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glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:35:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/18/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? One of the pistols I had or have (maybe it's the Walther?) has a safety but they call it a "decocker". I *think* you are supposed to be able to decock it without firing a round that may be loaded but I've never trusted it to try it. May not be the Walther. I can't remember. The Sig decocker allows the hammer to come forward, but not enough to engage the firing pin. Then the pistol becomes a DA. I've tried it at the range several times. Works like a charm. |
glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:41:40 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote: The Sig decocker allows the hammer to come forward, but not enough to engage the firing pin. Then the pistol becomes a DA. I've tried it at the range several times. Works like a charm. === It would concern me unless I was at a range. In my mind there are just too many things that could go wrong if there is a live round in the chamber. |
glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. |
glock 18c
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed. |
glock 18c
On 12/18/14 2:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed. Another reason to prefer an actual safety to a decocker. When the safety is on, it doesn't matter if there is a round in the chamber...you can't pull the trigger and make the firearm discharge. |
glock 18c
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/18/14 2:46 PM, Califbill wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed. Another reason to prefer an actual safety to a decocker. When the safety is on, it doesn't matter if there is a round in the chamber...you can't pull the trigger and make the firearm discharge. It was a 6 shooter with the hammer on an empty chamber. Trigger was pulled. |
glock 18c
On 12/18/14 3:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/18/14 2:46 PM, Califbill wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed. Another reason to prefer an actual safety to a decocker. When the safety is on, it doesn't matter if there is a round in the chamber...you can't pull the trigger and make the firearm discharge. It was a 6 shooter with the hammer on an empty chamber. Trigger was pulled. That'll do it! :) |
glock 18c
On 12/18/2014 11:41 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:35:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/18/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? One of the pistols I had or have (maybe it's the Walther?) has a safety but they call it a "decocker". I *think* you are supposed to be able to decock it without firing a round that may be loaded but I've never trusted it to try it. May not be the Walther. I can't remember. The Sig decocker allows the hammer to come forward, but not enough to engage the firing pin. Then the pistol becomes a DA. I've tried it at the range several times. Works like a charm. I have a Sig 2XX (something). I'll have to check how the safety works on it. |
glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! |
glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:51:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/18/14 2:46 PM, Califbill wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed. Another reason to prefer an actual safety to a decocker. When the safety is on, it doesn't matter if there is a round in the chamber...you can't pull the trigger and make the firearm discharge. My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. |
glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:16:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/18/2014 11:41 AM, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:35:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/18/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? One of the pistols I had or have (maybe it's the Walther?) has a safety but they call it a "decocker". I *think* you are supposed to be able to decock it without firing a round that may be loaded but I've never trusted it to try it. May not be the Walther. I can't remember. The Sig decocker allows the hammer to come forward, but not enough to engage the firing pin. Then the pistol becomes a DA. I've tried it at the range several times. Works like a charm. I have a Sig 2XX (something). I'll have to check how the safety works on it. If the 226, it has a decocker. |
glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. |
glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in a safe direction anyway. |
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Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it becomes SA. SIG still makes SAO P226 models. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
glock 18c
On 18 Dec 2014 22:33:36 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it becomes SA. SIG still makes SAO P226 models. So they don't have the decocker? |
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On 18 Dec 2014 22:33:36 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it becomes SA. SIG still makes SAO P226 models. Yup, you're right. I'm glad I've got what I got! |
