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Private gun transfers
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Private gun transfers
On 6/21/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:57:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. It's almost but not quite funny that your answer to virtually every serious challenge facing us is, "We really can't do anything about that." Well, that's a cop-out, bull**** answer. It is also accurate. There are an estimated 300,000,000 - 400,000,000 guns in this country and we are not sure who actually owns half of them. The best we can come up with in most cases are anonymous surveys with dubious accuracy. Every single firearm should have to be registered with an appropriate government agency, and every time one is sold or otherwise transferred, the name and address of its new owner should be recorded. That should be the first step. In this case the only thing that would have changed on that form was the first name of the owner. It was the same family at the same address. But a different person responsible for it. |
Private gun transfers
On 6/22/2015 12:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. They are stupid if they don't file the forms. If the firearm ever ends up in the wrong hands and a crime is committed with it the chain of custody would point back to the person who didn't file the paperwork when he transferred or sold it. It's not a big problem or issue. Takes about 5 minutes on line and the firearm is officially registered to the new owner. ... and those people wouldn't be dead anymore because that form was filled out? How many saved lives would make it worth it for you? One hundred? A thousand? How about one? |
Private gun transfers
On 6/22/2015 12:44 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:52:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 11:34 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:57:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. It's almost but not quite funny that your answer to virtually every serious challenge facing us is, "We really can't do anything about that." Well, that's a cop-out, bull**** answer. It is also accurate. There are an estimated 300,000,000 - 400,000,000 guns in this country and we are not sure who actually owns half of them. The best we can come up with in most cases are anonymous surveys with dubious accuracy. Every single firearm should have to be registered with an appropriate government agency, and every time one is sold or otherwise transferred, the name and address of its new owner should be recorded. That should be the first step. In this case the only thing that would have changed on that form was the first name of the owner. It was the same family at the same address. But a different person responsible for it. A distinction without a difference if it was in the same house the whole time. The only person "responsible" is the person holding it at any given time. My guess is there were a number of firearms in that house. The responsibility for owning a firearm isn't limited to when you are holding it. You are also responsible for who has access to it. |
Private gun transfers
On 6/22/2015 4:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/22/2015 12:40 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. They are stupid if they don't file the forms. If the firearm ever ends up in the wrong hands and a crime is committed with it the chain of custody would point back to the person who didn't file the paperwork when he transferred or sold it. It's not a big problem or issue. Takes about 5 minutes on line and the firearm is officially registered to the new owner. ... and those people wouldn't be dead anymore because that form was filled out? How many saved lives would make it worth it for you? One hundred? A thousand? How about one? For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen knives, axes; remember Lizzy? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 6/22/2015 4:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/22/2015 12:44 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:52:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 11:34 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:57:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. It's almost but not quite funny that your answer to virtually every serious challenge facing us is, "We really can't do anything about that." Well, that's a cop-out, bull**** answer. It is also accurate. There are an estimated 300,000,000 - 400,000,000 guns in this country and we are not sure who actually owns half of them. The best we can come up with in most cases are anonymous surveys with dubious accuracy. Every single firearm should have to be registered with an appropriate government agency, and every time one is sold or otherwise transferred, the name and address of its new owner should be recorded. That should be the first step. In this case the only thing that would have changed on that form was the first name of the owner. It was the same family at the same address. But a different person responsible for it. A distinction without a difference if it was in the same house the whole time. The only person "responsible" is the person holding it at any given time. My guess is there were a number of firearms in that house. The responsibility for owning a firearm isn't limited to when you are holding it. You are also responsible for who has access to it. Harry gave access to a weapon he owned, to a complete stranger. He allegedly sold it to that person in a parking lot, for cash. I hope he has solid verifiable proof that he made a legal transfer of the deadly weapon. Otherwise his good name will forever be tied to that weapon, no matter how many times it's custody subsequently changes. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 6/22/15 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:12:07 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 1:35 PM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 11:37:15 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 11:34 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:57:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. It's almost but not quite funny that your answer to virtually every serious challenge facing us is, "We really can't do anything about that." Well, that's a cop-out, bull**** answer. It is also accurate. There are an estimated 300,000,000 - 400,000,000 guns in this country and we are not sure who actually owns half of them. The best we can come up with in most cases are anonymous surveys with dubious accuracy. Every single firearm should have to be registered with an appropriate government agency, and every time one is sold or otherwise transferred, the name and address of its new owner should be recorded. That should be the first step. In this case the only thing that would have changed