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Another Mosin Nagant
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:06:11 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:46:39 AM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 10:47 AM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 4:42 AM, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1022306 Wrote: On 12/16/14 10:26 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:- The local range allows shooting of up to 7.62mm, so I'm in good shape there. When they come up for Christmas we'll have to pop some rounds. Anyone have some 7.62x54R ammo they want to get rid of - cheap? - Sort of interesting rifles, but the ones I've handled seemed pretty heavy. I like the 1898 "Swedish" Mausers...they're lighter, and a bit more elegant. But if I were seriously shopping for a "sporty" bolt action rifle, I might go for a Ruger "Scout Rifle" in .308. I don't know why you are too cheap to simply buy a pile of that ammo...it's less than 20 cents a round.- Thanks. I would have been horribly embarrassed if you'd expressed any sort of 'approval' of the rifle. Your's is always better, eh? - I don't have a bolt action rifle, JohnnyMop, so my bolt action rifle is hardly better than yours. As I said, I find the Mosins "sort of interesting....but pretty heavy." I know they are popular and have a huge following and owner/user base. -- Let's elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. Depends on your definition of heavy. Yes, it weighs in at 8.8 lbs and compared to the M1 Garrand which comes in at 9.5 lbs it is a relative lightweight. I love shooting my Mosin and I am happy with mine so far, just don't buy the Russian ammo as it is highly corrosive and the weapon needs to be cleaned every time you shoot the Russian stuff. Gotta admit the Russian ammo is a lot cheaper when compared to the American stuff. Lugging around and shooting a nearly 9 pound rifle is simply not something I enjoy, especially when standing and shooting. They're also considerably longer than the rifles I prefer. It's great we have so many choices. :) Girly man ;-) For the 25-200 yard shooting I do, I don't need to fuss with the equivalent of 30-caliber rounds. My favorite "stand and shoot" rifle is my 1892 Win carbine, about six pounds, and the .357 MAG rounds are loud enough and hit hard enough for me. Mines always been a .303 Lee-Enfield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Enfield This looks like it might be a decent deal. What do you think? Do I need an Enfield also? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...=458020462#PIC -- Here's hoping you have a very Merry Christmas, and a spectacular New Year! |
Another Mosin Nagant
On 12/18/2014 9:02 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:06:11 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:46:39 AM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 10:47 AM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 4:42 AM, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1022306 Wrote: On 12/16/14 10:26 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:- The local range allows shooting of up to 7.62mm, so I'm in good shape there. When they come up for Christmas we'll have to pop some rounds. Anyone have some 7.62x54R ammo they want to get rid of - cheap? - Sort of interesting rifles, but the ones I've handled seemed pretty heavy. I like the 1898 "Swedish" Mausers...they're lighter, and a bit more elegant. But if I were seriously shopping for a "sporty" bolt action rifle, I might go for a Ruger "Scout Rifle" in .308. I don't know why you are too cheap to simply buy a pile of that ammo...it's less than 20 cents a round.- Thanks. I would have been horribly embarrassed if you'd expressed any sort of 'approval' of the rifle. Your's is always better, eh? - I don't have a bolt action rifle, JohnnyMop, so my bolt action rifle is hardly better than yours. As I said, I find the Mosins "sort of interesting....but pretty heavy." I know they are popular and have a huge following and owner/user base. -- Let's elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. Depends on your definition of heavy. Yes, it weighs in at 8.8 lbs and compared to the M1 Garrand which comes in at 9.5 lbs it is a relative lightweight. I love shooting my Mosin and I am happy with mine so far, just don't buy the Russian ammo as it is highly corrosive and the weapon needs to be cleaned every time you shoot the Russian stuff. Gotta admit the Russian ammo is a lot cheaper when compared to the American stuff. Lugging around and shooting a nearly 9 pound rifle is simply not something I enjoy, especially when standing and shooting. They're also considerably longer than the rifles I prefer. It's great we have so many choices. :) Girly man ;-) For the 25-200 yard shooting I do, I don't need to fuss with the equivalent of 30-caliber rounds. My favorite "stand and shoot" rifle is my 1892 Win carbine, about six pounds, and the .357 MAG rounds are loud enough and hit hard enough for me. Mines always been a .303 Lee-Enfield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Enfield This looks like it might be a decent deal. What do you think? Do I need an Enfield also? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...=458020462#PIC What's that little wizzer inside the trigger guard? Please don't say it's a magazine release. Only Harry would fit a rifle with something like that. -- Patriotic Americans dump on Krause. |
Another Mosin Nagant
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:08:08 -0500, Let it snowe
