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On 7/9/2015 12:17 PM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:17:00 UTC-3, wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a straight answer. If addicts had the answer, they would stop They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em. Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do? In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is it? The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome that they are looking at. Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say "successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they can even start to think clearly. It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns within a state. Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others? Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices. The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the reasons he drank. Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses. He has chosen not to drink. You still have not explained why some people can drink responsibly and others can't. There must be something different in their physiology. It certainly goes farther than simple will power. I already addressed the spike in heroin abuse. "pain pills" seems to be the "gateway drug" although that is not really a gateway drug since most pain pills are still basically opium, just in a legal package that doctors hand out like candy. Virtually every doctor I have been to in 3 decades has tried to get me to take some kind of pain pill.. Say what?? Mine tells me to tough it out. Right knee is bothering me these days..especially on stairs, and we have three flights in this house. Dragging laundry down and back from the 2nd floor to the basement is a chore. I asked him about an x-ray on it since I had completed my 13 month ordeal on steroids..but he said..what for? It wouldn't do anything for my knee except to tell me how long it might be before I need a manufactured one. D'oh!....since it usually takes 18 months or so to get one, I'd like to get a head start on the lineup. Jump across the border and have it done in the US for free. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:17:00 UTC-3, wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a straight answer. If addicts had the answer, they would stop They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em. Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do? In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is it? The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome that they are looking at. Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say "successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they can even start to think clearly. It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns within a state. Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others? Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices. The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the reasons he drank. Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses. He has chosen not to drink. You still have not explained why some people can drink responsibly and others can't. There must be something different in their physiology. It certainly goes farther than simple will power. I already addressed the spike in heroin abuse. "pain pills" seems to be the "gateway drug" although that is not really a gateway drug since most pain pills are still basically opium, just in a legal package that doctors hand out like candy. Virtually every doctor I have been to in 3 decades has tried to get me to take some kind of pain pill.. Say what?? Mine tells me to tough it out. Right knee is bothering me these days..especially on stairs, and we have three flights in this house. Dragging laundry down and back from the 2nd floor to the basement is a chore. I asked him about an x-ray on it since I had completed my 13 month ordeal on steroids..but he said..what for? It wouldn't do anything for my knee except to tell me how long it might be before I need a manufactured one. D'oh!....since it usually takes 18 months or so to get one, I'd like to get a head start on the lineup. Canadian health care at it's finest! |
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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:33:18 -0400, Alex wrote:
Still on the trip...not back yet. Yet you are posting from a Mac. Do you believe _all_ of your lies? Have you convinced yourself that you *haven't* screwed your fellow taxpayers with your debts and bankruptcy/bankruptcies? === Careful now, rats are very dangerous animals when backed into a corner. |
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On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 9:31:10 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:33:18 -0400, Alex wrote: Still on the trip...not back yet. Yet you are posting from a Mac. Do you believe _all_ of your lies? Have you convinced yourself that you *haven't* screwed your fellow taxpayers with your debts and bankruptcy/bankruptcies? === Careful now, rats are very dangerous animals when backed into a corner. Heh. Harry the Rat. How very fitting. How can you purport to be a champion of the common man when you fail to pay your taxes and debts, and in the end just hurt the common man? I'll never understand that mindset. |
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On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 8:22:30 PM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
Nice reporting, dip****. What, or who, is Sitnky? Your Russian mail order whore? No, that's the name of the Male Stripper he hired in Toronto when he was getting Lap Dances in the Gay Bar. |
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On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 12:17:39 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
I'd like to get a head start on the lineup. Suck enough dicks, and you'll be at the front of the line. All your tough talk, and you got a " gimp " leg? WHAT A ****ING JOKE. |
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On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
18 months to get a knee...wow. That socialized medicine is working well for you. Unreal. Dicklicker Donnie has been ON his knees so many times....one is worn out ! PAaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha |
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On Friday, 10 July 2015 01:03:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 12:17:39 PM UTC-4, True North wrote: I'd like to get a head start on the lineup. Suck enough dicks, and you'll be at the front of the line. All your tough talk, and you got a " gimp " leg? WHAT A ****ING JOKE. This "gimp leg" could kick the pig valve right out of that "gimp" heart. Mr Pervert. |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:52:05 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Friday, 10 July 2015 01:03:36 UTC-3, wrote: On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 12:17:39 PM UTC-4, True North wrote: I'd like to get a head start on the lineup. Suck enough dicks, and you'll be at the front of the line. All your tough talk, and you got a " gimp " leg? WHAT A ****ING JOKE. This "gimp leg" could kick the pig valve right out of that "gimp" heart. Mr Pervert. Still infatuated with slammer, eh? Birds of a feather... -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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John H.