on that form was the first name of the owner. It was the same family at the same address. Right, because we can't do anything about anything. Your answer to virtually every significant issue. Insane libertarianism. Your assertion that every issue has a government solution is just as silly. Laws don't change culture and, as BAO points out, we have a very strong gun culture ... but you are part of it so I don't need to explain that to you. Most of the guns used in these high profile shootings were legally purchased and the buyer did fill out a BATF form. It is the murders that the press is not interested in covering that involve the illegal guns and since those people are involved in plenty of other illegal activity, no there is not much another law would solve. I don't recall stating that every issue has a government solution. Yet you do all the time. I have a hard time thinking about anything you do not want the government in charge of. No, I don't "do all the time." You're just opposed to anyone doing anything to try to resolve the issues that face our society. |
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On 6/22/2015 5:33 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 6/22/2015 4:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/22/2015 12:40 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. They are stupid if they don't file the forms. If the firearm ever ends up in the wrong hands and a crime is committed with it the chain of custody would point back to the person who didn't file the paperwork when he transferred or sold it. It's not a big problem or issue. Takes about 5 minutes on line and the firearm is officially registered to the new owner. ... and those people wouldn't be dead anymore because that form was filled out? How many saved lives would make it worth it for you? One hundred? A thousand? How about one? For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen knives, axes; remember Lizzy? Because baseball bats and kitchen knives are not sought after items by nutcases to go kill a bunch of people. Guns are. |
Private gun transfers
On 6/22/2015 6:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
How many saved lives would make it worth it for you? One hundred? A thousand? How about one? For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen knives, axes; remember Lizzy? Because baseball bats and kitchen knives are not sought after items by nutcases to go kill a bunch of people. Guns are. How about one, not a bunch? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:48:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 6/22/2015 5:33 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 6/22/2015 4:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/22/2015 12:40 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. They are stupid if they don't file the forms. If the firearm ever ends up in the wrong hands and a crime is committed with it the chain of custody would point back to the person who didn't file the paperwork when he transferred or sold it. It's not a big problem or issue. Takes about 5 minutes on line and the firearm is officially registered to the new owner. ... and those people wouldn't be dead anymore because that form was filled out? How many saved lives would make it worth it for you? One hundred? A thousand? How about one? For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen knives, axes; remember Lizzy? Because baseball bats and kitchen knives are not sought after items by nutcases to go kill a bunch of people. Guns are. === A nut case set on wreaking havoc can always find a way. |
Private gun transfers
On 6/22/15 6:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/22/2015 5:33 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 6/22/2015 4:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/22/2015 12:40 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. They are stupid if they don't file the forms. If the firearm ever ends up in the wrong hands and a crime is committed with it the chain of custody would point back to the person who didn't file the paperwork when he transferred or sold it. It's not a big problem or issue. Takes about 5 minutes on line and the firearm is officially registered to the new owner. ... and those people wouldn't be dead anymore because that form was filled out? How many saved lives would make it worth it for you? One hundred? A thousand? How about one? For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen knives, axes; remember Lizzy? Because baseball bats and kitchen knives are not sought after items by nutcases to go kill a bunch of people. Guns are. Not to worry: after the next gun massacre, we can all pray to jesus for solace instead of doing something about our easy access to firearms and our racism. Works for some. |
Private gun transfers
On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 5:06:07 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/22/15 6:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/22/2015 5:33 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 6/22/2015 4:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/22/2015 12:40 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. They are stupid if they don't file the forms. If the firearm ever ends up in the wrong hands and a crime is committed with it the chain of custody would point back to the person who didn't file the paperwork when he transferred or sold it. It's not a big problem or issue. Takes about 5 minutes on line and the firearm is officially registered to the new owner. ... and those people wouldn't be dead anymore because that form was filled out? How many saved lives would make it worth it for you? One hundred? A thousand? How about one? For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen knives, axes; remember Lizzy? Because baseball bats and kitchen knives are not sought after items by nutcases to go kill a bunch of people. Guns are. Not to worry: after the next gun massacre, we can all pray to jesus for solace instead of doing something about our easy access to firearms and our racism. Works for some. Works for millions. BTW you have had easy access to firearms. If became 'illegal' would you surrender them? |
