Anyone used a
 

Laser light trainer with target?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NKY23E/...I1Z7VUJTODKCK0

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004GFDTNA/...=ILB3M90REH2TV
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

Anyone used a
 

On Monday, November 24, 2014 6:36:41 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
Laser light trainer with target?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NKY23E/...I1Z7VUJTODKCK0

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004GFDTNA/...=ILB3M90REH2TV
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

I have a ****....but WONT give it.

Anyone used a
 

Ive never used a laser light for anything. Well I've pestered the wife's cat with one.

$90 bucks for that thing?? I can't justify it . $9 maybe ...

Anyone used a
 

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:18:56 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Ive never used a laser light for anything. Well I've pestered the wife's cat with one.

$90 bucks for that thing?? I can't justify it . $9 maybe ...

Hey, it's Christmas. My rich kids would buy it, maybe.

Anyone used a
 

On 11/24/2014 5:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
Laser light trainer with target?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NKY23E/...I1Z7VUJTODKCK0

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004GFDTNA/...=ILB3M90REH2TV
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)


Yes I have one.
I'm very disappointed with the quality of the cartridge. The switch is
not consistent. I sent my first one back , the second one is no better.
A year or year and a half ago, I searched for others with my
complaint, I didn't find much negative. I have a .380acp, maybe
different sizes work better?
I'd buy the cheapest target I could find and then buy the cartridge
from someone local, so you can return it for a working unit if needed.
In my experience, you will need to return it for a working unit.
Mikek

Anyone used a
 

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:36:41 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Laser light trainer with target?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NKY23E/...I1Z7VUJTODKCK0

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004GFDTNA/...=ILB3M90REH2TV

===

I've never used one but I can see a lot of advantages, cost not
withstanding, and assuming it's reliable.

1. You save the cost of ammunition.

2. You can practice in your home or backyard.

3. No need to clean the gun.

4. No need to wear ear protection.

5. Minimal wear and tear on the gun.

6. No safety issues if drawing from a holster.

Anyone used a
 

On 11/24/2014 10:18 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/24/2014 5:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
Laser light trainer with target?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NKY23E/...I1Z7VUJTODKCK0


http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004GFDTNA/...=ILB3M90REH2TV

--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)


Yes I have one.
I'm very disappointed with the quality of the cartridge. The switch is
not consistent. I sent my first one back , the second one is no better.
A year or year and a half ago, I searched for others with my
complaint, I didn't find much negative. I have a .380acp, maybe
different sizes work better?
I'd buy the cheapest target I could find and then buy the cartridge
from someone local, so you can return it for a working unit if needed.
In my experience, you will need to return it for a working unit.
Mikek


The side of the cartridge barrel looks like it has some adjustment
screws or something in it. Are those for aligning the laser beam?
If so, it seems like it might be difficult to determine what is off ...
the sights of the gun or the alignment of the laser.

Anyone used a
 

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:18:07 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 11/24/2014 5:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
Laser light trainer with target?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NKY23E/...I1Z7VUJTODKCK0

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004GFDTNA/...=ILB3M90REH2TV
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)


Yes I have one.
I'm very disappointed with the quality of the cartridge. The switch is
not consistent. I sent my first one back , the second one is no better.
A year or year and a half ago, I searched for others with my
complaint, I didn't find much negative. I have a .380acp, maybe
different sizes work better?
I'd buy the cheapest target I could find and then buy the cartridge
from someone local, so you can return it for a working unit if needed.
In my experience, you will need to return it for a working unit.
Mikek

Thanks for the tip. It's a shame LLBean doesn't sell it. Maybe Dicks
carries it. I'll check.

I just read about a hundred reviews. Too many bad ones. It's coming
off the list. Will try something else.

Anyone used a
 

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:50:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:36:41 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Laser light trainer with target?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NKY23E/...I1Z7VUJTODKCK0

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004GFDTNA/...=ILB3M90REH2TV

===

I've never used one but I can see a lot of advantages, cost not
withstanding, and assuming it's reliable.

1. You save the cost of ammunition.

2. You can practice in your home or backyard.

3. No need to clean the gun.

4. No need to wear ear protection.

5. Minimal wear and tear on the gun.

6. No safety issues if drawing from a holster.

It looks like it would be a super idea, but too many reviews say it's
crap. My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

Anyone used a
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

Anyone used a
 

On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a
foot at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun
sight to the laser?

Anyone used a
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:06:22 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.

Yeah, realized that a bit earlier. I've got one of the regulars. Just
have to mount it and use it.

Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.

Thanks.

Anyone used a
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

Anyone used a
 

On 11/25/2014 2:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:28:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a
foot at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun
sight to the laser?


Obviously you adjust the laser to the sight on the gun, which should
by adjusted to the line of fire.
These "bullet" style are going to be far from a precision thing and
really just for short range training. It is like the "bore sight"
lasers. They just get you on the paper.



Yeah, that's sorta what I figured. You'd have to put the cartridge in
the chamber and then adjust the laser so there's little or no run-out
of the spot when you rotate the cartridge in the chamber.

That is, assuming the laser is adjustable. It looks like it is, but I
am not sure.

Anyone used a
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:23:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:28:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a
foot at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun
sight to the laser?


