Oh boy....
 

Received a foot or so of snow Sunday and it's snowing now with another 10 inches or so and maybe more on Saturday.
Sidewalks are in desperate shape and most secondary streets narrowed to one lane.
Now one clown city councilor is on tv suggesting we should all get out and not only shovel our sidewalks, but also help neighbours do same. This is one of the jackass councilors who voted last year to add an extra charge on our city taxes and have a private company do all the sidewalk cleaning. We, the taxpayers, had no say in the change. I know where I'd like to place my shovel.

Oh boy....
 

On 3/17/2015 10:17 PM, True North wrote:
Received a foot or so of snow Sunday and it's snowing now with another 10 inches or so and maybe more on Saturday.
Sidewalks are in desperate shape and most secondary streets narrowed to one lane.
Now one clown city councilor is on tv suggesting we should all get out and not only shovel our sidewalks, but also help neighbours do same. This is one of the jackass councilors who voted last year to add an extra charge on our city taxes and have a private company do all the sidewalk cleaning. We, the taxpayers, had no say in the change. I know where I'd like to place my shovel.


So you were blessed with a foot of snow. My heart bleeds for you. Love
thy neighbor,Jackass.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Oh boy....
 

On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:17:57 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Received a foot or so of snow Sunday and it's snowing now with another 10 inches or so and maybe more on Saturday.
Sidewalks are in desperate shape and most secondary streets narrowed to one lane.
Now one clown city councilor is on tv suggesting we should all get out and not only shovel our sidewalks, but also help neighbours do same. This is one of the jackass councilors who voted last year to add an extra charge on our city taxes and have a private company do all the sidewalk cleaning. We, the taxpayers, had no say in the change. I know where I'd like to place my shovel.

The councilman is correct. Are there kids in your neighborhood who have to walk to
school or catch a bus? Should they be forced to walk in the streets? Are there
disabled who need to use a sidewalk? Should people be forced to walk there dogs on
one lane roads? Some thoughts from our county:

As a community, we need to come together and take our snow and shovel it!

Help keep sidewalks, bus stops and fire hydrants clear of snow.


The county and state do not clear snow from public sidewalks or trails.

Do your part to keep your neighborhood safe for emergency personnel, pedestrians and
cyclists.

Develop a plan with neighbors to help those who can't remove snow.

Makes good sense.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Oh boy....
 

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 00:38:01 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:30:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:17:57 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Received a foot or so of snow Sunday and it's snowing now with another 10 inches or so and maybe more on Saturday.
Sidewalks are in desperate shape and most secondary streets narrowed to one lane.
Now one clown city councilor is on tv suggesting we should all get out and not only shovel our sidewalks, but also help neighbours do same. This is one of the jackass councilors who voted last year to add an extra charge on our city taxes and have a private company do all the sidewalk cleaning. We, the taxpayers, had no say in the change. I know where I'd like to place my shovel.

The councilman is correct. Are there kids in your neighborhood who have to walk to
school or catch a bus? Should they be forced to walk in the streets? Are there
disabled who need to use a sidewalk? Should people be forced to walk there dogs on
one lane roads? Some thoughts from our county:

As a community, we need to come together and take our snow and shovel it!

Help keep sidewalks, bus stops and fire hydrants clear of snow.


The county and state do not clear snow from public sidewalks or trails.

Do your part to keep your neighborhood safe for emergency personnel, pedestrians and
cyclists.

Develop a plan with neighbors to help those who can't remove snow.

Makes good sense.


When I lived in places with sidewalks, DC and close in PG county there
was an ordinance that you had to shovel the sidewalk in front of your
house. I am not sure I ever saw anyone getting in trouble for not
doing it but it was the law. Most people either did it themselves, had
a kid do it or a neighbor pitched in and did it. These were small city
lots so it was not a lot of sidewalk to clear.
When I got farther in the country, there were no sidewalks and it was
a moot point.

