impressed with him as a possible
candidate for POTUS. He seems a perfectly decent guy, though.

I wish you right-wingers would learn how to read and comprehend what you
read.

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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/28/15 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.



I never said or even implied I didn't like Jim Webb. I don't think he
has much charisma, and I'm not impressed with him as a possible
candidate for POTUS. He seems a perfectly decent guy, though.

I wish you right-wingers would learn how to read and comprehend what you
read.

Normally, if one has nothing but negative comments to make about an individual, then
a third party might infer that the one does not 'like' the individual.

For example, I can't think of anyone who has ever stated, "I don't like Harry
Krause." But, from the negative comments made by many folks in the newsgroup, one
might infer that you are not 'liked' by those folks.

You see?

Perhaps you should stick to a discussion of the eating habits of your owls.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

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On 7/28/2015 4:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:27:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/28/2015 3:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:57:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Hillary is more like Ted
Cruz. Mysterious and scary.

Ted Cruz is a lot smarter than Hillary and he has better credentials,
even using Harry's standards. (The coveted BA from Princeton, JD from
Harvard Law, Magna cum laude, clerk for the chief justice, Law school
professor).
Dershowitz, his prof at Harvard said "Cruz was off-the-charts
brilliant".

I imagine in a nose to nose debate will Hillary he would mop the floor
with her.

I am just not a fan of his politics.



He might be smart but ever since I listened to him reciting Dr. Seuss
and green eggs, he gives me the willies. He sounds like a cast member
of some Dracula movie.


A lot of highly educated people are a little creepy. Look at Ted
Kaczynski



And "smart" doesn't necessarily mean "sane".

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In article ,
says...

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't believe in.

I like that.

I like the guy. Seems honest. But I haven't heard any policy from him.
You probably can't win the presidency with 2 divorces behind you.

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On 7/28/2015 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't
believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.



I never said or even implied I didn't like Jim Webb. I don't think he
has much charisma, and I'm not impressed with him as a possible
candidate for POTUS. He seems a perfectly decent guy, though.

I wish you right-wingers would learn how to read and comprehend what you
read.

He's perfectly decent ... in a rather non-liberal way.

There are some reports of Jim Webb's rather colorful background in a
book written by Chase Untermeyer entitled, "Inside Reagan's Navy".

Chase Untermeyer, a former Pentagon official who worked for Webb when
Webb was Secretary of the Navy wrote about an incident Webb told him
about when Webb was attending the Naval Academy. Untermeyer said that
Webb was fighting with a ponytailed biker he had an altercation with.

“I had him by the hair and was beating his head on the sidewalk when he
suddenly went limp on me,” Webb recounted. “Then it came to me: I had
killed the ****ing son of a bitch, and I would be put on report back at
the Academy! So I revived him—whereupon he came to and kicked me in the
head about 10 times till I was able to grab his leg... Moral: Show no
mercy in a fight.”

He also briefly taught at the Naval Academy but was canned because of
his opposition to having women serving in combat roles in the military.
This was in 1979.

While serving as Secretary of the Navy, one of his assistant
secretaries returned to work from a three-week senior management course
at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, Webb’s greeting was: “Are you
an asshole yet?”

Then there's the account of the cartoon posted on a bulletin board in
the office of a female US Navy captain. The cartoon was entitled, “The
Evolution of Authority” and had images of an ape's footprint, then a
man's shoeprint followed by a print of a woman's high-heeled shoe.

According to Chase Untermeyer, Webb went ballistic. “We should be
applying the same standard we would to a male,” he barked. “That was
inappropriate and unnecessarily inflammatory. If a man had put something
like that against women on his wall we would be stuck with an EEOC
complaint.”

Untermeyer sneaked into the captain's office and removed the cartoon,
only to find it replaced with a new copy the next day. He had to sneak
in again and remove the replacement fearing a total meltdown by the
Secretary of the Navy.

BTW ... Untermeyer fully supports and endorses Webb's presidential bid.

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On 7/28/15 6:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/28/2015 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't
believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.



I never said or even implied I didn't like Jim Webb. I don't think he
has much charisma, and I'm not impressed with him as a possible
candidate for POTUS. He seems a perfectly decent guy, though.

I wish you right-wingers would learn how to read and comprehend what you
read.

He's perfectly decent ... in a rather non-liberal way.

I'm not sure you righties even know what liberal and conservative mean
anymore.

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On 7/28/2015 7:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 6:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/28/2015 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't
believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.



I never said or even implied I didn't like Jim Webb. I don't think he
has much charisma, and I'm not impressed with him as a possible
candidate for POTUS. He seems a perfectly decent guy, though.

I wish you right-wingers would learn how to read and comprehend what you
read.

He's perfectly decent ... in a rather non-liberal way.

I'm not sure you righties even know what liberal and conservative mean
anymore.




Thank you for your observation but the world does not revolve around
Harry Krause's interpretations or definitions. We are all entitled to
our own.

Besides, the terms (as used today) are moving goalposts. In today's
world JFK would be considered a conservative and Reagan would probably
be considered too liberal.

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On 7/28/15 7:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:29:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 6:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/28/2015 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't
believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.



I never said or even implied I didn't like Jim Webb. I don't think he
has much charisma, and I'm not impressed with him as a possible
candidate for POTUS. He seems a perfectly decent guy, though.

I wish you right-wingers would learn how to read and comprehend what you
read.

He's perfectly decent ... in a rather non-liberal way.

I'm not sure you righties even know what liberal and conservative mean
anymore.


When Trump is calling himself conservative, you might be right.



I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth, and Sanders slightly left of center. Virtually
all the Republican wannabes for 2016 come across to me as right-wing
extremists, pushed way out there by the Tea Party and others. Oh, and
Jeb Bush is no moderate. He's an overly religious right-wing nut case.
His saving grace is that so many of the other wannabes are nuttier than
he is.