Obviously you adjust the laser to the sight on the gun, which should
by adjusted to the line of fire.
These "bullet" style are going to be far from a precision thing and
really just for short range training. It is like the "bore sight"
lasers. They just get you on the paper.



Yeah, that's sorta what I figured. You'd have to put the cartridge in
the chamber and then adjust the laser so there's little or no run-out
of the spot when you rotate the cartridge in the chamber.

That is, assuming the laser is adjustable. It looks like it is, but I
am not sure.


It is.

Anyone used a
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a foot
at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun sight to the laser?

I old expect it aligned well with the cartridge. Especially if they mount
the emitter near the back and have a long small hole for exit.

Anyone used a
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:37:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

===

If Toad could monetize bull**** he'd be a gazillionaire.

Anyone used a
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:38:40 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 4:29 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:37:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

===

If Toad could monetize bull**** he'd be a gazillionaire.


Probably not as lucrative as a retired bankster running guns and drugs
in the Carib, though, right W'hine?

I'm surprised Luddite, who's been on an 'honesty' string lately,
hasn't called you on that bit of bull****.

Anyone used a
 

On 11/25/2014 4:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:38:40 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 4:29 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:37:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

===

If Toad could monetize bull**** he'd be a gazillionaire.


Probably not as lucrative as a retired bankster running guns and drugs
in the Carib, though, right W'hine?

I'm surprised Luddite, who's been on an 'honesty' string lately,
hasn't called you on that bit of bull****.


Harry is probably his main character, don't want to **** with the cash
cow....

Anyone used a
 

On 11/25/2014 2:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a
foot at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun
sight to the laser?


If you take a 4 inch barrel and a known caliber, you should be able to
calculate how far off the laser could be and still be able to project
onto a target 25 feet away without being blocked by the barrel. I doubt
it could be off by a foot at 25 feet..

Anyone used a
 

On 11/25/2014 4:38 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/25/14 4:29 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:37:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

===

If Toad could monetize bull**** he'd be a gazillionaire.


Probably not as lucrative as a retired bankster running guns and drugs
in the Carib, though, right W'hine?

Shouldn't you have used a period instead of a comma, after "though".

Anyone used a
 

Anyone used a
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/25/14 7:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:05:09 -0500, Harrold wrote:


If you take a 4 inch barrel and a known caliber, you should be able to
calculate how far off the laser could be and still be able to project
onto a target 25 feet away without being blocked by the barrel. I doubt
it could be off by a foot at 25 feet..

it is 13.3875" for a .38/9mm (.357"/2 x75) give or take a land or
groove at the muzzle.


I've got a scope on my AR15/22 and it took me about a dozen shots to set
it up for 50 yards and then just a shot or two for 100 yards. I found it
trickier to sight in a scope than a red dot. Amazingly (well, I think it
is...), with the red dot I put on my Win '92, I was only an inch off at
50 yards with my first two shots. I'm shooting under 2" groups with my
HBAR AR on a bag at 100 yards and I think I can do better. I use my cheap
"tricked up" reader eyeglasses with my Ruger revolver and do pretty good
with it at up to 25 yards with the stock "iron" sights. I've used up all
my .38 Special rounds now, and won't be buying any more. Strictly .357
MAG for the revolver and the Win .92 from now on.




A red dot is only for fast target acquisition. So a lot easier to get on
paper.

Anyone used a
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:39:50 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:05:09 -0500, Harrold wrote:


If you take a 4 inch barrel and a known caliber, you should be able to
calculate how far off the laser could be and still be able to project
onto a target 25 feet away without being blocked by the barrel. I doubt
it could be off by a foot at 25 feet..

it is 13.3875" for a .38/9mm (.357"/2 x75) give or take a land or
groove at the muzzle.

Did you use 4" or 4" minus the length of the laser holder.

:)

Anyone used a
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:47:26 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:58:18 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 7:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:05:09 -0500, Harrold wrote:


If you take a 4 inch barrel and a known caliber, you should be able to
calculate how far off the laser could be and still be able to project
onto a target 25 feet away without being blocked by the barrel. I doubt
it could be off by a foot at 25 feet..

it is 13.3875" for a .38/9mm (.357"/2 x75) give or take a land or
groove at the muzzle.


I've got a scope on my AR15/22 and it took me about a dozen shots to set
it up for 50 yards and then just a shot or two for 100 yards. I found it
trickier to sight in a scope than a red dot. Amazingly (well, I think it
is...), with the red dot I put on my Win '92, I was only an inch off at
50 yards with my first two shots. I'm shooting under 2" groups with my
HBAR AR on a bag at 100 yards and I think I can do better. I use my
cheap "tricked up" reader eyeglasses with my Ruger revolver and do
pretty good with it at up to 25 yards with the stock "iron" sights. I've
used up all my .38 Special rounds now, and won't be buying any more.
Strictly .357 MAG for the revolver and the Win .92 from now on.

I had a laser on my .45 and I took it off. It was more of a
distraction than a help.

I've seen a few lasers almost being used at the range. It's indoors,
so they're very easy to spot. The scenario has always been the same:
The laser hits the target, bounces all around and then goes out, never
to return. I think the user just gets embarrassed at how much movement
is showing up with the laser.