I had thought there was a 24-hr law in Fairfax County. Turned out there isn't. It's
just courtesy and respect for the safety of others. Some homeowners' associations
mandate sidewalk snow removal. When we were in the townhouse we had 24 hours, or the
association's 'hired thugs with shovels' would do the job. Then the association would
bill the homeowner the $10.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Oh boy....
 

On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:30:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"When I lived in places with sidewalks, DC and close in PG county there
was an ordinance that you had to shovel the sidewalk in front of your
house. I am not sure I ever saw anyone getting in trouble for not
doing it but it was the law. Most people either did it themselves, had
a kid do it or a neighbor pitched in and did it. These were small city
lots so it was not a lot of sidewalk to clear.
When I got farther in the country, there were no sidewalks and it was
a moot point."

Exactly the way it was here for as long as I remember. Then last year, with out consulting the taxpayers, the city decided to extend sidewalk snow removal to the old original part of Halifax and charge us. The new service is dismal. The little Bobcats tore up a lot grass and damaged stone walls, etc..
They changed this year to little John Deere tractors with the articulating plows but were so slow getting around that the snow/freezing rain/flash freeze/snow proved to be impossible to overcome.
Anyway everyone's been resentful since the majority of us did a much better job ourselves. Still waiting for the sidewalk plows to show up here. I think they gave up and conceded defeat.
Funny, on a local history blog they showed and old truck being hand loaded by a gang of men with shovels.
That brings up another problem...the city used to dump the snow into the harbour but the federal gov't decided to outlaw that.
Crazy thing is the dept of defense and the port authority still do it but the city can't. Special permission was granted for a one time occasion after 'White Juan' back in February 2004.

Oh boy....
 

On 3/19/2015 12:38 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:30:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:17:57 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Received a foot or so of snow Sunday and it's snowing now with another 10 inches or so and maybe more on Saturday.
Sidewalks are in desperate shape and most secondary streets narrowed to one lane.
Now one clown city councilor is on tv suggesting we should all get out and not only shovel our sidewalks, but also help neighbours do same. This is one of the jackass councilors who voted last year to add an extra charge on our city taxes and have a private company do all the sidewalk cleaning. We, the taxpayers, had no say in the change. I know where I'd like to place my shovel.

The councilman is correct. Are there kids in your neighborhood who have to walk to
school or catch a bus? Should they be forced to walk in the streets? Are there
disabled who need to use a sidewalk? Should people be forced to walk there dogs on
one lane roads? Some thoughts from our county:

As a community, we need to come together and take our snow and shovel it!

Help keep sidewalks, bus stops and fire hydrants clear of snow.


The county and state do not clear snow from public sidewalks or trails.

Do your part to keep your neighborhood safe for emergency personnel, pedestrians and
cyclists.

Develop a plan with neighbors to help those who can't remove snow.

Makes good sense.


When I lived in places with sidewalks, DC and close in PG county there
was an ordinance that you had to shovel the sidewalk in front of your
house. I am not sure I ever saw anyone getting in trouble for not
doing it but it was the law. Most people either did it themselves, had
a kid do it or a neighbor pitched in and did it. These were small city
lots so it was not a lot of sidewalk to clear.
When I got farther in the country, there were no sidewalks and it was
a moot point.

Law or not, civilized people would do what they could to help their
neighborhood be safer. I really don't understand Don's anger about being
asked to pitch in. He's only got 40 feet of frontage. That's what, 5
minutes of labor to clear a foot of snow?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Oh boy....
 

On 3/19/2015 8:55 AM, True North wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:30:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"When I lived in places with sidewalks, DC and close in PG county there
was an ordinance that you had to shovel the sidewalk in front of your
house. I am not sure I ever saw anyone getting in trouble for not
doing it but it was the law. Most people either did it themselves, had
a kid do it or a neighbor pitched in and did it. These were small city
lots so it was not a lot of sidewalk to clear.
When I got farther in the country, there were no sidewalks and it was
a moot point."