wrote: On 12/18/2014 9:02 AM, Toad Gigger wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:06:11 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:46:39 AM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 10:47 AM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 4:42 AM, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1022306 Wrote: On 12/16/14 10:26 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:- The local range allows shooting of up to 7.62mm, so I'm in good shape there. When they come up for Christmas we'll have to pop some rounds. Anyone have some 7.62x54R ammo they want to get rid of - cheap? - Sort of interesting rifles, but the ones I've handled seemed pretty heavy. I like the 1898 "Swedish" Mausers...they're lighter, and a bit more elegant. But if I were seriously shopping for a "sporty" bolt action rifle, I might go for a Ruger "Scout Rifle" in .308. I don't know why you are too cheap to simply buy a pile of that ammo...it's less than 20 cents a round.- Thanks. I would have been horribly embarrassed if you'd expressed any sort of 'approval' of the rifle. Your's is always better, eh? - I don't have a bolt action rifle, JohnnyMop, so my bolt action rifle is hardly better than yours. As I said, I find the Mosins "sort of interesting....but pretty heavy." I know they are popular and have a huge following and owner/user base. -- Let's elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. Depends on your definition of heavy. Yes, it weighs in at 8.8 lbs and compared to the M1 Garrand which comes in at 9.5 lbs it is a relative lightweight. I love shooting my Mosin and I am happy with mine so far, just don't buy the Russian ammo as it is highly corrosive and the weapon needs to be cleaned every time you shoot the Russian stuff. Gotta admit the Russian ammo is a lot cheaper when compared to the American stuff. Lugging around and shooting a nearly 9 pound rifle is simply not something I enjoy, especially when standing and shooting. They're also considerably longer than the rifles I prefer. It's great we have so many choices. :) Girly man ;-) For the 25-200 yard shooting I do, I don't need to fuss with the equivalent of 30-caliber rounds. My favorite "stand and shoot" rifle is my 1892 Win carbine, about six pounds, and the .357 MAG rounds are loud enough and hit hard enough for me. Mines always been a .303 Lee-Enfield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Enfield This looks like it might be a decent deal. What do you think? Do I need an Enfield also? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...=458020462#PIC What's that little wizzer inside the trigger guard? Please don't say it's a magazine release. Only Harry would fit a rifle with something like that. Yup. Number 82: http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Images/Lo...rts%20list.jpg -- Here's hoping you have a very Merry Christmas, and a spectacular New Year! |
Another Mosin Nagant
John that's an interesting firearm. I know it was the last production of the lee Enfields "Mrk 4" and they were a good rifle, somebody has cut the stock to 'sporterize' it which I think is a sin, but.. I'm confused about the 'US Property. I didn't read the description but I'm wondering if it's been re chambered to 30-06. There were some wired shenanigans during ww2 with allied arms builders.
Speaking of the sport stock I'm thinking it may be a 'jungle carbine' without the flash suppressor. They weren't known for extreme accuracy past 250 yards. They took the standard SMLE and shortened the barrel causing it to have what was known as a 'floating zero'. If they'd changed the rifling it probably would have helped. It's nice looking but for $200.00 I'd pass. |
Another Mosin Nagant
On 12/18/14 12:24 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:27:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 12:14 PM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:46:35 -0500, Keyser Söze For the 25-200 yard shooting I do, I don't need to fuss with the equivalent of 30-caliber rounds. My favorite "stand and shoot" rifle is my 1892 Win carbine, about six pounds, and the .357 MAG rounds are loud enough and hit hard enough for me. 6 pounds is heavy for a pistol round so it should be like shooting a BB gun. I actually looked at a .357 carbine many years ago but I couldn't figure out what I would do with it. Other than being able to share ammo with my pistols, it had little to recommend it. I ended up with the .44 mag but that is still pretty wimpy for a rifle. You're projecting your criteria onto me. I really like my carbine for many reasons, including the .357 MAG rounds. It's lots of fun for the sort of target shooting I like. Remember, I don't shoot critters. Ever. For the kind of shooting you do, a .38 round might be a better option than the .357 but I doubt they are much cheaper. Ordinary .357 MAG ammo from a major manufacturer is 4 to 6 cents a round more expensive than similar .38 SPECIAL ammo. I'm not sure why the .38 SPECIAL round would be a better option, since I like shooting the .357 MAGs. |
Another Mosin Nagant