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On 7/28/2015 7:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 7:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:29:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 6:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/28/2015 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated
followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't
believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.



I never said or even implied I didn't like Jim Webb. I don't think he
has much charisma, and I'm not impressed with him as a possible
candidate for POTUS. He seems a perfectly decent guy, though.

I wish you right-wingers would learn how to read and comprehend
what you
read.

He's perfectly decent ... in a rather non-liberal way.

I'm not sure you righties even know what liberal and conservative mean
anymore.


When Trump is calling himself conservative, you might be right.



I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth, and Sanders slightly left of center. Virtually
all the Republican wannabes for 2016 come across to me as right-wing
extremists, pushed way out there by the Tea Party and others. Oh, and
Jeb Bush is no moderate. He's an overly religious right-wing nut case.
His saving grace is that so many of the other wannabes are nuttier than
he is.


Hillary *was* a moderate Democrat. She's trying to reinvent herself to
maintain appeal to the "progressive-liberal" movement however.
Unfortunately for her, her history of flip flops will become an issue
when the real debates begin.

I'll repeat what I said a few weeks ago. I am not necessarily against a
Democrat winning the White House in 2016. I just have a severe aversion
to the idea of Hillary becoming POTUS.

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On 7/28/15 8:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/28/2015 7:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 7:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:29:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 6:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/28/2015 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/28/15 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:39:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:


As for Mrs. Clinton, she has tens of millions of dedicated
followers.


So do Lemmings.

Jim Webb is not without his flaws although I don't find them
particularly negative. He's serious, can exhibit a bit of a temper
and doesn't kowtow to anyone.

He's a Democrat but has an independent streak in him. He doesn't
necessarily follow the "party line" if it's something he doesn't
believe in.

I like that.


And that's probably why Harry doesn't like him.



I never said or even implied I didn't like Jim Webb. I don't think he
has much charisma, and I'm not impressed with him as a possible
candidate for POTUS. He seems a perfectly decent guy, though.

I wish you right-wingers would learn how to read and comprehend
what you
read.

He's perfectly decent ... in a rather non-liberal way.

I'm not sure you righties even know what liberal and conservative mean
anymore.


When Trump is calling himself conservative, you might be right.



I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth, and Sanders slightly left of center. Virtually
all the Republican wannabes for 2016 come across to me as right-wing
extremists, pushed way out there by the Tea Party and others. Oh, and
Jeb Bush is no moderate. He's an overly religious right-wing nut case.
His saving grace is that so many of the other wannabes are nuttier than
he is.


Hillary *was* a moderate Democrat. She's trying to reinvent herself to
maintain appeal to the "progressive-liberal" movement however.
Unfortunately for her, her history of flip flops will become an issue
when the real debates begin.

I'll repeat what I said a few weeks ago. I am not necessarily against a
Democrat winning the White House in 2016. I just have a severe aversion
to the idea of Hillary becoming POTUS.





So, you'll end up voting for The Donald, eh? :)

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/27/15 7:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/27/2015 7:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/27/15 7:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/27/2015 6:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/27/15 6:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/27/2015 6:21 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:45:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 7/27/2015 12:18 PM, Boating All Out wrote:

Sure seems that way. I remember back in the '90's Limbaugh
going
after
her viciously. First time I realized that insanity had gone
mainstream.
Turned Limbaugh off my radio forever.
They'd have to get something solid on her before I'd believe it,
because
they've told so many outright lies about her she's been
immunized
in my
eyes. I get a kick out of Luddite's "outrage" at her caginess.
She's a politician, for crying out loud. They all lie.





I get a kick out of you giving Hillary's lies and deceitfulness a
pass
"because she's a politician".


Yeah, that is an excuse that didn't work for Nixon, Blagojevich,
Rostenkowski, Ryan or Menendez. (and the list goes on)

When they get anything that sticks on HRC, and she's in the
slammer,
let
me know. If you guys are right, that's where she'll be.
And if she stays free, you'll still be right.
You'll simply say "She got away with it!"
Hey, you can't lose.



She's not headed for the slammer. I am just very hopeful that she's
not
headed for the White House.

She's not even a good politician. No notable accomplishments to
speak
of. Bill is.




Your Republican alternatives are far, far worse.


"My" Republican alternatives? Shouldn't it be "Our" or "The"?

Anyway, Hillary has no executive experience in running anything. When
her husband asked her to form a task force and come up with a health
care reform plan, she botched it so badly that even the Democrats
didn't
want to bring it to a vote. It was quickly swept under the rug, if
you
recall.

Since then, what has she done? Nothing really. Lived a pampered
life as
First Lady, traveled all over the world as SOS accomplishing ...
nothing. Heck, as Secretary of State, John Kerry makes her look
like a
rank amateur ... or worse.

You seem to adhere yourself to whomever recites the party line and
maintains a (D) after their name. I tend to look more at the person,
his/her qualifications, achievements, contributions and experience.
Hillary has none of those qualities so she has to make up stories and
lie to appear relevant. She also has demonstrated extremely poor
judgement on more than one occasion.

Not POTUS material. Sorry.




I see each and every Republican candidate who has a chance of winning
the nomination as someone who will further destroy the middle and lower
income groups, restrict womens' right, work against science, weaken
pollution laws, weaken banking laws...everyone of them.


Oh, please. Let's wait and see what the nomination cycle debates show.
I'd like to hear more from Jim Webb. Even Bernie is entertaining in a
way.

Ha. Imagine a hypothetical. Hillary wins the Democratic nomination.
The Donald, for some bizarre reason, wins the Republican.

A presidential election debate between the two of them would set records
for viewers, mostly looking for the entertainment aspect of it.

Neither can control what comes out of their mouths.




Jim Webb...who? (Yeah, I know who he is. He's a "who is he?"