Exactly the way it was here for as long as I remember. Then last year, with out consulting the taxpayers, the city decided to extend sidewalk snow removal to the old original part of Halifax and charge us. The new service is dismal. The little Bobcats tore up a lot grass and damaged stone walls, etc.
They changed this year to little John Deere tractors with the articulating plows but were so slow getting around that the snow/freezing rain/flash freeze/snow proved to be impossible to overcome.
Anyway everyone's been resentful since the majority of us did a much better job ourselves. Still waiting for the sidewalk plows to show up here. I think they gave up and conceded defeat.
Funny, on a local history blog they showed and old truck being hand loaded by a gang of men with shovels.
That brings up another problem...the city used to dump the snow into the harbour but the federal gov't decided to outlaw that.
Crazy thing is the dept of defense and the port authority still do it but the city can't. Special permission was granted for a one time occasion after 'White Juan' back in February 2004.


What's wrong with dumping snow into a cesspool?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Oh boy....
 

On 3/19/2015 10:32 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:25:50 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 3/19/2015 8:55 AM, True North wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:30:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"When I lived in places with sidewalks, DC and close in PG county there
was an ordinance that you had to shovel the sidewalk in front of your
house. I am not sure I ever saw anyone getting in trouble for not
doing it but it was the law. Most people either did it themselves, had
a kid do it or a neighbor pitched in and did it. These were small city
lots so it was not a lot of sidewalk to clear.
When I got farther in the country, there were no sidewalks and it was
a moot point."

Exactly the way it was here for as long as I remember. Then last year, with out consulting the taxpayers, the city decided to extend sidewalk snow removal to the old original part of Halifax and charge us. The new service is dismal. The little Bobcats tore up a lot grass and damaged stone walls, etc.
They changed this year to little John Deere tractors with the articulating plows but were so slow getting around that the snow/freezing rain/flash freeze/snow proved to be impossible to overcome.
Anyway everyone's been resentful since the majority of us did a much better job ourselves. Still waiting for the sidewalk plows to show up here. I think they gave up and conceded defeat.
Funny, on a local history blog they showed and old truck being hand loaded by a gang of men with shovels.
That brings up another problem...the city used to dump the snow into the harbour but the federal gov't decided to outlaw that.
Crazy thing is the dept of defense and the port authority still do it but the city can't. Special permission was granted for a one time occasion after 'White Juan' back in February 2004.


What's wrong with dumping snow into a cesspool?

I think that is just the government giving the illusion of doing
something. Street runoff ends up in the rivers anyway unless you have
some kind of storm drain system different than 99.99% of the country
and that is what they are worried about with the snow.
They just don't want to be as visible as dump trucks dumping the salt,
lead and trash laden snow in the water. Let it run down the storm
drain and "disappear" safely.
.
It is sort of like the Redd Foxx joke about ****ing in the pool.
"Everybody ****es in the pool" ... "But not from the diving board"



I disagree. If it were allowed it would happen on a regular basis after
every snowfall. The prohibition is designed to prevent the regular
contamination of rivers, harbors and coastal oceans with chemicals,
oils, etc. In emergency situations, like what occurred in this area
during February a temporary waiver of the prohibition can be obtained.

Normal drainage through storm drains is a slower process that doesn't
suddenly whack the ecosystem like regular dumping of hundreds of truck
loads of snow, salt, chemicals, oil and other contaminates would.

Oh boy....
 

10:23 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Law or not, civilized people would do what they could to help their
neighborhood be safer. I really don't understand Don's anger about being
asked to pitch in. He's only got 40 feet of frontage. That's what, 5
minutes of labor to clear a foot of snow?"


You and the JohnnyMop can relax, Sinky.
Neighbour on the corner came by with his snowblower and cleared my sidewalk and driveway.
Even came back this morning to clear what the snowplow pushed back in overnight.

Oh boy....
 