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Poquito Loco wrote:
On 18 Dec 2014 22:33:36 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it becomes SA. SIG still makes SAO P226 models. So they don't have the decocker? No they have the traditional thumb safety. Might still make a P220 SAO too. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:16:46 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in a safe direction anyway. === Yes but that also implies that you never chamber a round indoors where there really is no safe direction. |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:12:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:16:46 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in a safe direction anyway. === Yes but that also implies that you never chamber a round indoors where there really is no safe direction. Well, if you've chambered a round where there is no safe direction, then you can decock the pistol in the same direction. Decocking seems to be a pretty safe procedure. Are you just trying to confuse me? |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:30:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/18/14 5:11 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The "P" means police? I seriously don't understand the rational for DA/SA in semi-auto pistols. I don't like the typically long and indefinite DA pull to get to SA. I think when you pull the trigger on a firearm, it should go bang...immediately, unless you happen to like two stage triggers. I don't. My revolver is DA unless I pull the hammer back and pull the trigger. I hardly ever fire it DA. I bought a DA revolver because I prefer the way the cylinder rolls out for loading and unloading rounds. I never liked the SA method of pushing the empties out one at a time. I'm trying to decide on a new trigger for my AR-15. The Colt comes with a typical mil-spec trigger...too long a pull and too heavy. I'm thinking 3 to 3.5 pounds, single stage, would be to my liking. This just shows the truth to the 'different strokes for different folks' idiom. When shooting my revolvers, both DA, I very seldom pull the hammer back and shoot SA. I didn't know that single action revolvers required pushing empties out one at a time. What a pain. Another good reason to stick with DA revolvers. |
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On 12/18/14 6:58 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:30:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/18/14 5:11 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The "P" means police? I seriously don't understand the rational for DA/SA in semi-auto pistols. I don't like the typically long and indefinite DA pull to get to SA. I think when you pull the trigger on a firearm, it should go bang...immediately, unless you happen to like two stage triggers. I don't. My revolver is DA unless I pull the hammer back and pull the trigger. I hardly ever fire it DA. I bought a DA revolver because I prefer the way the cylinder rolls out for loading and unloading rounds. I never liked the SA method of pushing the empties out one at a time. I'm trying to decide on a new trigger for my AR-15. The Colt comes with a typical mil-spec trigger...too long a pull and too heavy. I'm thinking 3 to 3.5 pounds, single stage, would be to my liking. This just shows the truth to the 'different strokes for different folks' idiom. When shooting my revolvers, both DA, I very seldom pull the hammer back and shoot SA. I didn't know that single action revolvers required pushing empties out one at a time. What a pain. Another good reason to stick with DA revolvers. Yeah, on a SA revolver, the cylinder does not flip out. There's a "port" on the right side of the pistol, typically, a little door that flips open and you turn the cylinder by hand to line up each chamber with the port. Then you push out the "empty" with a built in ejector rod that sits under the barrel. The modern variant of the DA revolver, with a flip-out cylinder, didn't come along until nearly the end of the 19th Century, long after the Wild West was tamed. Makes you wonder about all those cowboy westerns in which the gunfighters quickly reload. Nope. :) |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/18/14 6:58 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:30:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/18/14 5:11 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The "P" means police? I seriously don't understand the rational for DA/SA in semi-auto pistols. I don't like the typically long and indefinite DA pull to get to SA. I think when you pull the trigger on a firearm, it should go bang...immediately, unless you happen to like two stage triggers. I don't. My revolver is DA unless I pull the hammer back and pull the trigger. I hardly ever fire it DA. I bought a DA revolver because I prefer the way the cylinder rolls out for loading and unloading rounds. I never liked the SA method of pushing the empties out one at a time. I'm trying to decide on a new trigger for my AR-15. The Colt comes with a typical mil-spec trigger...too long a pull and too heavy. I'm thinking 3 to 3.5 pounds, single stage, would be to