It's not what he's known for it's what he's *not* known for. Hillary is
known to lie and be ineffective.

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wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

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On 7/28/2015 9:37 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?



From Greg's house it is.

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On 7/28/2015 9:37 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

Sure. Relatively speaking. :-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

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On 7/28/2015 10:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/28/2015 9:37 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?



From Greg's house it is.


Everything is relative, at least by Harry's way of thinking.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:20:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Hitler had it. FDR had it. Reagan had it. Both Bill and Hillary Clinton
have it.

===

Bill did, no question about it. Hillary? Not so much.

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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:30:05 -0400, Alex wrote:

Oh, please. Let's wait and see what the nomination cycle debates show.
I'd like to hear more from Jim Webb. Even Bernie is entertaining in a
way.

Ha. Imagine a hypothetical. Hillary wins the Democratic nomination.
The Donald, for some bizarre reason, wins the Republican.

A presidential election debate between the two of them would set records
for viewers, mostly looking for the entertainment aspect of it.

Neither can control what comes out of their mouths.




Jim Webb...who? (Yeah, I know who he is. He's a "who is he?"


It's not what he's known for it's what he's *not* known for. Hillary is
known to lie and be ineffective.

===

And that clearly defines the linkage between Harry and Hillary.

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On 7/29/15 2:47 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:43:35 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:30:05 -0400, Alex wrote:

Oh, please. Let's wait and see what the nomination cycle debates show.
I'd like to hear more from Jim Webb. Even Bernie is entertaining in a
way.

Ha. Imagine a hypothetical. Hillary wins the Democratic nomination.
The Donald, for some bizarre reason, wins the Republican.

A presidential election debate between the two of them would set records
for viewers, mostly looking for the entertainment aspect of it.

Neither can control what comes out of their mouths.




Jim Webb...who? (Yeah, I know who he is. He's a "who is he?"


It's not what he's known for it's what he's *not* known for. Hillary is
known to lie and be ineffective.

===

And that clearly defines the linkage between Harry and Hillary.

They paraphrased Mark 10:9 in their marriage vows

"What this slime hath joined together, let no house judiciary
committee put asunder" ;-)



The right-wing assholes in .wrecked.boats runneth over. :)

One of my buddies asked me if I used "twitter." "No," I said, "I get my
mandatory quota of moronic comments from the right-wingers who post on
rec.boats." He doesn't use twitter, either, but his kids do. Maybe they
can be encouraged to post here and raise the level of discussion, eh?

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On 7/28/15 11:10 PM, wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015 01:37:27 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

It didn't used to be but it is now. It is indistinguishable from New
Jersey until you get out on the Eastern shore or west of Frederick
(which was always more like Western Pennsylvania).



Spend less time in that raging florida sun and preserve what little of
your brain hasn't been fried. :)

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On 7/29/2015 2:47 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:43:35 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:30:05 -0400, Alex wrote:

Oh, please. Let's wait and see what the nomination cycle debates show.
I'd like to hear more from Jim Webb. Even Bernie is entertaining in a
way.

Ha. Imagine a hypothetical. Hillary wins the Democratic nomination.
The Donald, for some bizarre reason, wins the Republican.

A presidential election debate between the two of them would set records
for viewers, mostly looking for the entertainment aspect of it.

Neither can control what comes out of their mouths.




Jim Webb...who? (Yeah, I know who he is. He's a "who is he?"


It's not what he's known for it's what he's *not* known for. Hillary is
known to lie and be ineffective.

===

And that clearly defines the linkage between Harry and Hillary.

They paraphrased Mark 10:9 in their marriage vows

"What this slime hath joined together, let no house judiciary
committee put asunder" ;-)


Joined at the loins come hell or high water. Do you think Hillery had
presidential aspirations way back when Bill's pekker tracks were found
on Monika's blue dress? Mebbe he really didn't actually have real sex
with that woman. After all, he isn't known for "getting it done"

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Oooops ....
 

On 7/29/15 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:43:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 11:10 PM, wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015 01:37:27 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

It didn't used to be but it is now. It is indistinguishable from New
Jersey until you get out on the Eastern shore or west of Frederick
(which was always more like Western Pennsylvania).



Spend less time in that raging florida sun and preserve what little of
your brain hasn't been fried. :)

You weren't there so you don't know but Maryland used to be a border
state mixing northern and southern cultures but so many New Englanders
had moved there by the 80s, trying to make it "more like we do up
north" that they did.

You guys succeeded, it is now just like Connecticut. Even my friend
from New Haven, moved here (Bradenton) because he said Maryland had
become just like the place he had left before.

Maryland used to be the "Free State". That is now an obsolete term.
There is not much freedom and nothing is free.


I wasn't there? I wasn't "there" for the signing of the Magna Carta,
either, but I am aware of its history and I am also aware of Maryland's
history.

I'm hoping you know that Maryland's nickname as the "free state" has to
do with several sorts of freedom, one of which predates the American
Civil War by a considerable number of years.

I haven't discovered any limitations on "freedom" in Maryland, and I've
lived here nearly 15 years.

Oh, and Maryland still has the highest median family income of any state
in the Union and ranks second in per capita income and Connecticut is
still in the top five in median income and is first in per capita
income. Florida ranks 37th in median income, a few notches above South
Carolina, and 28th in per capita income.

So, what does Florida have? Nice beaches, good fishing, lots of
rednecks, and the crookedest governor in America. I can't think of much
else.

Oooops ....
 

On 7/29/15 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:12:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:43:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 11:10 PM, wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015 01:37:27 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

It didn't used to be but it is now. It is indistinguishable from New
Jersey until you get out on the Eastern shore or west of Frederick
(which was always more like Western Pennsylvania).



