On 12/5/14 1:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:55:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Okay, I'll play...for the moment...until you revert back.

Labor unions exist to protect and improve the wages, hours, working
conditions, and medical coverage and retirement options of their
members. They also represent their members in grievances with employers.

If by "bad cops" et cetera, you are referring to union members accused
of serious crimes related to their jobs, then, yes, most unions will
support their members by providing and paying for the services of a
good-quality lawyer to mount a defense on the members' behalf. Doing so
ensures the member has the benefit of due process.

My "side" on this is that it is an important and proper benefit of union
membership.

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Rightly or wrongly there is a widespread public perception that unions
protect incompetent members.


Weeding out bad cops is the job of police management, not police unions.
The union is there to ensure due process and to make sure management is
not arbitrary and capricious, as it often is.


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I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

On 12/5/2014 1:47 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/5/14 1:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:55:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Okay, I'll play...for the moment...until you revert back.

Labor unions exist to protect and improve the wages, hours, working
conditions, and medical coverage and retirement options of their
members. They also represent their members in grievances with employers.

If by "bad cops" et cetera, you are referring to union members accused
of serious crimes related to their jobs, then, yes, most unions will
support their members by providing and paying for the services of a
good-quality lawyer to mount a defense on the members' behalf. Doing so
ensures the member has the benefit of due process.

My "side" on this is that it is an important and proper benefit of union
membership.

===

Rightly or wrongly there is a widespread public perception that unions
protect incompetent members.


Weeding out bad cops is the job of police management, not police unions.
The union is there to ensure due process and to make sure management is
not arbitrary and capricious, as it often is.




Are you saying that in a case of a cop being terminated by management
(but wishes to fight it) the union's role is to verify the
justification for termination and, if valid, that's the end of it?

On 12/5/14 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/5/2014 1:47 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/5/14 1:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:55:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Okay, I'll play...for the moment...until you revert back.

Labor unions exist to protect and improve the wages, hours, working
conditions, and medical coverage and retirement options of their
members. They also represent their members in grievances with
employers.

If by "bad cops" et cetera, you are referring to union members accused
of serious crimes related to their jobs, then, yes, most unions will
support their members by providing and paying for the services of a
good-quality lawyer to mount a defense on the members' behalf. Doing so
ensures the member has the benefit of due process.

My "side" on this is that it is an important and proper benefit of
union
membership.

===

Rightly or wrongly there is a widespread public perception that unions
protect incompetent members.


Weeding out bad cops is the job of police management, not police unions.
The union is there to ensure due process and to make sure management is
not arbitrary and capricious, as it often is.




Are you saying that in a case of a cop being terminated by management
(but wishes to fight it) the union's role is to verify the
justification for termination and, if valid, that's the end of it?



The union usually files a grievance in those circumstances and fights
the dismissal. Management has to prove justification. Sometimes the
cases go to arbitration. There's no hard and fast rule, but it is the
union's job to represent its members.


--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.