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On 6/22/15 8:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 5:06:07 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/22/15 6:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/22/2015 5:33 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 6/22/2015 4:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/22/2015 12:40 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. They are stupid if they don't file the forms. If the firearm ever ends up in the wrong hands and a crime is committed with it the chain of custody would point back to the person who didn't file the paperwork when he transferred or sold it. It's not a big problem or issue. Takes about 5 minutes on line and the firearm is officially registered to the new owner. ... and those people wouldn't be dead anymore because that form was filled out? How many saved lives would make it worth it for you? One hundred? A thousand? How about one? For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen knives, axes; remember Lizzy? Because baseball bats and kitchen knives are not sought after items by nutcases to go kill a bunch of people. Guns are. Not to worry: after the next gun massacre, we can all pray to jesus for solace instead of doing something about our easy access to firearms and our racism. Works for some. Works for millions. BTW you have had easy access to firearms. If became 'illegal' would you surrender them? Of course. I don't *need* firearms...they're just a hobby, like playing golf, flying model airplanes, RV'ing, or pretending there's a god. |
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On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 11:59:43 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:48:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/22/2015 5:33 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen knives, axes; remember Lizzy? Because baseball bats and kitchen knives are not sought after items by nutcases to go kill a bunch of people. Guns are. You have lowered the bar to "a single life". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School...010%E2%80%9312) Knives and cleavers were the weapons of choice. Cain killed Able with a rock. |
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On 6/22/2015 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 04:12:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/22/2015 12:44 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:52:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 11:34 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:57:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. It's almost but not quite funny that your answer to virtually every serious challenge facing us is, "We really can't do anything about that." Well, that's a cop-out, bull**** answer. It is also accurate. There are an estimated 300,000,000 - 400,000,000 guns in this country and we are not sure who actually owns half of them. The best we can come up with in most cases are anonymous surveys with dubious accuracy. Every single firearm should have to be registered with an appropriate government agency, and every time one is sold or otherwise transferred, the name and address of its new owner should be recorded. That should be the first step. In this case the only thing that would have changed on that form was the first name of the owner. It was the same family at the same address. But a different person responsible for it. A distinction without a difference if it was in the same house the whole time. The only person "responsible" is the person holding it at any given time. My guess is there were a number of firearms in that house. The responsibility for owning a firearm isn't limited to when you are holding it. You are also responsible for who has access to it. It is clear that the father had no problem with the son having access to a firearm. Did the father know his son had a felony charge? If so he is subject to 10 years for knowingly transferring a firearm to a felon. |
Private gun transfers
On 6/22/15 4:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/22/2015 11:54 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 04:12:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/22/2015 12:44 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:52:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 11:34 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:57:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 10:48 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not racists. Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they "transfer" a firearm within the household? This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family member outside the home. It's almost but not quite funny that your answer to virtually every serious challenge facing us is, "We really can't do anything about that." Well, that's a cop-out, bull**** answer. It is also accurate. There are an estimated 300,000,000 - 400,000,000 guns in this country and we are not sure who actually owns half of them. The best we can come up with in most cases are anonymous surveys with dubious accuracy. Every single firearm should have to be registered with an appropriate government agency, and every time one is sold or otherwise transferred, the name and address of its new owner should be recorded. That should be the first step. In this case the only thing that would have changed on that form was the first name of the owner. It was the same family at the same address. But a different person responsible for it. A distinction without a difference if it was in the same house the whole time. The only person "responsible" is the person holding it at any given time. My guess is there were a number of firearms in that house. The responsibility for owning a firearm isn't limited to when you are holding it. You are also responsible for who has access to it. It is clear that the father had no problem with the son having access to a firearm. Did the father know his son had a felony charge? If so he is subject to 10 years for knowingly transferring a firearm to a felon. It is clear Fretwell wants no restrictions on gun possession. |
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On 6/22/15 4:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:18:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/22/2015 11:54 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 04:12:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The responsibility for owning a firearm isn't limited to when you are holding it. You are also responsible for who has access to it. It is clear that the father had no problem with the son having access to a firearm. Did the father know his son had a felony charge? If so he is subject to 10 years for knowingly transferring a firearm to a felon. The kid is not a felon. He is still innocent until proven guilty. It is even unclear that he was actually indicted yet and it was a simple possession charge for a small number of schedule 2 pills. These typically get dealt out as a misdemeanor or even shuttled off to "drug court". If I was going to charge the father, it would be depraved indifference (2d degree) murder. So, you think it was *ok* for daddy to supply sonny boy with a GLOCK, eh? |