Spend less time in that raging florida sun and preserve what little of
your brain hasn't been fried. :)

You weren't there so you don't know but Maryland used to be a border
state mixing northern and southern cultures but so many New Englanders
had moved there by the 80s, trying to make it "more like we do up
north" that they did.

You guys succeeded, it is now just like Connecticut. Even my friend
from New Haven, moved here (Bradenton) because he said Maryland had
become just like the place he had left before.

Maryland used to be the "Free State". That is now an obsolete term.
There is not much freedom and nothing is free.


I wasn't there? I wasn't "there" for the signing of the Magna Carta,
either, but I am aware of its history and I am also aware of Maryland's
history.

I'm hoping you know that Maryland's nickname as the "free state" has to
do with several sorts of freedom, one of which predates the American
Civil War by a considerable number of years.

I haven't discovered any limitations on "freedom" in Maryland, and I've
lived here nearly 15 years.

You are comparing it to Connecticut, thanks for proving my point..


Oh, and Maryland still has the highest median family income of any state
in the Union and ranks second in per capita income and Connecticut is
still in the top five in median income and is first in per capita
income. Florida ranks 37th in median income, a few notches above South
Carolina, and 28th in per capita income.


That is simply a reflection of the amount of federal tax money that
oozes out into the DC suburbs. You take out the counties that are
considered a reasonable commute from DC and the counties with a large
federal presence and Maryland starts looking like Mississippi.

So, what does Florida have? Nice beaches, good fishing, lots of
rednecks, and the crookedest governor in America. I can't think of much
else.


Sounds good to me. Beats the hell out of Baltimore and PG county's
crime rate. You can get in the water in the summer without being stung
by sea nettles and this bay does not have your "dead zone" problem. I
have a natural estuary right next to me that is uniquely undeveloped
for the US and most of the rest of the world.
I will take it.
Coming from Connecticut, I assume you think Maryland is the unspoiled
frontier.

Scott has been OK for us. He hasn't stolen anything since he was
elected ;-)




Actually, the parts of Connecticut I love and remember and visit are
pretty much as they were when I was growing up there, in a suburb of New
Haven, and along the shoreline communities of Milford and Branford.
In fact, several of the beachfront cottages I recall in the Milford area
that were built 100 years ago have been beautifully maintained and
have sold in the last few years for a million and a half each...and
these are just cottages. Even the house my dad had built for us 50 years
ago is still in good shape, as is the neighborhood in which it is
situated. We did a drive-by a few years ago on the way to Providence.

We're pretty much Marylanders for the time being. My wife loves her job
in downtown DC and my handful of active accounts are in DC and
Baltimore. I don't have any issues with living in Maryland.

As I stated, Florida has nice beaches and good fishing...but from living
there for a few years, I can say, not much else. It's really backwards
politically outside of the SE area of the state and insanely religious
in the NE area of the state. Blech.

Oh, the topography and flora out Tallahassee way are interesting. I was
found of Tallahassee.

Oooops ....
 

On 7/29/15 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:01:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:12:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:43:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 11:10 PM, wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015 01:37:27 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

It didn't used to be but it is now. It is indistinguishable from New
Jersey until you get out on the Eastern shore or west of Frederick
(which was always more like Western Pennsylvania).



Spend less time in that raging florida sun and preserve what little of
your brain hasn't been fried. :)

You weren't there so you don't know but Maryland used to be a border
state mixing northern and southern cultures but so many New Englanders
had moved there by the 80s, trying to make it "more like we do up
north" that they did.

You guys succeeded, it is now just like Connecticut. Even my friend
from New Haven, moved here (Bradenton) because he said Maryland had
become just like the place he had left before.

Maryland used to be the "Free State". That is now an obsolete term.
There is not much freedom and nothing is free.


I wasn't there? I wasn't "there" for the signing of the Magna Carta,
either, but I am aware of its history and I am also aware of Maryland's
history.

I'm hoping you know that Maryland's nickname as the "free state" has to
do with several sorts of freedom, one of which predates the American
Civil War by a considerable number of years.

I haven't discovered any limitations on "freedom" in Maryland, and I've
lived here nearly 15 years.

You are comparing it to Connecticut, thanks for proving my point..


Oh, and Maryland still has the highest median family income of any state
in the Union and ranks second in per capita income and Connecticut is
still in the top five in median income and is first in per capita
income. Florida ranks 37th in median income, a few notches above South
Carolina, and 28th in per capita income.


That is simply a reflection of the amount of federal tax money that
oozes out into the DC suburbs. You take out the counties that are
considered a reasonable commute from DC and the counties with a large
federal presence and Maryland starts looking like Mississippi.

So, what does Florida have? Nice beaches, good fishing, lots of
rednecks, and the crookedest governor in America. I can't think of much
else.


Sounds good to me. Beats the hell out of Baltimore and PG county's
crime rate. You can get in the water in the summer without being stung
by sea nettles and this bay does not have your "dead zone" problem. I
have a natural estuary right next to me that is uniquely undeveloped
for the US and most of the rest of the world.
I will take it.
Coming from Connecticut, I assume you think Maryland is the unspoiled
frontier.

Scott has been OK for us. He hasn't stolen anything since he was
elected ;-)




Actually, the parts of Connecticut I love and remember and visit are
pretty much as they were when I was growing up there, in a suburb of New
Haven, and along the shoreline communities of Milford and Branford.
In fact, several of the beachfront cottages I recall in the Milford area
that were built 100 years ago have been beautifully maintained and
have sold in the last few years for a million and a half each...and
these are just cottages. Even the house my dad had built for us 50 years
ago is still in good shape, as is the neighborhood in which it is
situated. We did a drive-by a few years ago on the way to Providence.

We're pretty much Marylanders for the time being. My wife loves her job
in downtown DC and my handful of active accounts are in DC and
Baltimore. I don't have any issues with living in Maryland.