- show quoted text - "Still infatuated with slammer, eh? Birds of a feather... " Still coming to the aid of the newsgroup pervert, Johnnymop? What does that say about you? |
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On 7/10/2015 7:52 AM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 10 July 2015 01:03:36 UTC-3, wrote: On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 12:17:39 PM UTC-4, True North wrote: I'd like to get a head start on the lineup. Suck enough dicks, and you'll be at the front of the line. All your tough talk, and you got a " gimp " leg? WHAT A ****ING JOKE. This "gimp leg" could kick the pig valve right out of that "gimp" heart. Mr Pervert. Do you think you will get that bionic knee before you are confined to a wheelchair? 18 months is a loooooong time. Wish you the best. :-) -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 7/10/2015 8:31 AM, True North wrote:
John H. - show quoted text - "Still infatuated with slammer, eh? Birds of a feather..." Still coming to the aid of the newsgroup pervert, Johnnymop? What does that say about you? He isn't the one who traveled hundreds of miles from his island to spend the afternoon in a homosexual strip bar. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:31:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
John H. - show quoted text - "Still infatuated with slammer, eh? Birds of a feather... " Still coming to the aid of the newsgroup pervert, Johnnymop? What does that say about you? 'Aid'? I think he's a piece of crap. Don't see his stuff unless you post it. Both of you belong in the same bag. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 7/10/15 9:03 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:31:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "Still infatuated with slammer, eh? Birds of a feather..." Still coming to the aid of the newsgroup pervert, Johnnymop? What does that say about you? 'Aid'? I think he's a piece of crap. Is he a racist like you? |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:23:22 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/10/15 9:03 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:31:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: John H. - show quoted text - "Still infatuated with slammer, eh? Birds of a feather..." Still coming to the aid of the newsgroup pervert, Johnnymop? What does that say about you? 'Aid'? I think he's a piece of crap. Is he a racist like you? Ask Don. He and slammer seem to know all about each other. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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Yes Johnny, Dickson is the most overt racist in here...he has no problem shouting out the 'N' word when he feels like it.
I'd like to introduced even him to some of the notorious Nova Scotia black natives who operate criminal organizations in Toronto, London and some other Southern Ontario areas. I imagine you'd have a position to fill on your Moppetts roster. |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:02:25 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
Yes Johnny, Dickson is the most overt racist in here...he has no problem shouting out the 'N' word when he feels like it. I'd like to introduced even him to some of the notorious Nova Scotia black natives who operate criminal organizations in Toronto, London and some other Southern Ontario areas. I imagine you'd have a position to fill on your Moppetts roster. Most of us wouldn't know. We don't follow him. Do you follow him on Facebook and Twitter also? "I'd like to introduced even him..." Say what? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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"I'd like to introduce you to my little friend", Johnny.
