Respray a non-classic?
 

My trusty daily driver is "up there" in years and miles, and I'm looking
at a replacement with one third the miles and very good mechanical
condition and service documentation. Body's in good shape, with no
visible damage (dents, tears, bruises, et cetera), but the exterior
paintwork is in really lousy shape...it looks like the owner spent time,
and a lot of it, driving behind gravel trucks with uncovered loads.
There are paint dings aplenty everywhere.

I'm toying with the idea of having it repainted. I've never had this
done. A friend who has had one of his cars repainted said it cost around
$2000, and that included removing all the trim, filling in dings and
scratches, sanding, a base coat, and maybe two top coats and a clear
coat. I forgot some of the details.

Does that sound about right? Too high, too low? Is it worth doing on a
nondescript seven year old vehicles?

Respray a non-classic?
 

On 7/22/2015 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:12:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

My trusty daily driver is "up there" in years and miles, and I'm looking
at a replacement with one third the miles and very good mechanical
condition and service documentation. Body's in good shape, with no
visible damage (dents, tears, bruises, et cetera), but the exterior
paintwork is in really lousy shape...it looks like the owner spent time,
and a lot of it, driving behind gravel trucks with uncovered loads.
There are paint dings aplenty everywhere.

I'm toying with the idea of having it repainted. I've never had this
done. A friend who has had one of his cars repainted said it cost around
$2000, and that included removing all the trim, filling in dings and
scratches, sanding, a base coat, and maybe two top coats and a clear
coat. I forgot some of the details.

Does that sound about right? Too high, too low? Is it worth doing on a
nondescript seven year old vehicles?

Without the details it is hard to say. I would shop around at a few
other places, just to see what a good price is.

This was $700 at Maaco but it didn't last long
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/redcar.jpg



The first ding in a new paint job will stand out like a sore thumb.
If it were me I'd just drive it as is and not worry about how it looks.

I don't know what good paint jobs go for now-a-days. Many years ago I
bought a 1965 Ford Galaxie LTD that had badly faded and worn paint.
I had it redone in one of the Ford paints for that year (powder blue).
IIRC it was about $750 which included removing and then replacing all
the trim rather than just masking it off. Also included the door jams
and all visible areas. So, $2,000 today for a similar job doesn't
sound unreasonable.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:12:45 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
My trusty daily driver is "up there" in years and miles, and I'm looking
at a replacement with one third the miles and very good mechanical
condition and service documentation. Body's in good shape, with no
visible damage (dents, tears, bruises, et cetera), but the exterior
paintwork is in really lousy shape...it looks like the owner spent time,
and a lot of it, driving behind gravel trucks with uncovered loads.
There are paint dings aplenty everywhere.

I'm toying with the idea of having it repainted. I've never had this
done. A friend who has had one of his cars repainted said it cost around
$2000, and that included removing all the trim, filling in dings and
scratches, sanding, a base coat, and maybe two top coats and a clear
coat. I forgot some of the details.

Does that sound about right? Too high, too low? Is it worth doing on a
nondescript seven year old vehicles?

Buy a $5 bottle of touch up paint (not spray) and spot paint the chips. The girls won't be chasing you anyway.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On 7/22/15 4:58 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:12:45 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
My trusty daily driver is "up there" in years and miles, and I'm looking
at a replacement with one third the miles and very good mechanical
condition and service documentation. Body's in good shape, with no
visible damage (dents, tears, bruises, et cetera), but the exterior
paintwork is in really lousy shape...it looks like the owner spent time,
and a lot of it, driving behind gravel trucks with uncovered loads.
There are paint dings aplenty everywhere.

I'm toying with the idea of having it repainted. I've never had this
done. A friend who has had one of his cars repainted said it cost around
$2000, and that included removing all the trim, filling in dings and
scratches, sanding, a base coat, and maybe two top coats and a clear
coat. I forgot some of the details.

Does that sound about right? Too high, too low? Is it worth doing on a
nondescript seven year old vehicles?

Buy a $5 bottle of touch up paint (not spray) and spot paint the chips. The girls won't be chasing you anyway.



Are you sure? :)

Respray a non-classic?
 