As I stated, Florida has nice beaches and good fishing...but from living
there for a few years, I can say, not much else. It's really backwards
politically outside of the SE area of the state and insanely religious
in the NE area of the state. Blech.

Oh, the topography and flora out Tallahassee way are interesting. I was
found of Tallahassee.


It sounds like you really do not have much actual experience in
Florida. Anyone who thinks SE Florida is attractive, must be a New
York or NY suburb person.
I agree the redneck riviera is a religious stronghold but it is really
just Baja Alabama. My daughter went to college in Pensacola and they
lived in Mexico Beach/Cape San Blas after that. We spent a lot of time
up there.
I am surprised you don't like the Tampa Bay area. It is urban enough
for you and still very blue. You can have the beach, the bay or lake
side up north of Tampa if you have the money. There is also a lot of
"horsey" country north of Tampa if you want to go that way.
SW Florida is not like any of those places.
We have been discovered and the developers are ****ing the place up
but I am pretty much isolated from all of that, living next to the
aquatic preserve. I spend more time in my boat than I do in my car.



I didn't say SE Florida was attractive, I said, indirectly, that it
wasn't backwards. I like the melange of cultures there, and since my
wife and I are Spanish-speakers, though she is better at it than I am,
we enjoy the area a lot.

My wife's grandmother lived in the Tampa Bay area, and we visited her
many times while she was alive and we lived in Florida. She had a
backyard full of citrus trees and it was a real pleasure to walk out in
the morning and "pick" my orange juice. I like the beaches in that area,
too. But I thought the climate was just too damned hot for me, beginning
- ack - in April. In fact, our household rule was to avoid any part of
Florida from Daytona south from April 1st to October.

NE Florida has some beautiful uncrowded beaches and estuary by-ways. I
enjoyed boating and fishing there. Easy, easy fishing, impossible to
come home without dinner. :)

Oooops ....
 

On 7/29/2015 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:01:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:12:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:43:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 11:10 PM, wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015 01:37:27 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

It didn't used to be but it is now. It is indistinguishable from New
Jersey until you get out on the Eastern shore or west of Frederick
(which was always more like Western Pennsylvania).



Spend less time in that raging florida sun and preserve what little of
your brain hasn't been fried. :)

You weren't there so you don't know but Maryland used to be a border
state mixing northern and southern cultures but so many New Englanders
had moved there by the 80s, trying to make it "more like we do up
north" that they did.

You guys succeeded, it is now just like Connecticut. Even my friend
from New Haven, moved here (Bradenton) because he said Maryland had
become just like the place he had left before.

Maryland used to be the "Free State". That is now an obsolete term.
There is not much freedom and nothing is free.


I wasn't there? I wasn't "there" for the signing of the Magna Carta,
either, but I am aware of its history and I am also aware of Maryland's
history.

I'm hoping you know that Maryland's nickname as the "free state" has to
do with several sorts of freedom, one of which predates the American
Civil War by a considerable number of years.

I haven't discovered any limitations on "freedom" in Maryland, and I've
lived here nearly 15 years.

You are comparing it to Connecticut, thanks for proving my point..


Oh, and Maryland still has the highest median family income of any state
in the Union and ranks second in per capita income and Connecticut is
still in the top five in median income and is first in per capita
income. Florida ranks 37th in median income, a few notches above South
Carolina, and 28th in per capita income.


That is simply a reflection of the amount of federal tax money that
oozes out into the DC suburbs. You take out the counties that are
considered a reasonable commute from DC and the counties with a large
federal presence and Maryland starts looking like Mississippi.

So, what does Florida have? Nice beaches, good fishing, lots of
rednecks, and the crookedest governor in America. I can't think of much
else.


Sounds good to me. Beats the hell out of Baltimore and PG county's
crime rate. You can get in the water in the summer without being stung
by sea nettles and this bay does not have your "dead zone" problem. I
have a natural estuary right next to me that is uniquely undeveloped
for the US and most of the rest of the world.
I will take it.
Coming from Connecticut, I assume you think Maryland is the unspoiled
frontier.

Scott has been OK for us. He hasn't stolen anything since he was
elected ;-)




Actually, the parts of Connecticut I love and remember and visit are
pretty much as they were when I was growing up there, in a suburb of New
Haven, and along the shoreline communities of Milford and Branford.
In fact, several of the beachfront cottages I recall in the Milford area
that were built 100 years ago have been beautifully maintained and
have sold in the last few years for a million and a half each...and
these are just cottages. Even the house my dad had built for us 50 years
ago is still in good shape, as is the neighborhood in which it is
situated. We did a drive-by a few years ago on the way to Providence.

We're pretty much Marylanders for the time being. My wife loves her job
in downtown DC and my handful of active accounts are in DC and
Baltimore. I don't have any issues with living in Maryland.

As I stated, Florida has nice beaches and good fishing...but from living
there for a few years, I can say, not much else. It's really backwards
politically outside of the SE area of the state and insanely religious
in the NE area of the state. Blech.

Oh, the topography and flora out Tallahassee way are interesting. I was
found of Tallahassee.


It sounds like you really do not have much actual experience in
Florida. Anyone who thinks SE Florida is attractive, must be a New
York or NY suburb person.
I agree the redneck riviera is a religious stronghold but it is really
just Baja Alabama. My daughter went to college in Pensacola and they
lived in Mexico Beach/Cape San Blas after that. We spent a lot of time
up there.
I am surprised you don't like the Tampa Bay area. It is urban enough
for you and still very blue. You can have the beach, the bay or lake
side up north of Tampa if you have the money. There is also a lot of
"horsey" country north of Tampa if you want to go that way.
SW Florida is not like any of those places.
We have been discovered and the developers are ****ing the place up
but I am pretty much isolated from all of that, living next to the
aquatic preserve. I spend more time in my boat than I do in my car.