my liking. This just shows the truth to the 'different strokes for different folks' idiom. When shooting my revolvers, both DA, I very seldom pull the hammer back and shoot SA. I didn't know that single action revolvers required pushing empties out one at a time. What a pain. Another good reason to stick with DA revolvers. Yeah, on a SA revolver, the cylinder does not flip out. There's a "port" on the right side of the pistol, typically, a little door that flips open and you turn the cylinder by hand to line up each chamber with the port. Then you push out the "empty" with a built in ejector rod that sits under the barrel. The modern variant of the DA revolver, with a flip-out cylinder, didn't come along until nearly the end of the 19th Century, long after the Wild West was tamed. Makes you wonder about all those cowboy westerns in which the gunfighters quickly reload. Nope. :) The gunfighter quickly reloading would have been a Top Break pistol. Th S&W was well like for that feature. And lots of the Single Action black powder guns had exchangeable cylinders. |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:15:14 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/18/14 6:58 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:30:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/18/14 5:11 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The "P" means police? I seriously don't understand the rational for DA/SA in semi-auto pistols. I don't like the typically long and indefinite DA pull to get to SA. I think when you pull the trigger on a firearm, it should go bang...immediately, unless you happen to like two stage triggers. I don't. My revolver is DA unless I pull the hammer back and pull the trigger. I hardly ever fire it DA. I bought a DA revolver because I prefer the way the cylinder rolls out for loading and unloading rounds. I never liked the SA method of pushing the empties out one at a time. I'm trying to decide on a new trigger for my AR-15. The Colt comes with a typical mil-spec trigger...too long a pull and too heavy. I'm thinking 3 to 3.5 pounds, single stage, would be to my liking. This just shows the truth to the 'different strokes for different folks' idiom. When shooting my revolvers, both DA, I very seldom pull the hammer back and shoot SA. I didn't know that single action revolvers required pushing empties out one at a time. What a pain. Another good reason to stick with DA revolvers. Yeah, on a SA revolver, the cylinder does not flip out. There's a "port" on the right side of the pistol, typically, a little door that flips open and you turn the cylinder by hand to line up each chamber with the port. Then you push out the "empty" with a built in ejector rod that sits under the barrel. The modern variant of the DA revolver, with a flip-out cylinder, didn't come along until nearly the end of the 19th Century, long after the Wild West was tamed. Makes you wonder about all those cowboy westerns in which the gunfighters quickly reload. Nope. :) Yeah, after you mentioned it I looked on You Tube. That doesn't look like a lot of fun. Guess I'll bypass all the 'cowboy' SA revolvers and stick with what I've got, although I may consider a .22 DA revolver. |
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On 12/18/14 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:30:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/18/14 5:11 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and ready to shoot by pulling the trigger. This all came about from police who were transitionally from a revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90. This will react just like a revolver. The "P" means police? That is what they told me. I seriously don't understand the rational for DA/SA in semi-auto pistols. I don't like the typically long and indefinite DA pull to get to SA. I think when you pull the trigger on a firearm, it should go bang...immediately, unless you happen to like two stage triggers. I don't. It is just something you learn to do. I feel a DA carried with the hammer down is safer than a SA in condition 1. Most police departments agree with me. My revolver is DA unless I pull the hammer back and pull the trigger. I hardly ever fire it DA. I bought a DA revolver because I prefer the way the cylinder rolls out for loading and unloading rounds. I never liked the SA method of pushing the empties out one at a time. Again, if you are not training with your revolver DA, you are not exploiting the capabilities of your weapon. If you are just busting soda bottles, it really doesn't matter but if you are in a serious social situation, you do not want to be cocking your DA revolver. Most are not designed to do that easily and there is too good a chance you might end up in half cock.. I was carrying my 1934 in condition 2 until an instructor beat me up about it. I thought I was good about cocking and shooting, until he actually tested me. Next time you visit a good gun store, pick up and handle a Ruger GP100. Pulling the hammer back is easy and becomes automatic. I have fired mine DA, and it is smooth and fast, but I prefer SA. Remember, I don't carry this revolver for self-defense. It's a honker. It's not my first choice, but