On 3/19/2015 10:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/19/2015 10:32 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:25:50 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 3/19/2015 8:55 AM, True North wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:30:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"When I lived in places with sidewalks, DC and close in PG county there
was an ordinance that you had to shovel the sidewalk in front of your
house. I am not sure I ever saw anyone getting in trouble for not
doing it but it was the law. Most people either did it themselves, had
a kid do it or a neighbor pitched in and did it. These were small city
lots so it was not a lot of sidewalk to clear.
When I got farther in the country, there were no sidewalks and it was
a moot point."

Exactly the way it was here for as long as I remember. Then last
year, with out consulting the taxpayers, the city decided to extend
sidewalk snow removal to the old original part of Halifax and charge
us. The new service is dismal. The little Bobcats tore up a lot
grass and damaged stone walls, etc.
They changed this year to little John Deere tractors with the
articulating plows but were so slow getting around that the
snow/freezing rain/flash freeze/snow proved to be impossible to
overcome.
Anyway everyone's been resentful since the majority of us did a much
better job ourselves. Still waiting for the sidewalk plows to show
up here. I think they gave up and conceded defeat.
Funny, on a local history blog they showed and old truck being hand
loaded by a gang of men with shovels.
That brings up another problem...the city used to dump the snow into
the harbour but the federal gov't decided to outlaw that.
Crazy thing is the dept of defense and the port authority still do
it but the city can't. Special permission was granted for a one time
occasion after 'White Juan' back in February 2004.


What's wrong with dumping snow into a cesspool?

I think that is just the government giving the illusion of doing
something. Street runoff ends up in the rivers anyway unless you have
some kind of storm drain system different than 99.99% of the country
and that is what they are worried about with the snow.
They just don't want to be as visible as dump trucks dumping the salt,
lead and trash laden snow in the water. Let it run down the storm
drain and "disappear" safely.
.
It is sort of like the Redd Foxx joke about ****ing in the pool.
"Everybody ****es in the pool" ... "But not from the diving board"



I disagree. If it were allowed it would happen on a regular basis after
every snowfall. The prohibition is designed to prevent the regular
contamination of rivers, harbors and coastal oceans with chemicals,
oils, etc. In emergency situations, like what occurred in this area
during February a temporary waiver of the prohibition can be obtained.

Normal drainage through storm drains is a slower process that doesn't
suddenly whack the ecosystem like regular dumping of hundreds of truck
loads of snow, salt, chemicals, oil and other contaminates would.

The body of water in question was the most disgustingly polluted in all
of Canada. What more harm could salt and traces of oil do?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Oh boy....
 

On 3/19/2015 12:30 PM, True North wrote:

10:23 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Law or not, civilized people would do what they could to help their
neighborhood be safer. I really don't understand Don's anger about being
asked to pitch in. He's only got 40 feet of frontage. That's what, 5
minutes of labor to clear a foot of snow?"


You and the JohnnyMop can relax, Sinky.
Neighbour on the corner came by with his snowblower and cleared my sidewalk and driveway.
Even came back this morning to clear what the snowplow pushed back in overnight.


Perhaps your good neighbour realized how needy you are and took care of
you. That's what I'm talking about.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Oh boy....
 

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:30:56 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


10:23 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Law or not, civilized people would do what they could to help their
neighborhood be safer. I really don't understand Don's anger about being
asked to pitch in. He's only got 40 feet of frontage. That's what, 5
minutes of labor to clear a foot of snow?"


You and the JohnnyMop can relax, Sinky.
Neighbour on the corner came by with his snowblower and cleared my sidewalk and driveway.
Even came back this morning to clear what the snowplow pushed back in overnight.

Thank God you have a neighbor who seems concerned. Is the concern spreading at all.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Oh boy....
 

True North wrote:
10:23 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Law or not, civilized people would do what they could to help their
neighborhood be safer. I really don't understand Don's anger about being
asked to pitch in. He's only got 40 feet of frontage. That's what, 5
minutes of labor to clear a foot of snow?"