We lived (winters only) in Jupiter, FL for three years. The coastal
areas were over-developed and busy but we didn't find it to be too bad.
Good restaurants and things to do. Our place was inland a bit, away
from all the traffic and congestion. There were areas further inland
that I used to go for motorcycle rides that were pretty much isolated
from any construction or even traffic.

I remember when we first started thinking about buying down there
(wife's idea .. I wanted to just live on the boat) some of our friends
up north warned us about hurricanes, so I did a little research. Turns
out the Jupiter, FL area had not had a direct hit for 100 years. I
realized that Florida is a big state and the chances of a direct hit in
any particular area is remote.

So, we bought. Actually, we bought two places within the same gated
community. In 14 months we were clobbered with three hurricanes, all
either direct hits or close enough to cause a lot of damage.

Oooops ....
 

On 7/29/15 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/29/2015 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:01:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:12:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:43:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 11:10 PM, wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015 01:37:27 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the
northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

It didn't used to be but it is now. It is indistinguishable from
New
Jersey until you get out on the Eastern shore or west of Frederick
(which was always more like Western Pennsylvania).



Spend less time in that raging florida sun and preserve what
little of
your brain hasn't been fried. :)

You weren't there so you don't know but Maryland used to be a border
state mixing northern and southern cultures but so many New
Englanders
had moved there by the 80s, trying to make it "more like we do up
north" that they did.

You guys succeeded, it is now just like Connecticut. Even my friend
from New Haven, moved here (Bradenton) because he said Maryland had
become just like the place he had left before.

Maryland used to be the "Free State". That is now an obsolete term.
There is not much freedom and nothing is free.


I wasn't there? I wasn't "there" for the signing of the Magna Carta,
either, but I am aware of its history and I am also aware of
Maryland's
history.

I'm hoping you know that Maryland's nickname as the "free state"
has to
do with several sorts of freedom, one of which predates the American
Civil War by a considerable number of years.

I haven't discovered any limitations on "freedom" in Maryland, and
I've
lived here nearly 15 years.

You are comparing it to Connecticut, thanks for proving my point..


Oh, and Maryland still has the highest median family income of any
state
in the Union and ranks second in per capita income and Connecticut is
still in the top five in median income and is first in per capita
income. Florida ranks 37th in median income, a few notches above South
Carolina, and 28th in per capita income.


That is simply a reflection of the amount of federal tax money that
oozes out into the DC suburbs. You take out the counties that are
considered a reasonable commute from DC and the counties with a large
federal presence and Maryland starts looking like Mississippi.

So, what does Florida have? Nice beaches, good fishing, lots of
rednecks, and the crookedest governor in America. I can't think of
much
else.


Sounds good to me. Beats the hell out of Baltimore and PG county's
crime rate. You can get in the water in the summer without being stung
by sea nettles and this bay does not have your "dead zone" problem. I
have a natural estuary right next to me that is uniquely undeveloped
for the US and most of the rest of the world.
I will take it.
Coming from Connecticut, I assume you think Maryland is the unspoiled
frontier.

Scott has been OK for us. He hasn't stolen anything since he was
elected ;-)




Actually, the parts of Connecticut I love and remember and visit are
pretty much as they were when I was growing up there, in a suburb of New
Haven, and along the shoreline communities of Milford and Branford.
In fact, several of the beachfront cottages I recall in the Milford area
that were built 100 years ago have been beautifully maintained and
have sold in the last few years for a million and a half each...and
these are just cottages. Even the house my dad had built for us 50 years
ago is still in good shape, as is the neighborhood in which it is
situated. We did a drive-by a few years ago on the way to Providence.

We're pretty much Marylanders for the time being. My wife loves her job
in downtown DC and my handful of active accounts are in DC and
Baltimore. I don't have any issues with living in Maryland.

As I stated, Florida has nice beaches and good fishing...but from living
there for a few years, I can say, not much else. It's really backwards
politically outside of the SE area of the state and insanely religious
in the NE area of the state. Blech.

Oh, the topography and flora out Tallahassee way are interesting. I was
found of Tallahassee.


It sounds like you really do not have much actual experience in
Florida. Anyone who thinks SE Florida is attractive, must be a New
York or NY suburb person.
I agree the redneck riviera is a religious stronghold but it is really
just Baja Alabama. My daughter went to college in Pensacola and they
lived in Mexico Beach/Cape San Blas after that. We spent a lot of time
up there.
I am surprised you don't like the Tampa Bay area. It is urban enough
for you and still very blue. You can have the beach, the bay or lake
side up north of Tampa if you have the money. There is also a lot of
"horsey" country north of Tampa if you want to go that way.
SW Florida is not like any of those places.
We have been discovered and the developers are ****ing the place up
but I am pretty much isolated from all of that, living next to the
aquatic preserve. I spend more time in my boat than I do in my car.



We lived (winters only) in Jupiter, FL for three years. The coastal
areas were over-developed and busy but we didn't find it to be too bad.
Good restaurants and things to do. Our place was inland a bit, away
from all the traffic and congestion. There were areas further inland
that I used to go for motorcycle rides that were pretty much isolated
from any construction or even traffic.

I remember when we first started thinking about buying down there
(wife's idea .. I wanted to just live on the boat) some of our friends
up north warned us about hurricanes, so I did a little research. Turns
out the Jupiter, FL area had not had a direct hit for 100 years. I
realized that Florida is a big state and the chances of a direct hit in
any particular area is remote.

So, we bought. Actually, we bought two places within the same gated
community. In 14 months we were clobbered with three hurricanes, all
either direct hits or close enough to cause a lot of damage.



In the good old days...the 1950s...the Connecticut shoreline seemed to
get clobbered at least twice a summer by hurricanes.

Oooops ....
 

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 12:12:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/29/15 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:43:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 11:10 PM, wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015 01:37:27 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

It didn't used to be but it is now. It is indistinguishable from New
Jersey until you get out on the Eastern shore or west of Frederick
(which was always more like Western Pennsylvania).



