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Confused about Net Neutrality?
If you watch shows or movies on Netflix then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you like YouTube then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you listen to Pandora then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you enjoy funny videos of animals or kids on Facebook then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you dislike the idea of your Internet provider squeezing the "pipe" to a trickle unless you pay an additional premium then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you are creeped out by the idea that your Internet provider could stop you from getting to the websites of their competitors then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
Confused about Net Neutrality?
On 2/27/2015 10:07 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
If you watch shows or movies on Netflix then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you like YouTube then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you listen to Pandora then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you enjoy funny videos of animals or kids on Facebook then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you dislike the idea of your Internet provider squeezing the "pipe" to a trickle unless you pay an additional premium then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. If you are creeped out by the idea that your Internet provider could stop you from getting to the websites of their competitors then you are in favor of Net Neutrality. And, of course, if you are in favor of the government controlling just about E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G, you are a liberal. ;-) -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. === Surely even you know better than that. The graphics aren't an issue. It's the scripting behind the graphics that can cause mischief. |
Confused about Net Neutrality?
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:39:46 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. === Surely even you know better than that. The graphics aren't an issue. It's the scripting behind the graphics that can cause mischief. MS Outlook doesn't open graphics unless I ask it to. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On 2/27/15 4:50 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 4:19 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:39:30 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:12:27 -0500, wrote: Why should a person who sits there all day watching cat videos and streamed movies be paying the same price as someone who just checks their E-mail a couple times a day? === I've got an idea, let's invent something called "dial-up service" with a modem. Or maybe we could design an acoustical coupler for a cell phone. :-) If all you are doing is text E-mail and usenet, dialup works just fine. My connection defaults to dial up if the broadband is down and I barely notice the difference here until I click a link to a web site. Back when I had Comcast, I was using dial up a lot. Now with my DSL, it is very rare. I am sure a coupler would work fine on a cell phone if you could actually get the speaker and mikes coupled. You might be stuck with 2400 BPS though. I am not sure quadrature modulation would work on the compressed cell signal. I never even saw a V.34 connection with a coupler on a land line. The 5x kb v.90 is out of the question. That requires landline infrastructure that is not in a cell tower. It might be an interesting hack if I could come up with a coupler/modem. As far as the original assertion, a person just looking at E-mail these days will still be getting quite a bit of graphic content, before they even get the E-mail client open if they use any of the services like Yahoo, AOL, MSN etc. I am still running AOL 7 for my mail, just because there is virtually no graphic content and it will not run scripts. When I get that script error message on what looks like an innocuous note, I wonder what they were trying to do to me. It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. I don't use Yahoo, AOL, or MSN for incoming email, but I still get and accept graphics with emails from a number of those entities that send me emails. DSL is broadband? Wow...it must have had quantum leaps in technology. I always thought it was really slow compared to cable. We dumped out dialup carrier years ago when we went to smartphones. Once in a while the cable service goes down and if it does, the cell net usually is still up and delivering email or web services. DSL is 10 meg and the reliability is far better than Comcast, no matter how fast it is when it works. 10 meg all the time is a whole lot better that 30 meg that is down at least once a day. What, exactly are you streaming that needs more than 10 meg? I think you are probably an audiophool who can hear the oxygen in your speaker cables too, If you need an animated graphic of a monkey ****ing a football in the corner of your screen to read a text E-mail, you are the perfect internet customer for the people who are going to be metering your service by the byte. Once in a while Comcast goes down because a tree has fallen on the overhead wires that carry its signal before it gets to the underground wires on our street. If that happens, the odds are DSL will go down, too, for the same reason. So, you must get a lot of emails with a "monkey ****ing a football," eh? Figures. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 2/27/2015 7:21 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:51:03 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:39:46 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. === Surely even you know better than that. The graphics aren't an issue. It's the scripting behind the graphics that can cause mischief. I try not to confuse Harry with too much technical chatter. He will call me a hobbyist and snerk. I wonder what pills Harry takes for his inflamed back. Osteopenia and an inflamed back? He's a mess, isn't he? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Confused about Net Neutrality?