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 4:18:10 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:12:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

My trusty daily driver is "up there" in years and miles, and I'm looking
at a replacement with one third the miles and very good mechanical
condition and service documentation. Body's in good shape, with no
visible damage (dents, tears, bruises, et cetera), but the exterior
paintwork is in really lousy shape...it looks like the owner spent time,
and a lot of it, driving behind gravel trucks with uncovered loads.
There are paint dings aplenty everywhere.

I'm toying with the idea of having it repainted. I've never had this
done. A friend who has had one of his cars repainted said it cost around
$2000, and that included removing all the trim, filling in dings and
scratches, sanding, a base coat, and maybe two top coats and a clear
coat. I forgot some of the details.

Does that sound about right? Too high, too low? Is it worth doing on a
nondescript seven year old vehicles?

Without the details it is hard to say. I would shop around at a few
other places, just to see what a good price is.

This was $700 at Maaco but it didn't last long
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/redcar.jpg



The first ding in a new paint job will stand out like a sore thumb.
If it were me I'd just drive it as is and not worry about how it looks.

I don't know what good paint jobs go for now-a-days. Many years ago I
bought a 1965 Ford Galaxie LTD that had badly faded and worn paint.
I had it redone in one of the Ford paints for that year (powder blue).
IIRC it was about $750 which included removing and then replacing all
the trim rather than just masking it off. Also included the door jams
and all visible areas. So, $2,000 today for a similar job doesn't
sound unreasonable.

The kind of paint job you're talking about (door jambs, etc...) will be more than $2k these days. Maybe twice that. It's a ton of work.

A decent paint job will be $1500-2000, but all the trim won't be coming off and there will be no significant body filler applied for that kind of price. That's all labor intensive. As Gregg points out, you can get a spray for $500-1000, but there is minimal prep and it doesn't last long.

The actual painting of a car doesn't take long. The cost is in the prep labor, and then in the (good quality) paint. And those two things are primarily what makes a good paint job, along with the skill of the sprayer.

Respray a non-classic?
 

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.


I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.

Respray a non-classic?
 

True North wrote:
Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking
etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.

Earl shribe did my S10 pickup. Paint lasted well. Was maybe $500. I
still think they do it for less than 10 boat bucks.

Respray a non-classic?
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking
etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.


I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.

I find the best way these days is use Detailer Wax, I use Mcquirers, when
washing. Spray on the wax as you are drying the truck or boat.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.


I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.

Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:11:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.


I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.



I'm thinking my 2500HD Silverado will last me 'til I die (or can't pass the driver's
vision test). It's a 2009, pushing 75000, but doing well.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:29:44 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.


I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.

Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.

Maybe he drives something else when not needing the truck. Whenever I don't need the
truck, I'll ride the motorcycle. Saves gas, reducing my carbon footprint, and is more
fun. The Guzzi should hit 70,000 miles this week or next. That'll be about 207,000
miles on two Moto Guzzis. No wonder I like them.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Respray a non-classic?
 

True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.

I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.
Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.


25% of those miles were attempts at backing your rotting aluminum boat
into the driveway. Deduct that and you certainly spend a lot of time
doing...nothing.

Respray a non-classic?
 

Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking
etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.

I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.
Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.


25% of those miles were attempts at backing your rotting aluminum boat
into the driveway. Deduct that and you certainly spend a lot of time doing...nothing.

Must be Halifax waters. I saw some Legends, older ones, on my last trip to
BC. Still going. Not a great looking boat, but is a boat.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On Thursday, 23 July 2015 20:45:22 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.

I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.
Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.


25% of those miles were attempts at backing your rotting aluminum boat
into the driveway. Deduct that and you certainly spend a lot of time
doing...nothing.


Sorry to disappoint you Ditzy but my boat was repaired last fall...and the proper way as per my instructions.
Why don't you go sit on one of your guns and give yourself a cheap thrill.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:35:20 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking
etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.

I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.
Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.


25% of those miles were attempts at backing your rotting aluminum boat
into the driveway. Deduct that and you certainly spend a lot of time doing...nothing.

Must be Halifax waters. I saw some Legends, older ones, on my last trip to
BC. Still going. Not a great looking boat, but is a boat.

Recreational boaters, according to Don, are allowed to dump raw sewage into the
harbor. Maybe that's causing the rapid deterioration of his boat.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On 7/24/15 3:25 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:35:20 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking
etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.

I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.
Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.


