Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

On 2/12/2015 6:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2015 6:22 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 17:48:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Nope just a 68 year old geezer with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
That was really just the rough in. I came back later with a square
shovel and cleaned them up before I put in the steel and formed it up
for a stem wall.
It was about 2 yards of dirt by the time I was done.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/forms.jpg

Then the walls went up on the stem wall.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/walls%20going%20up.jpg


You could never get away with that up here.

===

Because of regulatory issues or frost heaves?


Both. Footings need to be at least 4' below the ground level.



Afterthought:

Of course in Florida at 4' you'd likely hit water. :-)

Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

On 2/12/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2015 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:46:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:12:44 -0500, wrote:

On 12 Feb 2015 17:38:57 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:

Sex - it is more fun than flying model airplanes or rebuilding
patio bars.

but not more fun than sex in your NEW pool bar (this was a totally
different bar at the other end of the pool from the other bar, not a
"rebuilt" one) I have 2 now.

We started here
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Footer.jpg

===

Was that from wild hogs having sex on your lawn?

Nope just a 68 year old geezer with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
That was really just the rough in. I came back later with a square
shovel and cleaned them up before I put in the steel and formed it up
for a stem wall.
It was about 2 yards of dirt by the time I was done.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/forms.jpg

Then the walls went up on the stem wall.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/walls%20going%20up.jpg


You could never get away with that up here.




I frequently stared in wonderment at the standards for commercial
construction in Florida. After Hurricane Andrew, I went down there with
a small team of engineers to help research and write a report. Everyone
expected to see jerry-built stick houses and apartments blown over, but
we were amazed at the number of large tip-up concrete structures that
were blown flat. Codes and inspections supposedly were tightened after
that, but I wonder. A decade later, I was out north of Clearwater out on
two public school sites and a generating plant under construction and
was again amazed by the engineers I was with who were pointing out
really serious code violations. The explanation was that "the fix" was
in. Probably still is, eh?

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:28:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2015 6:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2015 6:22 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 17:48:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Nope just a 68 year old geezer with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
That was really just the rough in. I came back later with a square
shovel and cleaned them up before I put in the steel and formed it up
for a stem wall.
It was about 2 yards of dirt by the time I was done.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/forms.jpg

Then the walls went up on the stem wall.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/walls%20going%20up.jpg


You could never get away with that up here.

===

Because of regulatory issues or frost heaves?


Both. Footings need to be at least 4' below the ground level.



Afterthought:

Of course in Florida at 4' you'd likely hit water. :-)

===

That's just about right, at least at our place. I've dug two 4 ft
holes recently and hit water in both places.

Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:12:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/12/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2015 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:46:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:12:44 -0500, wrote:

On 12 Feb 2015 17:38:57 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:

Sex - it is more fun than flying model airplanes or rebuilding
patio bars.

but not more fun than sex in your NEW pool bar (this was a totally
different bar at the other end of the pool from the other bar, not a
"rebuilt" one) I have 2 now.

We started here
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Footer.jpg

===

Was that from wild hogs having sex on your lawn?

Nope just a 68 year old geezer with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
That was really just the rough in. I came back later with a square
shovel and cleaned them up before I put in the steel and formed it up
for a stem wall.
It was about 2 yards of dirt by the time I was done.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/forms.jpg

Then the walls went up on the stem wall.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/walls%20going%20up.jpg


You could never get away with that up here.




I frequently stared in wonderment at the standards for commercial
construction in Florida. After Hurricane Andrew, I went down there with
a small team of engineers to help research and write a report. Everyone
expected to see jerry-built stick houses and apartments blown over, but
we were amazed at the number of large tip-up concrete structures that
were blown flat. Codes and inspections supposedly were tightened after
that, but I wonder. A decade later, I was out north of Clearwater out on
two public school sites and a generating plant under construction and
was again amazed by the engineers I was with who were pointing out
really serious code violations. The explanation was that "the fix" was
in. Probably still is, eh?