On 2/27/2015 4:50 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 4:19 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:39:30 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:12:27 -0500, wrote: Why should a person who sits there all day watching cat videos and streamed movies be paying the same price as someone who just checks their E-mail a couple times a day? === I've got an idea, let's invent something called "dial-up service" with a modem. Or maybe we could design an acoustical coupler for a cell phone. :-) If all you are doing is text E-mail and usenet, dialup works just fine. My connection defaults to dial up if the broadband is down and I barely notice the difference here until I click a link to a web site. Back when I had Comcast, I was using dial up a lot. Now with my DSL, it is very rare. I am sure a coupler would work fine on a cell phone if you could actually get the speaker and mikes coupled. You might be stuck with 2400 BPS though. I am not sure quadrature modulation would work on the compressed cell signal. I never even saw a V.34 connection with a coupler on a land line. The 5x kb v.90 is out of the question. That requires landline infrastructure that is not in a cell tower. It might be an interesting hack if I could come up with a coupler/modem. As far as the original assertion, a person just looking at E-mail these days will still be getting quite a bit of graphic content, before they even get the E-mail client open if they use any of the services like Yahoo, AOL, MSN etc. I am still running AOL 7 for my mail, just because there is virtually no graphic content and it will not run scripts. When I get that script error message on what looks like an innocuous note, I wonder what they were trying to do to me. It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. I don't use Yahoo, AOL, or MSN for incoming email, but I still get and accept graphics with emails from a number of those entities that send me emails. DSL is broadband? Wow...it must have had quantum leaps in technology. I always thought it was really slow compared to cable. We dumped out dialup carrier years ago when we went to smartphones. Once in a while the cable service goes down and if it does, the cell net usually is still up and delivering email or web services. DSL is 10 meg and the reliability is far better than Comcast, no matter how fast it is when it works. 10 meg all the time is a whole lot better that 30 meg that is down at least once a day. What, exactly are you streaming that needs more than 10 meg? I think you are probably an audiophool who can hear the oxygen in your speaker cables too, If you need an animated graphic of a monkey ****ing a football in the corner of your screen to read a text E-mail, you are the perfect internet customer for the people who are going to be metering your service by the byte. I disagree. We had DSL in the houses in Florida because cable was not available. It was adequate for what we used it for at the time but was certainly slower than the Comcast cable we had at the house in MA. The original guitar shop I had also had DSL because the building I was renting space in was not wired for cable. Again, it was adequate but was noticeably slower than the cable service in the house and that was before our house cable system was completely updated. In past years we experienced numerous problems with Comcast but it turns out they were related to the type of modem/wireless router they had provided and the antiquated distribution system that was installed in our house 14 years ago. About a year ago Comcast/Xfinity came out and tore out all the old stuff and installed new, high bandwidth distribution amps along with a new modem/router. They also increased the speed from 25Mbs to over 100Mbs. Difference is night and day. I can send and receive multiple high resolution images taken with my camera and large video files via email with no problems. In the past some of those files were too big to email and I'd have to use Dropbox or some other method of transferring them to someone. Reliability has been near 100 percent. During one of the recent snow storms we lost cable service (both TV and Internet) for about a half hour. Other than that I don't recall having an outage since the system was updated and the new modem/router was installed. |
Confused about Net Neutrality?
On 2/27/2015 5:39 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. === Surely even you know better than that. The graphics aren't an issue. It's the scripting behind the graphics that can cause mischief. That's one thing I like about Thunderbird. It prevents opening and displaying anything in an email unless you tell it to. |
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On 2/27/2015 6:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 5:51 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:39:46 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. === Surely even you know better than that. The graphics aren't an issue. It's the scripting behind the graphics that can cause mischief. I try not to confuse Harry with too much technical chatter. He will call me a hobbyist and snerk. D'oh "To protect you from those with malicious intent, Thunderbird does not allow any scripts (VBscript JavaScript) to run within the email. This means that the bouncing ball or the funny banner that the sender programs to follow your mouse simply will not work, but it also means that the folks over at virii R us can't get their little gem to play either, so even if the mail contains a script to download every know virus onto your computer, opening the email will do nothing because the script simply can't run. "This is also the case with Flash animations and flash movies. They also don't work, and for the same reason that the scripts are disabled. They represent a threat to your security." Perhaps you need to upgrade to modern software, eh? Oh, and I'm going to eat more beans, to make Wayne's sniffing up my ass more pleasant for him. I just mentioned that feature about Thunderbird that I like. In order to open and view something in an email you must click on "Options" and allow remote content. I only do that for emails I am expecting and/or from people I know. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 5:51 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:39:46 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. === Surely even you know better than that. The graphics aren't an issue. It's the scripting behind the graphics that can cause mischief. I try not to confuse Harry with too much technical chatter. He will call me a hobbyist and snerk. D'oh "To protect you from those with malicious intent, Thunderbird does not allow any scripts (VBscript JavaScript) to run within the email. This means that the bouncing ball or the funny banner that the sender programs to follow your mouse simply will not work, but it also means that the folks over at virii R us can't get their little gem to play either, so even if the mail contains a script to download every know virus onto your computer, opening the email will do nothing because the script simply can't run. "This is also the case with Flash animations and flash movies. They also don't work, and for the same reason that the scripts are disabled. They represent a threat to your security." Perhaps you need to upgrade to modern software, eh? Oh, and I'm going to eat more beans, to make Wayne's sniffing up my ass more pleasant for him. I just mentioned that feature about Thunderbird that I like. In order to open and view something in an email you must click on "Options" and allow remote content. I only do that for emails I am expecting and/or from people I know. Likewise. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:24:06 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/27/2015 7:21 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:51:03 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:39:46 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some of your emails. === Surely even you know better than that. The graphics aren't an issue. It's the scripting behind the graphics that can cause mischief. I try not to confuse Harry with too much technical chatter. He will call me a hobbyist and snerk. I wonder what pills Harry takes for his inflamed back. Osteopenia and an inflamed back? He's a mess, isn't he? The inflammation due to his constant patting himself on the back must be severe. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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