90s Honda 15hp no power
 

On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:34:34 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 5/26/2015 7:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 7:42 AM, True North wrote:
Califbill
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True North wrote:
Lord help us all!
I'm starting to think Scott Secord Dickson is the smartest of y'all
mangy Moppits.
I clearly stated that the gas in the red cans gets used in the fall and
the boat's internal fuel tank is filled and treated for winter storage.
This gas is used late spring and then the water filter is changed.

"And you complain of rough running."



Who's complaining about rough running? My Mercury 60 Big Foot is
smooth as a baby's butt.
You drinking again, Swill?


Apparently. He also thinks you should "raise the gas can in your boat"
(the one that's built into it) so you can siphon it out with the plug in
hose from the six gallon tank you don't have, or some such nonsense.

Ahhh. When the talk turns technical, you really shine. Way to go Harriot.

I think Don has confused both himself and his bff.
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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:36:25 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 5/26/2015 11:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 11:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2015 20:12:37 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/25/15 7:34 PM, True North wrote:
Lord help us all!
I'm starting to think Scott Secord Dickson is the smartest of y'all
mangy Moppits.
I clearly stated that the gas in the red cans gets used in the fall
and the boat's internal fuel tank is filled and treated for winter
storage. This gas is used late spring and then the water filter is
changed.



You can't oversimplify for this crowd of brainwashed righties.

I have a little Honda rototiller and until this past weekend, hadn't
used it for two seasons. In fact, I had forgotten about it. It still had
some gas in the tank, and it started right up. Guess I was lucky.

I run my lawnmower dry for the winter, and put marine sta-bil in the
garden tractor's tank. I do start up the tractor every few weeks in the
winter, though.

Don't break your arm.


That's funny coming from a guy who has had multiple surgeries, who can't
hear without hearing aids, who needs eye surgery, and whose back has
been operated on how many times? And how are your arthritic knees?

Snerk. Bite into an ear of corn lately, Krausie baby?

LOL! I'd love to see Krause try to keep up on a six mile golf course. That would be
entertaining as hell.
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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

On 5/26/15 12:27 PM, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
Califbill
- hide quoted text -
True North wrote:
Lord help us all!
I'm starting to think Scott Secord Dickson is the smartest of y'all mangy Moppits.
I clearly stated that the gas in the red cans gets used in the fall and
the boat's internal fuel tank is filled and treated for winter storage.
This gas is used late spring and then the water filter is changed.

"And you complain of rough running."



Who's complaining about rough running? My Mercury 60 Big Foot is smooth as a baby's butt.
You drinking again, Swill?

Seems as if you do not remember you said it smokes a lot in the spring.
Would signify crappy running.


Or oil being burned off in the cylinders, a leftover from winterizing.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

True North wrote:
Johnny.....I operate on a 5 month use and 7 month storage schedule.
Manual says to treat gas and run for a bit and then fog cylinders.....which is exactly what the dealer does at the end of the season. And yes, this is a 4 stroke motor and no one confuses 2 stroke oil with 4 stroke.
In the spring I burn off the previous years treated gas and then change my water filter. Motor starts up right away and might smoke for a couple of minutes...but works well after warming up.


You have to consider how old the gas is that you are treating. The
clock starts ticking the minute you fill your tank. Fuel stabilizers
only stabilize, they can't help old gas.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2015 12:26:46 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Stinky farts..

"What does his owners manual say about using the same 6 gallon tankfull
of gas over multiple seasons."


Why would I do that, Stinky? I make sure I burn off anything I have in the gas cans as we move through October.
Earlier you said 'in the spring'.

Sounds like you're doing just what Username prescribed. Good for you.

See, you learned something.

Now stop your name calling. You're sounding like Krause or slammer.


No kidding. He's like a child.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2015 18:58:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2015 6:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
Johnny.....I operate on a 5 month use and 7 month storage schedule.
Manual says to treat gas and run for a bit and then fog
cylinders.....which is exactly what the dealer does at the end of the
season. And yes, this is a 4 stroke motor and no one confuses 2 stroke oil with 4 stroke.
In the spring I burn off the previous years treated gas and then change
my water filter. Motor starts up right away and might smoke for a
couple of minutes...but works well after warming up.
Why would you keep gas over the winter? When you cover the boat for
winter, pour the gas in the RAV4 from all the gas cans. Start new in the
spring. I have had problems with my boat and old gas after an extended
layup. But my tank is harder to empty. 70 gallons.

Some of us don't live in nice warm climates. I keep at least 5 gallons
of gas handy for the snowblower and the little generator in the winter.
It's stored outside and I add the recommended amount of Stabil to it.

Last winter I had a 5 gallon jug and a 1 gallon jug sitting outside both
of which were promptly buried under 5 feet of snow. Fortunately,
we never lost power all winter and the snow was too deep to use the snow
blower on. I just emptied both in my truck a couple of weeks ago.
Truck happily burned it with no hiccups.

I also had about half a gallon of gas mixed with 2 stroke oil that I use
for my chainsaw. It sat for over a year with Stabil in it. I've been
doing some serious tree trimming in the past couple of weeks and the
chain saw runs just fine on the old gas. Again, stored outside, buried
in snow during the winter and over a year old.


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For some reason 2 strokes have always seemed more tolerant of older
fuel. Possibly the carbs have bigger passages or some such.