25% of those miles were attempts at backing your rotting aluminum boat
into the driveway. Deduct that and you certainly spend a lot of time doing...nothing.

Must be Halifax waters. I saw some Legends, older ones, on my last trip to
BC. Still going. Not a great looking boat, but is a boat.

Recreational boaters, according to Don, are allowed to dump raw sewage into the
harbor. Maybe that's causing the rapid deterioration of his boat.


Troll.

Respray a non-classic?
 

On 7/22/2015 6:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:


I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.


I have a "97" Toyota T-100 silver/grey, it has 90k miles on it.
Paint still looks great except for a few belt buckle scratches in
the clear coat.
My daughter knocked down a telephone pole with it. Luckily she hit
where the frame runs front to rear. I had to change the bumper and the
headlight ass'y, the grill piece was still good. Parts were less than
$500, the telephone pole about $4,000. The power company wanted $8,500,
for their work, I negotiated it down to $5,500 at $100 a month.
After a couple years, I offered a lump sum pay off and they took it.
Oh, the Toyota, I have had it 16 years, only problems I have had are a
couple of batteries and I had to replace the contacts in the starter
solenoid twice. I should probably order some, as I recall the cost is
about 1/5 over the internet than from my local Toyota dealer.
Mikek




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On 7/24/2015 4:49 PM, amdx wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:


I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.


I have a "97" Toyota T-100 silver/grey, it has 90k miles on it.
Paint still looks great except for a few belt buckle scratches in
the clear coat.
My daughter knocked down a telephone pole with it. Luckily she hit
where the frame runs front to rear. I had to change the bumper and the
headlight ass'y, the grill piece was still good. Parts were less than
$500, the telephone pole about $4,000. The power company wanted $8,500,
for their work, I negotiated it down to $5,500 at $100 a month.
After a couple years, I offered a lump sum pay off and they took it.
Oh, the Toyota, I have had it 16 years, only problems I have had are a
couple of batteries and I had to replace the contacts in the starter
solenoid twice. I should probably order some, as I recall the cost is
about 1/5 over the internet than from my local Toyota dealer.
Mikek




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I can remember many years back that just about all the manufacturers had
problems with silver or light grey paint. It had something to do
with the unique pigments used and the paint wouldn't stick to the
primer. In short order it would start to peel.

Obviously that problem has been solved.

Respray a non-classic?
 

True North wrote:
On Thursday, 23 July 2015 20:45:22 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work, masking etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a couple 10+ years.

I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on - wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer. I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.
Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.

25% of those miles were attempts at backing your rotting aluminum boat
into the driveway. Deduct that and you certainly spend a lot of time
doing...nothing.

Sorry to disappoint you Ditzy but my boat was repaired last fall...and the proper way as per my instructions.
Why don't you go sit on one of your guns and give yourself a cheap thrill.

Per your instructions? When did you get your degree?

Respray a non-classic?
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/24/15 3:25 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:35:20 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:11:04 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 6:38 PM, True North wrote:

Ghd used to be a local shop that let you do all the body work,
masking
etc and they would spray it for a reasonable price.
I've never had a vehicle re-painted....even though I've had a
couple 10+ years.

I decided to wax my 7 year old truck the other day for the first
time
since I bought it. It's a metallic grey with a clear coat.

After carefully washing it (that took about 45 minutes), drying
it off
with a chamois that took another half hour and then the wax on -
wax off
by hand for well over an hour it makes you realize that a F-250 is a
large truck.

After it was done it really didn't look any different or better than
before I started. I think the paint and clear coat used on vehicles
now-a-days (even in 2008) are far superior than the paint of past
years.

I like Ford trucks. This one should last me for a while longer.
I've
had it since 2008 and it just turned 32K miles.
Wow! You drive less than I do.
28 month old Toyota Highlander has 22000km.
My 2009 RAV 4 had 44000km when I traded it at 4 years.


25% of those miles were attempts at backing your rotting aluminum boat
into the driveway. Deduct that and you certainly spend a lot of
time doing...nothing.

Must be Halifax waters. I saw some Legends, older ones, on my last
trip to
BC. Still going. Not a great looking boat, but is a boat.

Recreational boaters, according to Don, are allowed to dump raw
sewage into the
harbor. Maybe that's causing the rapid deterioration of his boat.


Troll.

No, that is a true statement.