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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:57:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/8/2015 4:49 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 15:24:49 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:37:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/8/2015 12:07 PM, Justan Olphat wrote: On 7/8/2015 11:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 7/8/15, 11:15 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:04:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/8/15, 10:55 AM, wrote: On 8 Jul 2015 11:56:55 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are heading north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the house sitter is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of the world's problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and what The Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done in our absence to ratchet up the hate talk. ?? Your absence was a refreshing break from the rancor, ad hominem attack and off topic bull**** prevalent in your posts. In fact we didn't hear from "slammer" either which is curious in itself. Coincidence? Probably not. I suspect it is just another of your many screen names. assumptions about addictions that have little basis in science (well, excluding yours...you're more correct). I am citing NIH and NIMH among several others with good credentials, Richard hasn't cited anyone. Do you have a citation? Read for content. Your assumptions about addictions, as I said, are more correct than several of the others quoted here. I don't need "citations" for knowledge about addictions. My wife has 25+ years of expert knowledge in the field, and has researched, written, and testified in court as an expert witness about addictions and the difficulties in overcoming them, and we have discussed the horrors of substance abuse and addictions many times. Oh, and your comment that Slammer and I sometimes are here at the same time is a pullback from your statement that you suspect Slammer is "just another of (my) many screen names. Slammer is far more like some of your trashy rightie buddies here than he is like me. A few courses in college-level "Engrish" might do wonders for your reading comprehension abilities and your abilities to write what you mean, eh? It's never too late for formal edu-ma-cat-ion. A friendly suggestion, F O A D. We should be so lucky. Your wife of 25 years isn't any brighter than the thousands of other nut cases pretending to be experts in the mental health field. The expertise is in doling out behavior altering drugs at an alarming rate, when they should be treating and curing patients. Your knowledge, gleaned from a unqualified expert, is as useless as tits on a bull. Ya hear? You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a straight answer. If addicts had the answer, they would stop It is possible if they work at it. No one said it was easy. According to the CDC the rate of heroin abuse or dependence has jumped 90% between 2002 and 2013. I guess Greg would claim it was a bad decade for genes. More like a social phenomena based on peer pressure and choices. I do believe that children of alcoholics or drug addicts have a propensity to follow in the footsteps of the parents. I also believe peer pressure, especially in the teen years, plays one hell of a role. But, it's still a choice. I'd explain the point you boys are missing but...why bother, eh? -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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True North wrote:
Keyser Söze "Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are heading north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the house sitter is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of the world's problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and what The Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done in our absence to ratchet up the hate talk. âš“ï¸" You'll be happy to hear that 'The Johnny' is getting lots of use from his land barge....or so he says, the Ditzy One is as snarly as usual and the Sitnky One keeps on polluting the atmosphere. Business as usual while you were away. Nice reporting, dip****. What, or who, is Sitnky? Your Russian mail order whore? |
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F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/8/15, 11:15 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:04:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/8/15, 10:55 AM, wrote: On 8 Jul 2015 11:56:55 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are heading north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the house sitter is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of the world's problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and what The Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done in our absence to ratchet up the hate talk. ?? Your absence was a refreshing break from the rancor, ad hominem attack and off topic bull**** prevalent in your posts. In fact we didn't hear from "slammer" either which is curious in itself. Coincidence? Probably not. I suspect it is just another of your many screen names. assumptions about addictions that have little basis in science (well, excluding yours...you're more correct). I am citing NIH and NIMH among several others with good credentials, Richard hasn't cited anyone. Do you have a citation? Read for content. Your assumptions about addictions, as I said, are more correct than several of the others quoted here. I don't need "citations" for knowledge about addictions. My wife has 25+ years of expert knowledge in the field, and has researched, written, and testified in court as an expert witness about addictions and the difficulties in overcoming them, and we have discussed the horrors of substance abuse and addictions many times. Oh, and your comment that Slammer and I sometimes are here at the same time is a pullback from your statement that you suspect Slammer is "just another of (my) many screen names. Slammer is far more like some of your trashy rightie buddies here than he is like me. A few courses in college-level "Engrish" might do wonders for your reading comprehension abilities and your abilities to write what you mean, eh? It's never too late for formal edu-ma-cat-ion. I'll have to assemble a compilation of your posts so she can analyze them to get some insight on the guy she supports financially. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/8/15, 11:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:26:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/8/15, 11:15 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:04:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/8/15, 10:55 AM, wrote: On 8 Jul 2015 11:56:55 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are heading north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the house sitter is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of the world's problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and what The Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done in our absence to ratchet up the hate talk. ?? Your absence was a refreshing break from the rancor, ad hominem attack and off topic bull**** prevalent in your posts. In fact we didn't hear from "slammer" either which is curious in itself. Coincidence? Probably not. I suspect it is just another of your many screen names. assumptions about addictions that have little basis in science (well, excluding yours...you're more correct). I am citing NIH and NIMH among several others with good credentials, Richard hasn't cited anyone. Do you have a citation? Read for content. Your assumptions about addictions, as I said, are