You and the JohnnyMop can relax, Sinky.
Neighbour on the corner came by with his snowblower and cleared my sidewalk and driveway.
Even came back this morning to clear what the snowplow pushed back in overnight.

Hope you tipped him. Or at least thanked him.

Oh boy....
 

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:44:57 -0500, Califbill wrote:

True North wrote:
10:23 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Law or not, civilized people would do what they could to help their
neighborhood be safer. I really don't understand Don's anger about being
asked to pitch in. He's only got 40 feet of frontage. That's what, 5
minutes of labor to clear a foot of snow?"


You and the JohnnyMop can relax, Sinky.
Neighbour on the corner came by with his snowblower and cleared my sidewalk and driveway.
Even came back this morning to clear what the snowplow pushed back in overnight.

Hope you tipped him. Or at least thanked him.

Most likely he felt he was 'entitled' to the act of charity.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Oh boy....
 

JohnnyMop flushes..
"Most likely he felt he was 'entitled' to the act of charity."

The only thing I'm entitled to, Johnny Mop, is services I pay for.

Oh boy....
 

True North wrote:
JohnnyMop flushes..
"Most likely he felt he was 'entitled' to the act of charity."

The only thing I'm entitled to, Johnny Mop, is services I pay for.

Colonel Klink is the one with entitlements.
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Oh boy....
 

True North wrote:
JohnnyMop flushes..
"Most likely he felt he was 'entitled' to the act of charity."

The only thing I'm entitled to, Johnny Mop, is services I pay for.

You are entitled to help others. Part of being a society. Otherwise, move
to the remote boonies.

Oh boy....
 

On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 6:00:37 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
JohnnyMop flushes..
"Most likely he felt he was 'entitled' to the act of charity."

The only thing I'm entitled to, Johnny Mop, is services I pay for.

You are entitled to help others. Part of being a society. Otherwise, move
to the remote boonies.

You ought to know dicklicker is a useless, self-centered asshole.....just like his master, krause.

Oh boy....
 

True North wrote:
10:23 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Law or not, civilized people would do what they could to help their
neighborhood be safer. I really don't understand Don's anger about being
asked to pitch in. He's only got 40 feet of frontage. That's what, 5
minutes of labor to clear a foot of snow?"


You and the JohnnyMop can relax, Sinky.
Neighbour on the corner came by with his snowblower and cleared my sidewalk and driveway.
Even came back this morning to clear what the snowplow pushed back in overnight.

Did you pay him?

Oh boy....
 

Someone wrote:
True North wrote:
10:23 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Law or not, civilized people would do what they could to help their
neighborhood be safer. I really don't understand Don's anger about being
asked to pitch in. He's only got 40 feet of frontage. That's what, 5
minutes of labor to clear a foot of snow?"


You and the JohnnyMop can relax, Sinky.
Neighbour on the corner came by with his snowblower and cleared my sidewalk and driveway.
Even came back this morning to clear what the snowplow pushed back in overnight.

Did you pay him?

Probably did not even offer a cup of coffee.

Oh boy....
 

Kalif Swill guzzles..

"Probably did not even offer a cup of coffee"


You would like this guy, Swill......he likes red wine so the wife will be picking up a couple bottles for him as soon as we get the Highlander back on the road. Haven't had it out since Saturday because of the two storms and the super narrow roads.

Oh boy....
 

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 05:27:05 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Kalif Swill guzzles..

"Probably did not even offer a cup of coffee"


You would like this guy, Swill......he likes red wine so the wife will be picking up a couple bottles for him as soon as we get the Highlander back on the road. Haven't had it out since Saturday because of the two storms and the super narrow roads.

Rather than call kiddy names, you should thank Bill for giving you an idea. Oh, and
one nice bottle would probably be more appreciated than two screw tops.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Oh boy....
 