Quality 2-stoke oil has stabilizer in it already. The carb is the usual
victim in either scenario - two or four stroke. Gummed up gas will make
it run like crap - or not at all. If you ever had to keep the choke on
to run a small gass engine you had a fouled carb.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

On 5/27/2015 7:05 PM, Username wrote:
True North wrote:
Johnny.....I operate on a 5 month use and 7 month storage schedule.
Manual says to treat gas and run for a bit and then fog
cylinders.....which is exactly what the dealer does at the end of the
season. And yes, this is a 4 stroke motor and no one confuses 2
stroke oil with 4 stroke.
In the spring I burn off the previous years treated gas and then
change my water filter. Motor starts up right away and might smoke
for a couple of minutes...but works well after warming up.


You have to consider how old the gas is that you are treating. The
clock starts ticking the minute you fill your tank. Fuel stabilizers
only stabilize, they can't help old gas.


How old is the gas by the time it's delivered to your local gas station?

Someone told me once that I should put an additive to the fuel in the
first diesel powered boat that I had (unless I was using it daily and
going through a lot of fuel quickly). Diesel fuel is a breeding ground
for "bugs" that can clog fuel filters if they get too bad. But I
mentioned it to the marina owner who sold diesel. He said the
recommended additive to prevent bug growth is put in the fuel by the
distributor, so don't waste my money on it.

Maybe gasoline is also stabilized at some point after refining but
before delivery to retailers.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

On Wed, 27 May 2015 19:37:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2015 7:05 PM, Username wrote:
True North wrote:
Johnny.....I operate on a 5 month use and 7 month storage schedule.
Manual says to treat gas and run for a bit and then fog
cylinders.....which is exactly what the dealer does at the end of the
season. And yes, this is a 4 stroke motor and no one confuses 2
stroke oil with 4 stroke.
In the spring I burn off the previous years treated gas and then
change my water filter. Motor starts up right away and might smoke
for a couple of minutes...but works well after warming up.


You have to consider how old the gas is that you are treating. The
clock starts ticking the minute you fill your tank. Fuel stabilizers
only stabilize, they can't help old gas.


How old is the gas by the time it's delivered to your local gas station?

Someone told me once that I should put an additive to the fuel in the
first diesel powered boat that I had (unless I was using it daily and
going through a lot of fuel quickly). Diesel fuel is a breeding ground
for "bugs" that can clog fuel filters if they get too bad. But I
mentioned it to the marina owner who sold diesel. He said the
recommended additive to prevent bug growth is put in the fuel by the
distributor, so don't waste my money on it.

Maybe gasoline is also stabilized at some point after refining but
before delivery to retailers.


===

Unlike gasoline, diesel fuel lasts a long time without breaking down.
It has another problem though related to bacteria growth in the
presence of water. The additives that you buy are really an
antibiotic of sorts. But if you can keep all moisture out of the
diesel, it will last just about forever with no additives at all.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

On 5/27/2015 8:34 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 19:37:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2015 7:05 PM, Username wrote:
True North wrote:
Johnny.....I operate on a 5 month use and 7 month storage schedule.
Manual says to treat gas and run for a bit and then fog
cylinders.....which is exactly what the dealer does at the end of the
season. And yes, this is a 4 stroke motor and no one confuses 2
stroke oil with 4 stroke.
In the spring I burn off the previous years treated gas and then
change my water filter. Motor starts up right away and might smoke
for a couple of minutes...but works well after warming up.


You have to consider how old the gas is that you are treating. The
clock starts ticking the minute you fill your tank. Fuel stabilizers
only stabilize, they can't help old gas.


How old is the gas by the time it's delivered to your local gas station?

Someone told me once that I should put an additive to the fuel in the
first diesel powered boat that I had (unless I was using it daily and
going through a lot of fuel quickly). Diesel fuel is a breeding ground
for "bugs" that can clog fuel filters if they get too bad. But I
mentioned it to the marina owner who sold diesel. He said the
recommended additive to prevent bug growth is put in the fuel by the
distributor, so don't waste my money on it.

Maybe gasoline is also stabilized at some point after refining but
before delivery to retailers.


===

Unlike gasoline, diesel fuel lasts a long time without breaking down.
It has another problem though related to bacteria growth in the
presence of water. The additives that you buy are really an
antibiotic of sorts. But if you can keep all moisture out of the
diesel, it will last just about forever with no additives at all.



The only time I had any concern about diesel fuel was when I was
preparing to bring the Navigator back up to MA from Florida. The boat
had sat in it's slip in Jupiter, FL for over 2 years, pretty much unused
and the fuel tanks were full but the fuel was old. I hired a guy to
polish the fuel, just to be safe. You're right though. An inspection
of the filters he used after polishing almost 500 gallons of fuel showed
very few contaminants. The Racors on the boat would have easily taken
care of them.

I also had redundant main Racor filters with valving on that boat ... as
I also had on the Egg Harbor. Never needed to switch over while
underway but it was peace of mind.

90s Honda 15hp no power
 

Wayne and Richard, you're both correct. Richard I'm glad you had the diesel polished, for peace of mind. That didn't hurt a thing.
Wayne, you're also correct that quality diesel fuel will last for years.
Where the problem lies is when operators will use 'bio-diesel' the mucky algae loves that stuff! In a few months the junk starts growing and it clogs filters and can foul the tank and fiel lines.

Engines run great on bio-fuel but it can't sit long. You find it mostly sold at truck stops. marina's use the good stuff for that reason...