Spend less time in that raging florida sun and preserve what little of
your brain hasn't been fried. :)

You weren't there so you don't know but Maryland used to be a border
state mixing northern and southern cultures but so many New Englanders
had moved there by the 80s, trying to make it "more like we do up
north" that they did.

You guys succeeded, it is now just like Connecticut. Even my friend
from New Haven, moved here (Bradenton) because he said Maryland had
become just like the place he had left before.

Maryland used to be the "Free State". That is now an obsolete term.
There is not much freedom and nothing is free.


I wasn't there? I wasn't "there" for the signing of the Magna Carta,
either, but I am aware of its history and I am also aware of Maryland's
history.

I'm hoping you know that Maryland's nickname as the "free state" has to
do with several sorts of freedom, one of which predates the American
Civil War by a considerable number of years.

I haven't discovered any limitations on "freedom" in Maryland, and I've
lived here nearly 15 years.

Oh, and Maryland still has the highest median family income of any state
in the Union and ranks second in per capita income and Connecticut is
still in the top five in median income and is first in per capita
income. Florida ranks 37th in median income, a few notches above South
Carolina, and 28th in per capita income.

Only 5 or 6 states have a higher tax load than MD. The income numbers are boosted by MD's proximity to DC. I've seen western MD. And you have the ******** called Baltimore. My SIL lived in Bel Aire MD for a couple of years. Transferred out of there as fast as she could.

Oooops ....
 

On 7/29/2015 2:44 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/29/15 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/29/2015 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:01:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:12:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/29/15 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:43:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/28/15 11:10 PM, wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015 01:37:27 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:55:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I see Hillary as a moderate, not much different than the
northeast
Republicans of my youth,

Yup, Spiro Agnew springs to mind.

Maryland is considered northeast?

It didn't used to be but it is now. It is indistinguishable from
New
Jersey until you get out on the Eastern shore or west of Frederick
(which was always more like Western Pennsylvania).



Spend less time in that raging florida sun and preserve what
little of
your brain hasn't been fried. :)

You weren't there so you don't know but Maryland used to be a border
state mixing northern and southern cultures but so many New
Englanders
had moved there by the 80s, trying to make it "more like we do up
north" that they did.

You guys succeeded, it is now just like Connecticut. Even my friend
from New Haven, moved here (Bradenton) because he said Maryland had
become just like the place he had left before.

Maryland used to be the "Free State". That is now an obsolete term.
There is not much freedom and nothing is free.


I wasn't there? I wasn't "there" for the signing of the Magna Carta,
either, but I am aware of its history and I am also aware of
Maryland's
history.

I'm hoping you know that Maryland's nickname as the "free state"
has to
do with several sorts of freedom, one of which predates the American
Civil War by a considerable number of years.

I haven't discovered any limitations on "freedom" in Maryland, and
I've
lived here nearly 15 years.

You are comparing it to Connecticut, thanks for proving my point..


Oh, and Maryland still has the highest median family income of any
state
in the Union and ranks second in per capita income and Connecticut is
still in the top five in median income and is first in per capita
income. Florida ranks 37th in median income, a few notches above
South
Carolina, and 28th in per capita income.


That is simply a reflection of the amount of federal tax money that
oozes out into the DC suburbs. You take out the counties that are
considered a reasonable commute from DC and the counties with a large
federal presence and Maryland starts looking like Mississippi.

So, what does Florida have? Nice beaches, good fishing, lots of
rednecks, and the crookedest governor in America. I can't think of
much
else.


Sounds good to me. Beats the hell out of Baltimore and PG county's
crime rate. You can get in the water in the summer without being stung
by sea nettles and this bay does not have your "dead zone" problem. I
have a natural estuary right next to me that is uniquely undeveloped
for the US and most of the rest of the world.
I will take it.
Coming from Connecticut, I assume you think Maryland is the unspoiled
frontier.

Scott has been OK for us. He hasn't stolen anything since he was
elected ;-)




Actually, the parts of Connecticut I love and remember and visit are
pretty much as they were when I was growing up there, in a suburb of
New
Haven, and along the shoreline communities of Milford and Branford.
In fact, several of the beachfront cottages I recall in the Milford
area
that were built 100 years ago have been beautifully maintained and
have sold in the last few years for a million and a half each...and
these are just cottages. Even the house my dad had built for us 50
years
ago is still in good shape, as is the neighborhood in which it is
situated. We did a drive-by a few years ago on the way to Providence.

We're pretty much Marylanders for the time being. My wife loves her job
in downtown DC and my handful of active accounts are in DC and
Baltimore. I don't have any issues with living in Maryland.

As I stated, Florida has nice beaches and good fishing...but from
living
there for a few years, I can say, not much else. It's really backwards
politically outside of the SE area of the state and insanely religious
in the NE area of the state. Blech.

Oh, the topography and flora out Tallahassee way are interesting. I was
found of Tallahassee.


It sounds like you really do not have much actual experience in
Florida. Anyone who thinks SE Florida is attractive, must be a New
York or NY suburb person.
I agree the redneck riviera is a religious stronghold but it is really
just Baja Alabama. My daughter went to college in Pensacola and they
lived in Mexico Beach/Cape San Blas after that. We spent a lot of time
up there.
I am surprised you don't like the Tampa Bay area. It is urban enough
for you and still very blue. You can have the beach, the bay or lake
side up north of Tampa if you have the money. There is also a lot of
"horsey" country north of Tampa if you want to go that way.
SW Florida is not like any of those places.
We have been discovered and the developers are ****ing the place up
but I am pretty much isolated from all of that, living next to the
aquatic preserve. I spend more time in my boat than I do in my car.