if I needed it for defense in the house, I'd cock the hammer. There's no one in this house at night besides my wife and me and some cats, and we're all in bed, not in the first floor hallway or in the basement. Anyone breaks in, it'll make noise, the alarms will go off, the lights will come on, and I'll be waiting for Mr. Bozo. |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:36:35 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:12:11 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:16:46 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in a safe direction anyway. === Yes but that also implies that you never chamber a round indoors where there really is no safe direction. Well, if you've chambered a round where there is no safe direction, then you can decock the pistol in the same direction. Decocking seems to be a pretty safe procedure. Are you just trying to confuse me? === Not at all. My point is that the "decocker" is a mechanical mechanism operated by a human being, and is therefore likely to have some failure modes which could result in an accidental discharge when the hammer comes down. I would prefer not to risk an accidental discharge indoors where there really is no safe direction to point the gun in. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/18/2014 9:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:16:54 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: Yeah, after you mentioned it I looked on You Tube. That doesn't look like a lot of fun. Guess I'll bypass all the 'cowboy' SA revolvers and stick with what I've got, although I may consider a .22 DA revolver. I got a deal I couldn't refuse on my Colt Frontier scout (.22) but I pretty much just use it to shoot bird shot. It is pretty tough on rats out to 15 feet or so. I have a Colt Target Woodsman if I want to do any serious .22 pistol shooting. I had a "Pre-Woodsman" for a while. Made in 1922. My dad had a 1950's era woodsman. Worst shooting handgun he ever owned. Traded it for a Benjamin air pistol. You could bench rest that Woodsman and have a 5' pattern at 50'. The air pistol was hell on rats. Was the one with a pump, not co2. |
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On 12/19/2014 12:21 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:21:29 -0600, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/18/2014 9:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:16:54 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: Yeah, after you mentioned it I looked on You Tube. That doesn't look like a lot of fun. Guess I'll bypass all the 'cowboy' SA revolvers and stick with what I've got, although I may consider a .22 DA revolver. I got a deal I couldn't refuse on my Colt Frontier scout (.22) but I pretty much just use it to shoot bird shot. It is pretty tough on rats out to 15 feet or so. I have a Colt Target Woodsman if I want to do any serious .22 pistol shooting. I had a "Pre-Woodsman" for a while. Made in 1922. My dad had a 1950's era woodsman. Worst shooting handgun he ever owned. Traded it for a Benjamin air pistol. You could bench rest that Woodsman and have a 5' pattern at 50'. The air pistol was hell on rats. Was the one with a pump, not co2. There must be something wrong with that woodsman. Mine is very accurate and the target model comes with the micro sights so you can really dial it in. The one I had was a nice gun and seemed reasonably accurate considering who was shooting it. I never tried to test and define it's accuracy. One thing I remember is that it was not recommended to use with modern, higher powered .22 rounds. Had to use target rounds or something like that. The later Woodsman models made after a date that I can't remember can use the higher charges. |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:21:29 -0600, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/18/2014 9:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:16:54 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: Yeah, after you mentioned it I looked on You Tube. That doesn't look like a lot of fun. Guess I'll bypass all the 'cowboy' SA revolvers and stick with what I've got, although I may consider a .22 DA revolver. I got a deal I couldn't refuse on my Colt Frontier scout (.22) but I pretty much just use it to shoot bird shot. It is pretty tough on rats out to 15 feet or so. I have a Colt Target Woodsman if I want to do any serious .22 pistol shooting. I had a "Pre-Woodsman" for a while. Made in 1922. My dad had a 1950's era woodsman. Worst shooting handgun he ever owned. Traded it for a Benjamin air pistol. You could bench rest that Woodsman and have a 5' pattern at 50'. The air pistol was hell on rats. Was the one with a pump, not co2. There must be something wrong with that woodsman. Mine is very accurate and the target model comes with the micro sights so you can really dial it in. Probably, but was easier to just trade the gun. My dad Owned a lot of weapons over the years. Most stolen when he went to the hospital for the big C. He was a machinist, so could have fixed it most likely. |