more correct than several of the others quoted here. I don't need "citations" for knowledge about addictions. My wife has 25+ years of expert knowledge in the field, and has researched, written, and testified in court as an expert witness about addictions and the difficulties in overcoming them, and we have discussed the horrors of substance abuse and addictions many times. Oh, and your comment that Slammer and I sometimes are here at the same time is a pullback from your statement that you suspect Slammer is "just another of (my) many screen names. Slammer is far more like some of your trashy rightie buddies here than he is like me. A few courses in college-level "Engrish" might do wonders for your reading comprehension abilities and your abilities to write what you mean, eh? It's never too late for formal edu-ma-cat-ion. Like I said, the lack of rancor, ad hominem attack was refreshing. How was your trip? Did your boat perform as expected? Anything unusual or interesting happen? There's always rancor in here...where it is directed depends upon who is present, eh? I saw plenty of rancor aimed at Greeks and those suffering from various addictions and, of course, the usual suspects taking cheap shots at Don. Still on the trip...not back yet. Yet you are posting from a Mac. Do you believe _all_ of your lies? Have you convinced yourself that you *haven't* screwed your fellow taxpayers with your debts and bankruptcy/bankruptcies? |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/8/15, 1:47 PM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:30:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/8/15, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:28:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Just realized I was using F.O.A.D. on this machine, instead of Keyser Söze. Fixed, I think. Yeah, lionizing a homicidal maniac is better than a simple insult.. I guess Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson were already taken. ;-) An imaginary homicidal maniac in a work of fiction who became homicidal after his family was attacked. Oh, wait, *you* thought Keyser Söze was a real person, right? So was Hannibal Lecter but I doubt anyone wants to identify with him ... even if he does have a great education. Hannibal was a real imaginary fella. Keyser Söze was an imaginary imaginary fella. :) You certainly can identify with imaginary things! FYI - Debts are real. |
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On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a straight answer. If addicts had the answer, they would stop They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em. Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do? In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is it? The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome that they are looking at. Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say "successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they can even start to think clearly. It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns within a state. Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others? Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices. The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the reasons he drank. Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses. He has chosen not to drink. |
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On Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:17:00 UTC-3, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a straight answer. If addicts had the answer, they would stop They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em. Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do? In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is it? The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome that they are looking at. Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say "successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they can even start to think clearly. It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns within a state. Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others? Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices. The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the reasons he drank. Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses. He has chosen not to drink. You still have not explained why some people can drink responsibly and others can't. There must be something different in their physiology. It certainly goes farther than simple will power. I already addressed the spike in heroin abuse. "pain pills" seems to be the "gateway drug" although that is not really a gateway drug since most pain pills are still basically opium, just in a legal package that doctors hand out like candy. Virtually every doctor I have been to in 3 decades has tried to get me to take some kind of pain pill.. Say what?? Mine tells me to tough it out. Right knee is bothering me these days..especially on stairs, and we have three flights in this house. Dragging laundry down and back from the 2nd floor to the basement is a chore. I asked him about an x-ray on it since I had completed my 13 month ordeal on steroids..but he said..what for? It wouldn't do anything for my knee except to tell me how long it might be before I need a manufactured one. D'oh!.....since it usually takes 18 months or so to get one, I'd like to get a head start on the lineup. |
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On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 12:17:39 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:17:00 UTC-3, wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a straight answer. If addicts had the answer, they would stop They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em. Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do? In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is it? The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome that they are looking at. Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say "successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they can even start to think clearly. It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns within a state. Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others? Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices. The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the reasons he drank. Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses. He has chosen not to drink. You still have not explained why some people can drink responsibly and others can't. There must be something different in their physiology. It certainly goes farther than simple will power. I already addressed the spike in heroin abuse. "pain pills" seems to be the "gateway drug" although that is not really a gateway drug since most pain pills are still basically opium, just in a legal package that doctors hand out like candy. Virtually every doctor I have been to in 3 decades has tried to get me to take some kind of pain pill.. Say what?? Mine tells me to tough it out. Right knee is bothering me these days..especially on stairs, and we have three flights in this house. Dragging laundry down and back from the 2nd floor to the basement is a chore. I asked him about an x-ray on it since I had completed my 13 month ordeal on steroids..but he said..what for? It wouldn't do anything for my knee except to tell me how long it might be before I need a manufactured one. D'oh!....since it usually takes 18 months or so to get one, I'd like to get a head start on the lineup. Sounds like your "free" medical care is trying to limit your access to pain pills and prosthetic joints. That's what happens when you surrender your choices to government bean-counters. |
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