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:22:28 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 6/21/15 10:48 AM, wrote: It's almost but not quite funny that your answer to virtually every serious challenge facing us is, "We really can't do anything about that." Well, that's a cop-out, bull**** answer. Every single firearm should have to be registered with an appropriate government agency, and every time one is sold or otherwise transferred, the name and address of its new owner should be recorded. That should be the first step. Sure, that's all true. But the real solution to gun deaths is dissolving the "romance of the gun." It's a simple killing instrument, and repellent to lovers of life. You've fallen in love with it, as have other here. And you're obviously part of the "gun culture." Who? Krause? If what you say is true, he'd be a hypocrite. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 18:11:20 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 17:05:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/22/15 4:52 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:18:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/22/2015 11:54 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 04:12:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The responsibility for owning a firearm isn't limited to when you are holding it. You are also responsible for who has access to it. It is clear that the father had no problem with the son having access to a firearm. Did the father know his son had a felony charge? If so he is subject to 10 years for knowingly transferring a firearm to a felon. The kid is not a felon. He is still innocent until proven guilty. It is even unclear that he was actually indicted yet and it was a simple possession charge for a small number of schedule 2 pills. These typically get dealt out as a misdemeanor or even shuttled off to "drug court". If I was going to charge the father, it would be depraved indifference (2d degree) murder. So, you think it was *ok* for daddy to supply sonny boy with a GLOCK, eh? BTW it would be OK for Root to buy this gun in Maryland. Article 5-118 only prevents sales on "Conviction" of the listed felonies. Misdemeanor trespassing is not on the list.. ~crickets~ -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:39:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. It's a shame your memories are so bad. We actually had a great time, even though the days were on the warm side. That's why God invented swimming pools and rivers to play in. Sounds like you and yours weren't able to enjoy your trip at all. Damn shame. We spent almost a week at Smith Mountain Lake, then a bit over a week on a trip to Shipsewana, IN, with a stopover in Michigan, and the past week in Solomons. We'll spend almost another week there over the 4th of July. Just sitting and watching the Patuxent flow by is enjoyable. Sorry about all your bad experiences. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:54:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/21/2015 9:00 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 6/21/2015 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. Ahhhh. Camping in New England at it's finest. Well, the fifth wheel wasn't exactly a land yacht. :-) A 36-37 foot fifth wheel 'should' have been a land yacht. Ours has all we need, and I'm sure it wasn't the same scale as yours would have been. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though, with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted piloting a skateboard. On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Funny. My wife and I spent four years camping all over Europe with only the tent, bags, thermarests, cooking gear, etc that would fit on two motorcycles. Never had the bad experiences you've had in Virginia and New Hampshire. Maybe you should have had Harry along. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 12:09:16 -0500, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Sorry to hear you don't travel well together. My wife and I do that quite well but we do live a little farther out of the dirt. ;-) "Camping" for us is a regular hotel room, not a suite. We prefer renting a house. My wife actually likes traveling with me, and even enjoys the camper. But is a truck camper, so minimalist, but good bed. Let's us take the boat to some remote lakes near Yosemite. Also when towing long distance, we are getting ready to tow 1200 miles to Vancouver Island for a couple weeks of boating. But I also treat her to B&Bs and lodge rooms. May boat into Westview in Tahsis, BC for a couple nights. Also a few days on Salt Spring Island. But the west is more comfortable camping than Eastern Summers. Hope you have a great trip! -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:05:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/21/2015 6:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:47:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/20/2015 7:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/20/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. I oppose private transfers. When I sold my Ruger GP100 revolver, it was to a sworn federal security officer, and we did the transfer at a state police barracks. It cost $10, I think. The only legal way to transfer a handgun like that was via an FFL or the state police. No biggie for either me or the buyer. The usual background check and one week waiting period applied. When I sold my Winchester 92 rifle, I called the state police and was told that private sales of "unregulated" firearms (ordinary rifles and shotguns, for example) between individuals required no third party or paperwork, beyond a bill of sale. I thought that strange, but it is the law here in Maryland. There really was no procedure that would involve a background check. So, we met in a parking lot over by the Pax River and did the "rifle for cash money" swap. That shouldn't be how it is done, but that is how it is done, here in Maryland. When I bought my silencer, I had to fill out a bunch of forms, buy a $200 federal tax stamp, and wait 92 days for federal approval. I saw a news story yesterday that claimed that Dylann's father gave him the money to buy the .45 semi-auto. That's the third different story I've seen on how the gun came into the little twerp's possession. I've heard the same different stories. The Wash Post article sorta makes sense through because he shouldn't have been able to purchase it through a FFL and successfully clear a background check. Maybe he bought it privately. Here in MA, inner state transfers/sales are permitted however a form is required to be submitted with both the seller's permit number and the buyer's permit number, along with the firearm serial number, make, model, etc. It can be done on-line. The rational is that both the seller and the buyer had to have background checks done in order to get the permits. The law states that it is the responsibility of the seller (or transferer) to verify that the buyer's (or transferee's) permit is current. MA permits have both picture ID's and fingerprints. You reckon that would have stopped Roof? I suppose so, since he was such a law-abiding citizen. I have no problem with any laws that may make it more difficult for sickos' to acquire firearms, especially if they don't cause responsible, law abiding folks from purchasing, inheriting or owning them. I really don't see what the big deal about objections to a universal background check law is. If it's a 2nd Amendment or "slippery slope" argument it doesn't make sense unless you are against felons from being prohibited from gun ownership also. Seems like we've had this discussion before. You have your opinion, and I have mine. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:55:41 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 6/21/2015 8:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Herring has purchased firearms as "gifts" for members of his family without bothering with background checks because the law doesn't require them in his state or in most states. Stupid. Is this as stupid as you selling a gun in the parking lot, for cash, to a complete stranger, without doing a background check, because your state doesn't require it. Your assignment for today, Mr. Krause, is to write "I am stupid and hypocritical" on the blackboard 500 times. No. I know how many felonies my SIL's and grandkids have been charged with. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 6/27/15 9:59 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though, with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted piloting a skateboard. On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Funny. My wife and I spent four years camping all over Europe with only the tent, bags, thermarests, cooking gear, etc that would fit on two motorcycles. Never had the bad experiences you've had in Virginia and New Hampshire. Maybe you should have had Harry along. Maybe you should accept that not everyone enjoys your hobbies. |
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On 6/27/2015 9:59 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though, with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted piloting a skateboard. On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Funny. My wife and I spent four years camping all over Europe with only the tent, bags, thermarests, cooking gear, etc that would fit on two motorcycles. Never had the bad experiences you've had in Virginia and New Hampshire. Maybe you should have had Harry along. That's not funny. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 6/27/2015 9:52 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:39:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. It's a shame your memories are so bad. We actually had a great time, even though the days were on the warm side. That's why God invented swimming pools and rivers to play in. Sounds like you and yours weren't able to enjoy your trip at all. Damn shame. We spent almost a week at Smith Mountain Lake, then a bit over a week on a trip to Shipsewana, IN, with a stopover in Michigan, and the past week in Solomons. We'll spend almost another week there over the 4th of July. Just sitting and watching the Patuxent flow by is enjoyable. Sorry about all your bad experiences. Different strokes for different folks. He was lucky enough to be able to give camping a try in all sorts of different camping vehicles. None of them seemed to float his boat. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Private gun transfers
On Saturday, 27 June 2015 10:54:48 UTC-3, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:54:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:00 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 6/21/2015 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there.. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. Ahhhh. Camping in New England at it's finest. Well, the fifth wheel wasn't exactly a land yacht. :-) A 36-37 foot fifth wheel 'should' have been a land yacht. Ours has all we need, and I'm sure it wasn't the same scale as yours would have been. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. Well Johnny...that comment sounded exactly like something Little Snottie from Connecticut would say. Is that what you want to present to the world? |
Private gun transfers
On 6/27/15 11:30 AM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2015 10:54:48 UTC-3, John H. wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:54:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:00 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 6/21/2015 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. Ahhhh. Camping in New England at it's finest. Well, the fifth wheel wasn't exactly a land yacht. :-) A 36-37 foot fifth wheel 'should' have been a land yacht. Ours has all we need, and I'm sure it wasn't the same scale as yours would have been. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. Well Johnny...that comment sounded exactly like something Little Snottie from Connecticut would say. Is that what you want to present to the world? They're emotionally related... |
Private gun transfers
On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:49:31 -0400, Justan Olphat wrote:
On 6/27/2015 9:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:39:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. It's a shame your memories are so bad. We actually had a great time, even though the days were on the warm side. That's why God invented swimming pools and rivers to play in. Sounds like you and yours weren't able to enjoy your trip at all. Damn shame. We spent almost a week at Smith Mountain Lake, then a bit over a week on a trip to Shipsewana, IN, with a stopover in Michigan, and the past week in Solomons. We'll spend almost another week there over the 4th of July. Just sitting and watching the Patuxent flow by is enjoyable. Sorry about all your bad experiences. Different strokes for different folks. He was lucky enough to be able to give camping a try in all sorts of different camping vehicles. None of them seemed to float his boat. True. Sounds like he's tried them all. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
Private gun transfers
On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 08:30:26 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2015 10:54:48 UTC-3, John H. wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:54:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:00 AM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 6/21/2015 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. Ahhhh. Camping in New England at it's finest. Well, the fifth wheel wasn't exactly a land yacht. :-) A 36-37 foot fifth wheel 'should' have been a land yacht. Ours has all we need, and I'm sure it wasn't the same scale as yours would have been. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. Well Johnny...that comment sounded exactly like something Little Snottie from Connecticut would say. Is that what you want to present to the world? Have you ever looked at the features found in a 36-37' fifth wheel, Don? Your comment makes absolutely no sense. But, that's understandable. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 6/27/15 1:10 PM, John H. wrote:
Have you ever looked at the features found in a 36-37' fifth wheel, Don? I have. Yawn. You still have to tow that big box down the Interstate or worse to get to where you want to go. And then you usually have to park at an RV facility, where your neighbors might have too many snotty little kids or might be loud drunks. |
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On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:22:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/27/15 1:10 PM, John H. wrote: Have you ever looked at the features found in a 36-37' fifth wheel, Don? I have. Yawn. You still have to tow that big box down the Interstate or worse to get to where you want to go. And then you usually have to park at an RV facility, where your neighbors might have too many snotty little kids or might be loud drunks. Your display of ignorance is impressive. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
Private gun transfers
On 6/27/2015 9:59 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though, with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted piloting a skateboard. On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Funny. My wife and I spent four years camping all over Europe with only the tent, bags, thermarests, cooking gear, etc that would fit on two motorcycles. Never had the bad experiences you've had in Virginia and New Hampshire. Maybe you should have had Harry along. Why so defensive Herring? You like camping. I don't. No big deal. |
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On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:50:23 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/27/2015 9:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though, with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted piloting a skateboard. On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Funny. My wife and I spent four years camping all over Europe with only the tent, bags, thermarests, cooking gear, etc that would fit on two motorcycles. Never had the bad experiences you've had in Virginia and New Hampshire. Maybe you should have had Harry along. Why so defensive Herring? You like camping. I don't. No big deal. Defensive? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
Private gun transfers
On Saturday, 27 June 2015 17:56:43 UTC-3, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:50:23 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/27/2015 9:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the ..45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though, with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted piloting a skateboard. On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Funny. My wife and I spent four years camping all over Europe with only the tent, bags, thermarests, cooking gear, etc that would fit on two motorcycles.. Never had the bad experiences you've had in Virginia and New Hampshire.. Maybe you should have had Harry along. Why so defensive Herring? You like camping. I don't. No big deal. Defensive? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. I'd say your behaviour if more...offensive! Designed to agitate, irritate and instigate. |
Private gun transfers
On 6/27/15 8:46 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2015 17:56:43 UTC-3, John H. wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:50:23 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/27/2015 9:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though, with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted piloting a skateboard. On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Funny. My wife and I spent four years camping all over Europe with only the tent, bags, thermarests, cooking gear, etc that would fit on two motorcycles. Never had the bad experiences you've had in Virginia and New Hampshire. Maybe you should have had Harry along. Why so defensive Herring? You like camping. I don't. No big deal. Defensive? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. I'd say your behaviour if more...offensive! Designed to agitate, irritate and instigate. He's just RV Trailertrash. |
Private gun transfers
On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 20:52:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 6/27/15 8:46 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 27 June 2015 17:56:43 UTC-3, John H. wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:50:23 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/27/2015 9:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:03:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45 Glock by his father back in April. By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come up disallowing Roof from purchasing it. But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other states) does not require a background check for personal transfers. Seems we've had this debate before. You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the druggie son? We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week. Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is 85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running 24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff you don't know how to use. Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience. We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there. We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it took to drive in a car. Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to join them in their camping adventures. So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his. Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most horrible weeks I've ever spent. Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale. I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though, with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted piloting a skateboard. On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on an open fire. Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights. Funny. My wife and I spent four years camping all over Europe with only the tent, bags, thermarests, cooking gear, etc that would fit on two motorcycles. Never had the bad experiences you've had in Virginia and New Hampshire. Maybe you should have had Harry along. Why so defensive Herring? You like camping. I don't. No big deal. Defensive? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. I'd say your behaviour if more...offensive! Designed to agitate, irritate and instigate. He's just RV Trailertrash. === And *you* are a deadbeat putz. |
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