On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 3:30:51 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2015 3:15 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 2:05:28 PM UTC-5, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/4/2015 8:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
One of our heat pumps uses propane for heat and electric for backup. The
other is only electric. But we need propane to run the hot water heater,
stovetop, and fireplace. No hot water = unhappy wife.

Do you even know what a heat pump is?

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Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Yeah, I caught that. I'll have to ask my HVAC guy if he can install a "heat pump" for me that runs on propane.



Your HVAC guy will probably recommend a hybrid heat pump system. Yes,
they make them. It's a traditional air or ground water heat pump with
a propane fueled heater as well. Makes sense for climates where the
air temp drops to the point where the heat pump side becomes too
inefficient.

Yes, I know they exist.

On 3/4/15 3:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2015 3:15 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 2:05:28 PM UTC-5, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/4/2015 8:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
One of our heat pumps uses propane for heat and electric for backup.
The
other is only electric. But we need propane to run the hot water
heater,
stovetop, and fireplace. No hot water = unhappy wife.

Do you even know what a heat pump is?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Yeah, I caught that. I'll have to ask my HVAC guy if he can install a
"heat pump" for me that runs on propane.



Your HVAC guy will probably recommend a hybrid heat pump system. Yes,
they make them. It's a traditional air or ground water heat pump with
a propane fueled heater as well. Makes sense for climates where the
air temp drops to the point where the heat pump side becomes too
inefficient.



It is indeed a hybrid system...air heat pump/furnace that runs on
electricity in temperate or hot conditions, propane backup when it is
too cold outside to extract heat.

Your buddy in Florida is a moron.

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True North wrote:
KC
- show quoted text -
"Ha, haven't shoveled in weeks... Just drive through it That's why God
made 4x4 and snow tires. It's so funny at work listening to everyone
complain about driving in the snow when they won't even spring for pair
of snow tires"


Pair of snow tires???
Up here they recommend all four.

"Up there" they also recommend boats that corrode.

I was mildly surprised last winter. We had a 9 1/2" snowfall and they had not yet plowed my condo complex. It came time for me to leave for work and I was as I said mildly surprised when my 2014 Ford Taurus FWD only drove right through it to the street which had been plowed.

It came with Michelin all season tires and they seem to do well in the snow of course being FWD helps a lot.

On 3/5/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 15:47:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/4/15 3:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2015 3:15 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 2:05:28 PM UTC-5, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/4/2015 8:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
One of our heat pumps uses propane for heat and electric for backup.
The
other is only electric. But we need propane to run the hot water
heater,
stovetop, and fireplace. No hot water = unhappy wife.

Do you even know what a heat pump is?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Yeah, I caught that. I'll have to ask my HVAC guy if he can install a
"heat pump" for me that runs on propane.



Your HVAC guy will probably recommend a hybrid heat pump system. Yes,
they make them. It's a traditional air or ground water heat pump with
a propane fueled heater as well. Makes sense for climates where the
air temp drops to the point where the heat pump side becomes too
inefficient.



It is indeed a hybrid system...air heat pump/furnace that runs on
electricity in temperate or hot conditions, propane backup when it is
too cold outside to extract heat.

Your buddy in Florida is a moron.

Heat pumps are not that popular here except as pool heaters.

We have resistive electric heat but it really never gets used. I don't
think the strips in the central system have been on in 2 years.
The concept of a gas furnace is not even understood by people who have
lived here all their life.


When we put our pool in I looked at propane versus heat pump (reverse
cycle A/C) and went for the heat pump. In this part of the country
trying to heat the pool too early is a waste of time unless you have
a good thermal cover for the pool (which are a pain in the ass).
If I start warming up the pool water too early in the season there will
be a fog over the pool in the mornings when the air temperature is below
the water temp. It's like watching $$ evaporating out of the pool.

We use it from late June, early July to raise the temp up to about 82-84
degrees and from there the water will stay fairly warm throughout
the summer. We also use it to extend the season a bit but don't run it
that much. It's a 150K BTU unit and it's not exactly cheap to run but
is still less expensive than propane.

On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:06:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

We use it from late June, early July to raise the temp up to about 82-84
degrees and from there the water will stay fairly warm throughout
the summer. We also use it to extend the season a bit but don't run it
that much. It's a 150K BTU unit and it's not exactly cheap to run but
is still less expensive than propane.

===

We have a similar unit. I figure that it costs around $5/day this
time of year to keep water temp in the upper 80s. I'll probably turn
it back on in another week or two since I enjoy a daily dip late in
the late afternoon.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:15:52 +0000, RGrew176 wrote:


I was mildly surprised last winter. We had a 9 1/2" snowfall and they
had not yet plowed my condo complex. It came time for me to leave for
work and I was as I said mildly surprised when my 2014 Ford Taurus FWD
only drove right through it to the street which had been plowed.

It came with Michelin all season tires and they seem to do well in the
snow of course being FWD helps a lot.

We had a Jetta for four years in Germany, with lots of snow, and another Jetta now -
both front wheel drive only. The little buggers can handle snow pretty well, although
the manual transmission helped a lot on the earlier one.

It's snowing here again. I suppose we're on our way to the 6-8" we're supposed to
get. They were at least partially right on the forecast last night. They said the
rain would change to snow o/a 8-9am. It just changed.
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Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 3/5/2015 3:15 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I was mildly surprised last winter. We had a 9 1/2" snowfall and they
had not yet plowed my condo complex. It came time for me to leave for
work and I was as I said mildly surprised when my 2014 Ford Taurus FWD
only drove right through it to the street which had been plowed.

It came with Michelin all season tires and they seem to do well in the
snow of course being FWD helps a lot.

Try it in 30, 40 or 50 inches of snow. :-)

Back in November I bought an old, 1988 Lincoln Town Car to fool around
with and drive locally. I parked it beside the house just before the
first major storm in February. By the end of February you couldn't tell
there was a car there. It was completely covered and hidden in snow and
snow drifts.

I finally dug it out last week. Battery was dead because of the cold
but a quick charge brought it back to life and the car fired right up.
Don't think I'll be driving it for a while yet though. It's in really
good condition ... looks almost new ... with no rust or rot. No sense
in driving it around on salt treated roads.

wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 07:55:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:15:52 +0000, RGrew176 wrote:


I was mildly surprised last winter. We had a 9 1/2" snowfall and they
had not yet plowed my condo complex. It came time for me to leave for
work and I was as I said mildly surprised when my 2014 Ford Taurus FWD
only drove right through it to the street which had been plowed.

It came with Michelin all season tires and they seem to do well in the
snow of course being FWD helps a lot.

We had a Jetta for four years in Germany, with lots of snow, and another Jetta now -
both front wheel drive only. The little buggers can handle snow pretty well, although
the manual transmission helped a lot on the earlier one.

It's snowing here again. I suppose we're on our way to the 6-8" we're supposed to
get. They were at least partially right on the forecast last night. They said the
rain would change to snow o/a 8-9am. It just changed.

I am hearing I may end up in a Rav4 in New Zealand. No matter what you
rent, that may be what you get if you don't want an econobox sedan.
Hopefully I won't be in the snow but with our itinerary, it would not
shock me.

What you get in NZ may not be what you think. I forget which model Toyota
we had, but was totally different than the same name in the USA.

There probably are not to many vehicles that can traverse through 30" of the white stuff. I had a 2000 Ford F-250 Heavy Duty 4 x 4. It could handle up to about 21", any more than that I would get stuck. Like I said above the Taurus did way better that I thought it would have.