It's called a Blackberry PlayBook and it had a mind of it's own. |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:18:14 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
"I'd like to introduce you to my little friend", Johnny. It's called a Blackberry PlayBook and it had a mind of it's own. I honestly don't wish to meet any of your little friends, Don, especially your little friend slammer. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:30:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/8/15, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:28:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Just realized I was using F.O.A.D. on this machine, instead of Keyser Söze. Fixed, I think. Yeah, lionizing a homicidal maniac is better than a simple insult.. I guess Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson were already taken. ;-) An imaginary homicidal maniac in a work of fiction who became homicidal after his family was attacked. Oh, wait, *you* thought Keyser Söze was a real person, right? So was Hannibal Lecter but I doubt anyone wants to identify with him ... even if he does have a great education. It gives harry a feeling of power. He lives in his fantasies, he thinks he is some kind of badass:) |
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True North wrote:
Yes Johnny, Dickson is the most overt racist in here...he has no problem shouting out the 'N' word when he feels like it. I'd like to introduced even him to some of the notorious Nova Scotia black natives who operate criminal organizations in Toronto, London and some other Southern Ontario areas. I imagine you'd have a position to fill on your Moppetts roster. I'd like to introduced? You can stop correcting people's typos any time now. |
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True North wrote:
"I'd like to introduce you to my little friend", Johnny. It's called a Blackberry PlayBook and it had a mind of it's own. It's a POS and *you* have a mind of your own. Evidently it isn't in great shape or you would have used it. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:37:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 7/8/2015 12:07 PM, Justan Olphat wrote: On 7/8/2015 11:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 7/8/15, 11:15 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:04:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/8/15, 10:55 AM, wrote: On 8 Jul 2015 11:56:55 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are heading north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the house sitter is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of the world's problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and what The Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done in our absence to ratchet up the hate talk. ?? Your absence was a refreshing break from the rancor, ad hominem attack and off topic bull**** prevalent in your posts. In fact we didn't hear from "slammer" either which is curious in itself. Coincidence? Probably not. I suspect it is just another of your many screen names. assumptions about addictions that have little basis in science (well, excluding yours...you're more correct). I am citing NIH and NIMH among several others with good credentials, Richard hasn't cited anyone. Do you have a citation? Read for content. Your assumptions about addictions, as I said, are more correct than several of the others quoted here. I don't need "citations" for knowledge about addictions. My wife has 25+ years of expert knowledge in the field, and has researched, written, and testified in court as an expert witness about addictions and the difficulties in overcoming them, and we have discussed the horrors of substance abuse and addictions many times. Oh, and your comment that Slammer and I sometimes are here at the same time is a pullback from your statement that you suspect Slammer is "just another of (my) many screen names. Slammer is far more like some of your trashy rightie buddies here than he is like me. A few courses in college-level "Engrish" might do wonders for your reading comprehension abilities and your abilities to write what you mean, eh? It's never too late for formal edu-ma-cat-ion. A friendly suggestion, F O A D. We should be so lucky. Your wife of 25 years isn't any brighter than the thousands of other nut cases pretending to be experts in the mental health field. The expertise is in doling out behavior altering drugs at an alarming rate, when they should be treating and curing patients. Your knowledge, gleaned from a unqualified expert, is as useless as tits on a bull. Ya hear? You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a straight answer. If addicts had the answer, they would stop They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em. That's not it. By the time it's effecting their life, they don't "feel good" anymore. The "addiction" is the need to chase that feeling. Addictions come in a lot of forms, some folks continually tell outrageous lies to try to find that feeling...:) |
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On 7/10/15 10:34 PM, Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:30:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/8/15, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:28:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Just realized I was using F.O.A.D. on this machine, instead of Keyser Söze. Fixed, I think. Yeah, lionizing a homicidal maniac is better than a simple insult.. I guess Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson were already taken. ;-) An imaginary homicidal maniac in a work of fiction who became homicidal after his family was attacked. Oh, wait, *you* thought Keyser Söze was a real person, right? So was Hannibal Lecter but I doubt anyone wants to identify with him ... even if he does have a great education. It gives harry a feeling of power. He lives in his fantasies, he thinks he is some kind of badass:) Actually, *you* are the one who thinks he is some kind of badass, recalling your days of "challenging" posters to come by your house to beat the crap out of you, and hanging out with "full patch" biker gang members. I don't know any biker gang members. How's that motorbike racing team you manage? I didn't see your colours at the televised Isle of Man races. |