On 3/20/2015 8:27 AM, True North wrote:
Kalif Swill guzzles..

"Probably did not even offer a cup of coffee"


You would like this guy, Swill......he likes red wine so the wife will be picking up a couple bottles for him as soon as we get the Highlander back on the road. Haven't had it out since Saturday because of the two storms and the super narrow roads.

You took the hint. Good boy. Make sure it's not cooking wine.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Oh boy....
 

True North wrote:
Kalif Swill guzzles..

"Probably did not even offer a cup of coffee"


You would like this guy, Swill......he likes red wine so the wife will be
picking up a couple bottles for him as soon as we get the Highlander back
on the road. Haven't had it out since Saturday because of the two storms
and the super narrow roads.

Hopefully it is California wine. We love the revenue.
Did you offer the guy a hot drink? Offer to pay for his expensive gasoline?

Oh boy....
 

Finally took the Highlander out today for the first time since last Saturday. We were getting short on grub.
Our Springer Spaniel has cabin fever....he runs circles around the truck and looks at it..then me..demanding a ride.
City still in bad shape...no on street parking since Tuesday night and our street is a narrow one lane. City still hasn't shown up to clear the sidewalks. Expecting another storm tonight but should be 40mm of rain.
Wife and I shoveled a path down the driveway to the back deck and shoveled the 3 - 5 foot drifts off. We were afraid the snow would absorb rain and exceed the deck's weight tolerance.
If we get another winter like this, I'll be trading the Toro electric for a proper snowblower.

Oh boy....
 

True North wrote:
Finally took the Highlander out today for the first time since last
Saturday. We were getting short on grub.
Our Springer Spaniel has cabin fever....he runs circles around the truck
and looks at it..then me..demanding a ride.
City still in bad shape...no on street parking since Tuesday night and
our street is a narrow one lane. City still hasn't shown up to clear the
sidewalks. Expecting another storm tonight but should be 40mm of rain.
Wife and I shoveled a path down the driveway to the back deck and
shoveled the 3 - 5 foot drifts off. We were afraid the snow would absorb
rain and exceed the deck's weight tolerance.
If we get another winter like this, I'll be trading the Toro electric for
a proper snowblower.

We had a bit of snow the other day but it melted away by 10 am.
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Oh boy....
 

True North wrote:
Finally took the Highlander out today for the first time since last Saturday. We were getting short on grub.
Our Springer Spaniel has cabin fever....he runs circles around the truck and looks at it..then me..demanding a ride.
City still in bad shape...no on street parking since Tuesday night and our street is a narrow one lane. City still hasn't shown up to clear the sidewalks. Expecting another storm tonight but should be 40mm of rain.
Wife and I shoveled a path down the driveway to the back deck and shoveled the 3 - 5 foot drifts off. We were afraid the snow would absorb rain and exceed the deck's weight tolerance.
If we get another winter like this, I'll be trading the Toro electric for a proper snowblower.


Snow absorbing rain? Where did you come up with that?

Oh boy....
 

On 3/21/2015 9:52 PM, Someone wrote:
True North wrote:
Finally took the Highlander out today for the first time since last
Saturday. We were getting short on grub.
Our Springer Spaniel has cabin fever....he runs circles around the
truck and looks at it..then me..demanding a ride.
City still in bad shape...no on street parking since Tuesday night and
our street is a narrow one lane. City still hasn't shown up to clear
the sidewalks. Expecting another storm tonight but should be 40mm of
rain.
Wife and I shoveled a path down the driveway to the back deck and
shoveled the 3 - 5 foot drifts off. We were afraid the snow would
absorb rain and exceed the deck's weight tolerance.
If we get another winter like this, I'll be trading the Toro electric
for a proper snowblower.



Snow absorbing rain? Where did you come up with that?