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:04:06 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: John that's an interesting firearm. I know it was the last production of the lee Enfields "Mrk 4" and they were a good rifle, somebody has cut the stock to 'sporterize' it which I think is a sin, but.. I'm confused about the 'US Property. I didn't read the description but I'm wondering if it's been re chambered to 30-06. There were some wired shenanigans during ww2 with allied arms builders. Speaking of the sport stock I'm thinking it may be a 'jungle carbine' without the flash suppressor. They weren't known for extreme accuracy past 250 yards. They took the standard SMLE and shortened the barrel causing it to have what was known as a 'floating zero'. If they'd changed the rifling it probably would have helped. It's nice looking but for $200.00 I'd pass. I wouldn't know a good Enfield buy if it bit me in the butt. I knew you'd be up to speed on them. I'm continuously amazed at how much knowledge you've accumulated about rifles - especially being a preacher and all! -- Here's hoping you have a very Merry Christmas, and a spectacular New Year! |
Another Mosin Nagant
On 12/18/2014 10:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/18/14 12:24 AM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:27:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 12:14 PM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:46:35 -0500, Keyser Söze For the 25-200 yard shooting I do, I don't need to fuss with the equivalent of 30-caliber rounds. My favorite "stand and shoot" rifle is my 1892 Win carbine, about six pounds, and the .357 MAG rounds are loud enough and hit hard enough for me. 6 pounds is heavy for a pistol round so it should be like shooting a BB gun. I actually looked at a .357 carbine many years ago but I couldn't figure out what I would do with it. Other than being able to share ammo with my pistols, it had little to recommend it. I ended up with the .44 mag but that is still pretty wimpy for a rifle. You're projecting your criteria onto me. I really like my carbine for many reasons, including the .357 MAG rounds. It's lots of fun for the sort of target shooting I like. Remember, I don't shoot critters. Ever. For the kind of shooting you do, a .38 round might be a better option than the .357 but I doubt they are much cheaper. Ordinary .357 MAG ammo from a major manufacturer is 4 to 6 cents a round more expensive than similar .38 SPECIAL ammo. I'm not sure why the .38 SPECIAL round would be a better option, since I like shooting the .357 MAGs. Around my parts .38 Special ammo was considerably less expensive and more available than .357. That may have changed in the past few months though because I haven't bought any for a while. |
Another Mosin Nagant
Richard. 38sp is being classified as an obsolete cartridge because of its less popularity compared to the .357.
Same goes for .44 Smith. The .44 mag overtook it years ago. I'm not sure you can buy a new gun chambered in .44 Smith only anymore. ..22lr is way popular. 22 short has little demand. I haven't seen .22L in about 30 years. Demand dictates the price. |
Another Mosin Nagant
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:40:25 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:37:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/18/14 12:33 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:15:06 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:04:06 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: John that's an interesting firearm. I know it was the last production of the lee Enfields "Mrk 4" and they were a good rifle, somebody has cut the stock to 'sporterize' it which I think is a sin, but.. I'm confused about the 'US Property. I didn't read the description but I'm wondering if it's been re chambered to 30-06. There were some wired shenanigans during ww2 with allied arms builders. Speaking of the sport stock I'm thinking it may be a 'jungle carbine' without the flash suppressor. They weren't known for extreme accuracy past 250 yards. They took the standard SMLE and shortened the barrel causing it to have what was known as a 'floating zero'. If they'd changed the rifling it probably would have helped. It's nice looking but for $200.00 I'd pass. I wouldn't know a good Enfield buy if it bit me in the butt. I knew you'd be up to speed on them. I'm continuously amazed at how much knowledge you've accumulated about rifles - especially being a preacher and all! Ye Olde Hunter had the original "uncircumcised" SMLE for about $15-20 in the 60s. Sporterizing the stock was a very popular option but I was afraid the 303 ammo might be hard to come by if the UK went over to the NATO 7.62. It turns out that was somewhat unfounded. YOH did sell a lot of rifles with obsolete ammo requirements tho. They had barrels full of old bolt action military rifles sitting around for as little as $5 but you had to know more than I did to get a deal. Was YOH the joint on the waterfront in Oldtown Alexandria? I seem to remember a couple of funky gun stores down there that specialized in old military arms. Yup, it was the retail outlet for Interarmco, an international arms merchant. If you knew what you were looking at, there were some bargains there but the counter staff was not a lot of help and they really treated it all as just surplus stuff with little regard to what was good and what wasn't. I got my OM Colt there for about $40 and the same with my 1934 Beretta. Because of the factory nickel and the army markings, I have heard the 34 probably belonged to some Italian big shot. Never fired and only dropped once, sort of thing. The biggest private arms dealer in the world was in Alexandria, VA. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...gs&redirect=no At one point, in the 70's, the place had several old artillery and anti-aircraft pieces in the front of the warehouse. Inside was like an overcrowded museum - weapons everywhere. Looking around was fun, but I didn't even think to buy something like an M1 or whatever. Of course, I was broke most of the time anyway. |
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