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On Friday, July 10, 2015 at 7:47:28 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/10/15 10:34 PM, Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote: wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:30:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/8/15, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:28:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Just realized I was using F.O.A.D. on this machine, instead of Keyser Söze. Fixed, I think. Yeah, lionizing a homicidal maniac is better than a simple insult.. I guess Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson were already taken. ;-) An imaginary homicidal maniac in a work of fiction who became homicidal after his family was attacked. Oh, wait, *you* thought Keyser Söze was a real person, right? So was Hannibal Lecter but I doubt anyone wants to identify with him ... even if he does have a great education. It gives harry a feeling of power. He lives in his fantasies, he thinks he is some kind of badass:) Actually, *you* are the one who thinks he is some kind of badass, recalling your days of "challenging" posters to come by your house to beat the crap out of you, and hanging out with "full patch" biker gang members. I don't know any biker gang members. How's that motorbike racing team you manage? I didn't see your colours at the televised Isle of Man races. Colours? Hugged or kissed any goats lately? Hows the imaginary Ducati running these days? You haven't a clue about what its like to race bikes, nor what the TT is all about. I did file for an extention on my taxes, Could you help me out? Oh wait, Nevermind. |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:35:13 -0400, Alex wrote:
True North wrote: Yes Johnny, Dickson is the most overt racist in here...he has no problem shouting out the 'N' word when he feels like it. I'd like to introduced even him to some of the notorious Nova Scotia black natives who operate criminal organizations in Toronto, London and some other Southern Ontario areas. I imagine you'd have a position to fill on your Moppetts roster. I'd like to introduced? You can stop correcting people's typos any time now. He clarified that by saying: " "I'd like to introduce you to my little friend", Johnny. Told him I didn't want to meet his friend, slammer, or any others. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:47:25 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/10/15 10:34 PM, Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote: wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:30:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/8/15, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:28:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Just realized I was using F.O.A.D. on this machine, instead of Keyser Söze. Fixed, I think. Yeah, lionizing a homicidal maniac is better than a simple insult.. I guess Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson were already taken. ;-) An imaginary homicidal maniac in a work of fiction who became homicidal after his family was attacked. Oh, wait, *you* thought Keyser Söze was a real person, right? So was Hannibal Lecter but I doubt anyone wants to identify with him ... even if he does have a great education. It gives harry a feeling of power. He lives in his fantasies, he thinks he is some kind of badass:) Actually, *you* are the one who thinks he is some kind of badass, recalling your days of "challenging" posters to come by your house to beat the crap out of you, and hanging out with "full patch" biker gang members. I don't know any biker gang members. Bull****. You know me, and I'm a lifetime member of two gangs - Moto Guzzi National Owners Club and the American Motorcycle Association. Now you can brag some more about being a bad ass. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Saturday, 11 July 2015 08:31:54 UTC-3, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:35:13 -0400, Alex wrote: True North wrote: Yes Johnny, Dickson is the most overt racist in here...he has no problem shouting out the 'N' word when he feels like it. I'd like to introduced even him to some of the notorious Nova Scotia black natives who operate criminal organizations in Toronto, London and some other Southern Ontario areas. I imagine you'd have a position to fill on your Moppetts roster. I'd like to introduced? You can stop correcting people's typos any time now. He clarified that by saying: " "I'd like to introduce you to my little friend", Johnny. Told him I didn't want to meet his friend, slammer, or any others. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. Sorry if I got you all hot and lathered up, Johnny. I wasn't talking about THAT little friend...I was talking about my PlayBook. You'll have to get your cheap thrills from your Moppetts. |
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On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 05:45:26 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Saturday, 11 July 2015 08:31:54 UTC-3, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:35:13 -0400, Alex wrote: True North wrote: Yes Johnny, Dickson is the most overt racist in here...he has no problem shouting out the 'N' word when he feels like it. I'd like to introduced even him to some of the notorious Nova Scotia black natives who operate criminal organizations in Toronto, London and some other Southern Ontario areas. I imagine you'd have a position to fill on your Moppetts roster. I'd like to introduced? You can stop correcting people's typos any time now. He clarified that by saying: " "I'd like to introduce you to my little friend", Johnny. Told him I didn't want to meet his friend, slammer, or any others. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. Sorry if I got you all hot and lathered up, Johnny. I wasn't talking about THAT little friend...I was talking about my PlayBook. You'll have to get your cheap thrills from your Moppetts. I don't want to meet THAT friend of yours, or your playbook. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:34:14 -0400, John H.
wrote: Now you can brag some more about being a bad ass. === Harry's proctologist told him he was. That's his story and he's sticking to it. |
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On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:19:48 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:34:14 -0400, John H. wrote: Now you can brag some more about being a bad ass. === Harry's proctologist told him he was. That's his story and he's sticking to it. lol -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 8:45:27 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
.. You'll have to get your cheap thrills from your Moppetts. And you get your " cheap thrills " hiring Gay Strippers to Lap Dance for you. |
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