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On 12/19/2014 12:54 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:19:00 -0500, wrote: Where we live, inside might be the safest place for an AD. === If the round didn't hit anything vital, SWMBO certainly would. I once saw a video of coasties getting ready to board one of their small boats for a mission. It looked like each one of them would stop briefly at a device that looked like it might have been a pole mounted bullet trap, point their sidearm inside, and cycle the action. I guess its possible they were putting a round in the chamber and then decocking and/or activating the safety. Any idea? The Coast Guard station in Scituate Harbor has one of those. Just a large pipe about 12 inches in diameter in the ground at an angle and located just outside the door of the station building. Never saw them cycling their weapons before they went out on the boat but they did whenever they returned. I always assumed it was just a required safety check to ensure no rounds were in the chamber before going back into the building. |
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On Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:16:44 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:15:14 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Yeah, on a SA revolver, the cylinder does not flip out. There's a "port" on the right side of the pistol, typically, a little door that flips open and you turn the cylinder by hand to line up each chamber with the port. Then you push out the "empty" with a built in ejector rod that sits under the barrel. The modern variant of the DA revolver, with a flip-out cylinder, didn't come along until nearly the end of the 19th Century, long after the Wild West was tamed. Yeah, after you mentioned it I looked on You Tube. That doesn't look like a lot of fun. Guess I'll bypass all the 'cowboy' SA revolvers and stick with what I've got, although I may consider a .22 DA revolver. My Ruger Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk are like that. It's not really a big deal, when target shooting I'm not in that much of a hurry. I also save the brass, and one at a time is easier to deal with than a handfull at once.. On the positive side the frames are inherently stronger, so you can shoot maximum loads with no worries. With the right load, the 44 mag or 45 LC will really rock your world. :-) |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 23:47:16 -0600, Califbill
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:21:29 -0600, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/18/2014 9:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:16:54 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: Yeah, after you mentioned it I looked on You Tube. That doesn't look like a lot of fun. Guess I'll bypass all the 'cowboy' SA revolvers and stick with what I've got, although I may consider a .22 DA revolver. I got a deal I couldn't refuse on my Colt Frontier scout (.22) but I pretty much just use it to shoot bird shot. It is pretty tough on rats out to 15 feet or so. I have a Colt Target Woodsman if I want to do any serious .22 pistol shooting. I had a "Pre-Woodsman" for a while. Made in 1922. My dad had a 1950's era woodsman. Worst shooting handgun he ever owned. Traded it for a Benjamin air pistol. You could bench rest that Woodsman and have a 5' pattern at 50'. The air pistol was hell on rats. Was the one with a pump, not co2. There must be something wrong with that woodsman. Mine is very accurate and the target model comes with the micro sights so you can really dial it in. Probably, but was easier to just trade the gun. My dad Owned a lot of weapons over the years. Most stolen when he went to the hospital for the big C. He was a machinist, so could have fixed it most likely. As the subject has been revolvers, until Greg mentioned the Woodsman, I was thinking this was a revolver being discussed. After your post I went to gunbroker to see what this Woodsman was all about. Well I'll be...it's a semi-auto. And the damn things are not cheap either! |
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:54:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:19:00 -0500, wrote: Where we live, inside might be the safest place for an AD. === If the round didn't hit anything vital, SWMBO certainly would. I once saw a video of coasties getting ready to board one of their small boats for a mission. It looked like each one of them would stop briefly at a device that looked like it might have been a pole mounted bullet trap, point their sidearm inside, and cycle the action. I guess its possible they were putting a round in the chamber and then decocking and/or activating the safety. Any idea? We had those in Vietnam at the gates of some of the bases. It's a 'clearing' station. A place to point the weapon after dropping the magazine and ejecting a chambered round - then pulling the trigger while pointing the gun into the clearing station. Every so often someone would forget to eject the round in the chamber. The ensuing 'bang' would get everyone's attention - if nothing else just to see how red the guy's face would get. |
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Harry maybe that's part of my delima. Some of my ancestors liked rifles too! Lol!
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