Rain soaked snow is a major cause of collapsed roofs and other
structures, especially when they are flat. Rain soaked snow is much
heavier than dry, powdery snow. During this past winter there were about
200 roofs or structures that collapsed in Massachusetts due to heavy
snow that became saturated with rain, exceeding the load design limits
of the buildings. Several were schools. Homeowners were constantly
warned to remove snow from roofs and flat structures to prevent this.

Rain saturated snow also lead to ice dams that can cause water to back
up under roof shingles, causing major damage inside houses. Don's
concerns are valid.

Oh boy....
 

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"Rain soaked snow is a major cause of collapsed roofs and other
structures, especially when they are flat. *Rain soaked snow is much
heavier than dry, powdery snow. During this past winter there were about
200 roofs or structures that collapsed in Massachusetts due to heavy
snow that became saturated with rain, exceeding the load design limits
of the buildings. *Several were schools. Homeowners were constantly
warned to remove snow from roofs and flat structures to prevent this.

Rain saturated snow also lead to ice dams that can cause water to back
up under roof shingles, causing major damage inside houses. *Don's
concerns are valid."


Thank you Richard for having the patience to educate these dimwits.
I usually don't and prefer to let them wallow in their ignorance. ;-)

Oh boy....
 

On 3/22/2015 10:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:11:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/21/2015 9:52 PM, Someone wrote:
True North wrote:
Finally took the Highlander out today for the first time since last
Saturday. We were getting short on grub.
Our Springer Spaniel has cabin fever....he runs circles around the
truck and looks at it..then me..demanding a ride.
City still in bad shape...no on street parking since Tuesday night and
our street is a narrow one lane. City still hasn't shown up to clear
the sidewalks. Expecting another storm tonight but should be 40mm of
rain.
Wife and I shoveled a path down the driveway to the back deck and
shoveled the 3 - 5 foot drifts off. We were afraid the snow would
absorb rain and exceed the deck's weight tolerance.
If we get another winter like this, I'll be trading the Toro electric
for a proper snowblower.



Snow absorbing rain? Where did you come up with that?



Rain soaked snow is a major cause of collapsed roofs and other
structures, especially when they are flat. Rain soaked snow is much
heavier than dry, powdery snow. During this past winter there were about
200 roofs or structures that collapsed in Massachusetts due to heavy
snow that became saturated with rain, exceeding the load design limits
of the buildings. Several were schools. Homeowners were constantly
warned to remove snow from roofs and flat structures to prevent this.

Rain saturated snow also lead to ice dams that can cause water to back
up under roof shingles, causing major damage inside houses. Don's
concerns are valid.


That ice dam thing is strange. I lived my whole life and never heard
of an ice dam and the last year I was in Maryland I had it.
It took me a while to figure out what was going on and even longer to
figure out how to get the dam cleared. Without air tools, I am not
sure how I would have done it, non destructively. (an air chisel does
wonders)



Most recommended way is steam. Melts the ice and doesn't destroy the
roof. Many of the sudden "professionals" that sprung up around here
were using hammers, air hammers and chisels. Not recommended.

We were fortunate. We had ice build up in the gutters but nothing backed
up under the shingles and into the interior walls and we didn't lose any
gutters. I think (but am not sure) that we have heater wires in the
eves. I know there's a ridge heater because there's a breaker in the
power panel for it and I checked it with a clamp-on ammeter and it was
drawing current. The reason I think there are also heaters in the eves
that run off the same circuit is because even though the gutters were
solid ice, there was still water dripping over them, even when the
temperature outside was in the single digits.

Oh boy....
 

On 3/22/2015 11:28 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 10:53:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/22/2015 10:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:11:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/21/2015 9:52 PM, Someone wrote:
True North wrote:
Finally took the Highlander out today for the first time since last
Saturday. We were getting short on grub.
Our Springer Spaniel has cabin fever....he runs circles around the
truck and looks at it..then me..demanding a ride.
City still in bad shape...no on street parking since Tuesday night and
our street is a narrow one lane. City still hasn't shown up to clear
the sidewalks. Expecting another storm tonight but should be 40mm of
rain.
Wife and I shoveled a path down the driveway to the back deck and
shoveled the 3 - 5 foot drifts off. We were afraid the snow would
absorb rain and exceed the deck's weight tolerance.
If we get another winter like this, I'll be trading the Toro electric
for a proper snowblower.