We lived (winters only) in Jupiter, FL for three years. The coastal
areas were over-developed and busy but we didn't find it to be too bad.
Good restaurants and things to do. Our place was inland a bit, away
from all the traffic and congestion. There were areas further inland
that I used to go for motorcycle rides that were pretty much isolated
from any construction or even traffic.

I remember when we first started thinking about buying down there
(wife's idea .. I wanted to just live on the boat) some of our friends
up north warned us about hurricanes, so I did a little research. Turns
out the Jupiter, FL area had not had a direct hit for 100 years. I
realized that Florida is a big state and the chances of a direct hit in
any particular area is remote.

So, we bought. Actually, we bought two places within the same gated
community. In 14 months we were clobbered with three hurricanes, all
either direct hits or close enough to cause a lot of damage.



In the good old days...the 1950s...the Connecticut shoreline seemed to
get clobbered at least twice a summer by hurricanes.


Yabut, as I learned in Florida, the hurricanes we get up here, with rare
exceptions, are not like the hurricanes in Florida. Wilma scared the
crap out of me.

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On 7/29/2015 3:19 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:44:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



In the good old days...the 1950s...the Connecticut shoreline seemed to
get clobbered at least twice a summer by hurricanes.

I don't remember 2 a year but I do remember a few notable hurricanes,
Carol, Connie, Hazel and a few lesser storms that were mostly rain
events.



I think we get more weather damage from Nor'easters that come up the
coastline. They can produce a lot of rain (or snow), high winds and
typically last longer than a hurricane or tropical storm.

The "No Name" or "Perfect Storm" of 1991 did a lot of damage in
Massachusetts and basically shut the east coast down for a week or more.

Then there was last winter. A major snow storm every 5 days for over a
month. Yuck.

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On 7/29/2015 5:02 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:43:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:




Yabut, as I learned in Florida, the hurricanes we get up here, with rare
exceptions, are not like the hurricanes in Florida. Wilma scared the
crap out of me.


Charley was the exciting one for us. Wilma may have even blown harder
but it did not seem as bad for me, because of the wind direction..

You are right about the northern storms tho. A Cat 3 is very rare up
there (like 1938 or sumpin)

We got our worst surge from Bob, a fairly modest storm. It is all in
direction and duration.



Wilma was the first hurricane that I had ever had experienced the "eye"
passing overhead. It was eerie. For us on the east coast, the back
side winds were stronger than the front. Fortunately they didn't last
as long. If I remember correctly, the front was a 4 hour adventure that
slowly built the winds until the eye wall hit, then total calm.
I went outside to check on things and tried to make a cell phone call
home to my wife in MA. Then, crap started falling out of the sky ...
bits of wood, branches and stuff. They the backside hit, harder than
the front. Backside lasted about 2 hours.

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On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:55:21 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/29/2015 3:19 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:44:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



In the good old days...the 1950s...the Connecticut shoreline seemed to
get clobbered at least twice a summer by hurricanes.

I don't remember 2 a year but I do remember a few notable hurricanes,
Carol, Connie, Hazel and a few lesser storms that were mostly rain
events.



I think we get more weather damage from Nor'easters that come up the
coastline. They can produce a lot of rain (or snow), high winds and
typically last longer than a hurricane or tropical storm.

The "No Name" or "Perfect Storm" of 1991 did a lot of damage in
Massachusetts and basically shut the east coast down for a week or more.

Then there was last winter. A major snow storm every 5 days for over a
month. Yuck.

It wreaked havoc with golf down here!
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

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On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:12:00 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/27/15 2:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/27/2015 1:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/27/15 1:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/27/2015 12:18 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...

On 7/27/15 8:11 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

Now Hillary is changing her story ... just a little ... again, in
that
famous Clintonesque way.

This weekend, she modified her statement about sending or receiving
classified emails on her private server by saying, "I did not email
anything that was classified at the time." The "that was
classified
at the time" is new. Before this weekend she claimed she never
sent
any classified emails period.

Meanwhile, there is growing evidence, including from the NSA that
indeed, some of the emails contained information that was definitely
classified. Concern exists that classified information was
subject to
being compromised.

She violated government policy and rules. She denies it, yet now
alludes to the fact that some of the emails "may have become
classified".

When it was requested that the server's emails be turned over for
inspection, she first refused, then selectively offered the emails
she
was willing to release and "destroyed" the rest.

Trustworthy? What a joke.


She killed Vince Foster too. Got away with it.
While she was running drugs from South America.
There's no limit to her evil doings.



I think the never-ending criticism of Mrs. Clinton is little more than
desperation on the part of Republicans. That party has an incredible
collection of loudmouths, losers, racists, morons, religious nutcases,
ethnic haters, woman haters, civil rights haters, and whoever gets
that
party's nomination is going to be carrying more baggage than AMTRAK..
Individually, none of them has been getting the attention so richly
deserved.

Sure seems that way. I remember back in the '90's Limbaugh going after
her viciously. First time I realized that insanity had gone
mainstream.
Turned Limbaugh off my radio forever.
They'd have to get something solid on her before I'd believe it,
because
they've told so many outright lies about her she's been immunized in my
eyes. I get a kick out of Luddite's "outrage" at her caginess.
She's a politician, for crying out loud. They all lie.





I get a kick out of you giving Hillary's lies and deceitfulness a pass
"because she's a politician".



Is Jeb still lying about Hillary in order to score points with the
religious nutcases that underpin the GOP?


Beats me. I don't follow everything they all say. I see what's in the
news though.

I also don't subscribe or read right-wing or liberal-progressive blogs.
I don't listen to shows like "The Young Turks" either. Obviously,
you do.



Obviously, you are wrong. Once in a while something from the "Turks"
shows up on other sites I read. Don't fall into the right-wing trap here
of jumping to conclusions about information not in play.

No, you fall to the left-wing trap here of jumping to conclusions about information not in play.