Still is in Maryland, eh?

http://wtop.com/prince-georges-count...alling-bridge/
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

Abit Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:12:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/12/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2015 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:46:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:12:44 -0500, wrote:

On 12 Feb 2015 17:38:57 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:

Sex - it is more fun than flying model airplanes or rebuilding
patio bars.

but not more fun than sex in your NEW pool bar (this was a totally
different bar at the other end of the pool from the other bar, not a
"rebuilt" one) I have 2 now.

We started here
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Footer.jpg

===

Was that from wild hogs having sex on your lawn?

Nope just a 68 year old geezer with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
That was really just the rough in. I came back later with a square
shovel and cleaned them up before I put in the steel and formed it up
for a stem wall.
It was about 2 yards of dirt by the time I was done.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/forms.jpg

Then the walls went up on the stem wall.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/walls%20going%20up.jpg


You could never get away with that up here.




I frequently stared in wonderment at the standards for commercial
construction in Florida. After Hurricane Andrew, I went down there with
a small team of engineers to help research and write a report. Everyone
expected to see jerry-built stick houses and apartments blown over, but
we were amazed at the number of large tip-up concrete structures that
were blown flat. Codes and inspections supposedly were tightened after
that, but I wonder. A decade later, I was out north of Clearwater out on
two public school sites and a generating plant under construction and
was again amazed by the engineers I was with who were pointing out
really serious code violations. The explanation was that "the fix" was
in. Probably still is, eh?

Still is in Maryland, eh?

http://wtop.com/prince-georges-count...alling-bridge/

Weren't you some sort of quasi military engineer who specialized in blowing
up bridges, villages, women and children? You should offer up your expert
opinion on why that chunk of concrete broke loose. Did a model airplane hit
it? A golf ball? A round from one of your many firearms? Was it whacked by
the roof of an RV?
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

On 13 Feb 2015 00:40:49 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Abit Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:12:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/12/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2015 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:46:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:12:44 -0500, wrote:

On 12 Feb 2015 17:38:57 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:

Sex - it is more fun than flying model airplanes or rebuilding
patio bars.

but not more fun than sex in your NEW pool bar (this was a totally
different bar at the other end of the pool from the other bar, not a
"rebuilt" one) I have 2 now.

We started here
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Footer.jpg

===

Was that from wild hogs having sex on your lawn?

Nope just a 68 year old geezer with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
That was really just the rough in. I came back later with a square
shovel and cleaned them up before I put in the steel and formed it up
for a stem wall.
It was about 2 yards of dirt by the time I was done.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/forms.jpg

Then the walls went up on the stem wall.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/walls%20going%20up.jpg


You could never get away with that up here.




I frequently stared in wonderment at the standards for commercial
construction in Florida. After Hurricane Andrew, I went down there with
a small team of engineers to help research and write a report. Everyone
expected to see jerry-built stick houses and apartments blown over, but
we were amazed at the number of large tip-up concrete structures that
were blown flat. Codes and inspections supposedly were tightened after
that, but I wonder. A decade later, I was out north of Clearwater out on
two public school sites and a generating plant under construction and
was again amazed by the engineers I was with who were pointing out
really serious code violations. The explanation was that "the fix" was
in. Probably still is, eh?

Still is in Maryland, eh?

http://wtop.com/prince-georges-count...alling-bridge/

Weren't you some sort of quasi military engineer who specialized in blowing
up bridges, villages, women and children? You should offer up your expert
opinion on why that chunk of concrete broke loose. Did a model airplane hit
it? A golf ball? A round from one of your many firearms? Was it whacked by
the roof of an RV?

===

It was no doubt a sociopathic piece of concrete that didn't know right
from wrong and could care less.

Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

On 13 Feb 2015 00:40:49 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Abit Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:12:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/12/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2015 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:46:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:12:44 -0500, wrote:

On 12 Feb 2015 17:38:57 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:

Sex - it is more fun than flying model airplanes or rebuilding
patio bars.

but not more fun than sex in your NEW pool bar (this was a totally
different bar at the other end of the pool from the other bar, not a
"rebuilt" one) I have 2 now.

We started here
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Footer.jpg

===

Was that from wild hogs having sex on your lawn?

Nope just a 68 year old geezer with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
That was really just the rough in. I came back later with a square
shovel and cleaned them up before I put in the steel and formed it up
for a stem wall.
It was about 2 yards of dirt by the time I was done.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/forms.jpg

Then the walls went up on the stem wall.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/walls%20going%20up.jpg


You could never get away with that up here.




I frequently stared in wonderment at the standards for commercial
construction in Florida. After Hurricane Andrew, I went down there with
a small team of engineers to help research and write a report. Everyone
expected to see jerry-built stick houses and apartments blown over, but
we were amazed at the number of large tip-up concrete structures that
were blown flat. Codes and inspections supposedly were tightened after
that, but I wonder. A decade later, I was out north of Clearwater out on
two public school sites and a generating plant under construction and
was again amazed by the engineers I was with who were pointing out
really serious code violations. The explanation was that "the fix" was
in. Probably still is, eh?

Still is in Maryland, eh?

http://wtop.com/prince-georges-count...alling-bridge/

Weren't you some sort of quasi military engineer who specialized in blowing
up bridges, villages, women and children? You should offer up your expert
opinion on why that chunk of concrete broke loose. Did a model airplane hit
it? A golf ball? A round from one of your many firearms? Was it whacked by
the roof of an RV?

Most likely union labor did a ****-poor job of pouring the concrete.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

Abit Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:18:09 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/12/15 11:06 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
What better way than a gift that is meaningful and can be passed down thru the
generations:

http://tinyurl.com/ptn9v67

And don't forget these:

http://tinyurl.com/pz7mypk

Well, there's no question why you have so many hobbies...you can't get
laid. Try a different sort of Valentine's gift.
Harry, I'm not the one continuously bringing up penis's, vaginas, getting laid, etc.

Got sex on your mind, Krause?
Did you forget his frequent posts about models? Then there is that
secret infatuation with Palin. He's projecting, obviously.

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On 2/14/2015 11:18 PM, Someone Else wrote:
Abit Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:18:09 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/12/15 11:06 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
What better way than a gift that is meaningful and can be passed
down thru the
generations:

http://tinyurl.com/ptn9v67

And don't forget these:

http://tinyurl.com/pz7mypk

Well, there's no question why you have so many hobbies...you can't get
laid. Try a different sort of Valentine's gift.
Harry, I'm not the one continuously bringing up penis's, vaginas,
getting laid, etc.

Got sex on your mind, Krause?
Did you forget his frequent posts about models? Then there is that
secret infatuation with Palin. He's projecting, obviously.

---
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http://www.avast.com

Have you ever noticed the pores in Palin's skin? Harry has. When he
checks a woman out, he really checks her out.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Showing your love for Valentine's Day
 

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:13:16 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/14/2015 11:18 PM, Someone Else wrote:
Abit Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:18:09 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/12/15 11:06 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
What better way than a gift that is meaningful and can be passed
down thru the
generations:

http://tinyurl.com/ptn9v67

And don't forget these:

http://tinyurl.com/pz7mypk

Well, there's no question why you have so many hobbies...you can't get
laid. Try a different sort of Valentine's gift.
Harry, I'm not the one continuously bringing up penis's, vaginas,
getting laid, etc.

Got sex on your mind, Krause?
Did you forget his frequent posts about models? Then there is that
secret infatuation with Palin. He's projecting, obviously.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
http://www.avast.com

Have you ever noticed the pores in Palin's skin? Harry has. When he
checks a woman out, he really checks her out.

Come on, give Harry a break. He may be studying to be a dermatologist and is shooting
for early cancer detection.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.