Snow absorbing rain? Where did you come up with that?



Rain soaked snow is a major cause of collapsed roofs and other
structures, especially when they are flat. Rain soaked snow is much
heavier than dry, powdery snow. During this past winter there were about
200 roofs or structures that collapsed in Massachusetts due to heavy
snow that became saturated with rain, exceeding the load design limits
of the buildings. Several were schools. Homeowners were constantly
warned to remove snow from roofs and flat structures to prevent this.

Rain saturated snow also lead to ice dams that can cause water to back
up under roof shingles, causing major damage inside houses. Don's
concerns are valid.


That ice dam thing is strange. I lived my whole life and never heard
of an ice dam and the last year I was in Maryland I had it.
It took me a while to figure out what was going on and even longer to
figure out how to get the dam cleared. Without air tools, I am not
sure how I would have done it, non destructively. (an air chisel does
wonders)



Most recommended way is steam. Melts the ice and doesn't destroy the
roof. Many of the sudden "professionals" that sprung up around here
were using hammers, air hammers and chisels. Not recommended.

We were fortunate. We had ice build up in the gutters but nothing backed
up under the shingles and into the interior walls and we didn't lose any
gutters. I think (but am not sure) that we have heater wires in the
eves. I know there's a ridge heater because there's a breaker in the
power panel for it and I checked it with a clamp-on ammeter and it was
drawing current. The reason I think there are also heaters in the eves
that run off the same circuit is because even though the gutters were
solid ice, there was still water dripping over them, even when the
temperature outside was in the single digits.




I swept off all the snow I could get at and then used the air chisel
to surgically cut some channels for the water to escape. Once the
water started moving during the day, the holes opened pretty fast.
It was a one day problem.
I had never seen it before and I lived in Md for 38 years.



Yeah, ice dams are not usually an issue but when you have as much snow,
and sleet that we've had (mostly in February) and then factor in
abnormally low temps, they become an issue. In all of February we only
had one day that the temp rose slightly above freezing. Most nights and
pre-dawn hours were single digits or zero and below.

The ice dams are created when heat escaping from the house attic melts
the bottom surface of the snow, runs toward the eves then re-freezes.
After a while it can't flow off the shingles, so it is forced back up
*under* them and leaks into interior walls.

Oh boy....
 

On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:28:42 -0400, wrote:

We were fortunate. We had ice build up in the gutters but nothing backed
up under the shingles and into the interior walls and we didn't lose any
gutters. I think (but am not sure) that we have heater wires in the
eves. I know there's a ridge heater because there's a breaker in the
power panel for it and I checked it with a clamp-on ammeter and it was
drawing current. The reason I think there are also heaters in the eves
that run off the same circuit is because even though the gutters were
solid ice, there was still water dripping over them, even when the
temperature outside was in the single digits.




I swept off all the snow I could get at and then used the air chisel
to surgically cut some channels for the water to escape. Once the
water started moving during the day, the holes opened pretty fast.
It was a one day problem.
I had never seen it before and I lived in Md for 38 years.

===

It was a very common problem in the Upstate NY snow belt where I grew
up. A lot of houses had wide copper strips on the edge of the roof
which helped to keep ice from accumulating. If an ice dam did form
we'd use an axe or hatchet to chop a channel or two for the water to
run off. Some care was required and I don't miss it at all.

Our last house in the north had a large bay window in the front which
was prone to forming ice dams.

Oh boy....
 

On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 8:21:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

Thank you Richard for having the patience to educate these dimwits.
I usually don't and prefer to let them wallow in their ignorance. ;-)

Shut up asshole, you're the only known dimwit here.