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Yo Tim! Good deal...
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:48:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/31/2014 2:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:27:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/31/2014 12:12 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:05:10 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:07:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Not bad for the whole deal John. I'll ask my brother about where he got his and see if it came with the whole kit. Pricing too I have a son-in-law who loves guns. Might make him a nice Christmas present. Dick would make it illegal for you to give it to him. Not at all. If John's son-in-law has had a background check, is legally permitted to own a firearm and the serial number is registered in his name upon transfer... all is good. He could not just "give it to him" then could he? In a universal background state he would essentially have to go to a FFL and "sell" it to him after paying a commission to the FFL for handling the paperwork. Then he would have to jump through whatever hoops the state has to register it. (after John had originally registered it when he bought it) All of this with no actual demonstrated benefit. Yes. Ridiculous. |
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#3
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Yo Tim! Good deal...
On 10/31/2014 2:59 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:48:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/31/2014 2:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:27:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/31/2014 12:12 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:05:10 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:07:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Not bad for the whole deal John. I'll ask my brother about where he got his and see if it came with the whole kit. Pricing too I have a son-in-law who loves guns. Might make him a nice Christmas present. Dick would make it illegal for you to give it to him. Not at all. If John's son-in-law has had a background check, is legally permitted to own a firearm and the serial number is registered in his name upon transfer... all is good. He could not just "give it to him" then could he? In a universal background state he would essentially have to go to a FFL and "sell" it to him after paying a commission to the FFL for handling the paperwork. Then he would have to jump through whatever hoops the state has to register it. (after John had originally registered it when he bought it) All of this with no actual demonstrated benefit. Yes. Ridiculous. Ridiculous to you now John, but most likely a law coming to your neighborhood in the not too distant future. That's exactly part of the law in Massachusetts and has been since 1998. I believe it's now part of gun laws (or a very similar version of) in Maryland, Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and in several other states that previously had much more "relaxed" gun laws. The concept is to prevent guns from being sold to people who are prohibited from owning one. Yes, I know, criminals will still have access to guns and people who pass background checks can still go off their rocker. But at least it creates a traceable paper trail of ownership. |
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#4
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Yo Tim! Good deal...
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:20:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/31/2014 2:59 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:48:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/31/2014 2:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:27:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/31/2014 12:12 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:05:10 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:07:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Not bad for the whole deal John. I'll ask my brother about where he got his and see if it came with the whole kit. Pricing too I have a son-in-law who loves guns. Might make him a nice Christmas present. Dick would make it illegal for you to give it to him. Not at all. If John's son-in-law has had a background check, is legally permitted to own a firearm and the serial number is registered in his name upon transfer... all is good. He could not just "give it to him" then could he? In a universal background state he would essentially have to go to a FFL and "sell" it to him after paying a commission to the FFL for handling the paperwork. Then he would have to jump through whatever hoops the state has to register it. (after John had originally registered it when he bought it) All of this with no actual demonstrated benefit. Yes. Ridiculous. Ridiculous to you now John, but most likely a law coming to your neighborhood in the not too distant future. Maybe. And that's why folks keep pushing against more gun control. 'Cause the liberals will keep adding more and more 'controls' until the Bloombergs and jps's have accomplished their aim. Or do you envision a stopping point? That's exactly part of the law in Massachusetts and has been since 1998. I believe it's now part of gun laws (or a very similar version of) in Maryland, Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and in several other states that previously had much more "relaxed" gun laws. The concept is to prevent guns from being sold to people who are prohibited from owning one. Yes, I know, criminals will still have access to guns and people who pass background checks can still go off their rocker. But at least it creates a traceable paper trail of ownership. |
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#5
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Yo Tim! Good deal...
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#6
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Yo Tim! Good deal...
On 10/31/2014 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:06:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/31/2014 3:56 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:20:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Yes, I know, criminals will still have access to guns and people who pass background checks can still go off their rocker. But at least it creates a traceable paper trail of ownership. And those people won't still be dead? add "and potential liability" to my last sentence. What liability? These "nutty" guys usually shoot themselves when it is all over and the criminals end up in jail for the rest of their life. Not much to sue for there.. I guess it depends on where you live. Here, if you made that firearm easily available by neglect, you can be found partially liable. The laws I mentioned before covering locks and safes apply. Yes, I know locks can be removed. Safes can be broken into. That's not the point. The point is that if you took reasonable action in accordance with the scope of the law, to secure your firearms, you won't be liable. If you leave it out, unlocked and someone steals it, you may find yourself in court. |
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#7
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Yo Tim! Good deal...
On 10/31/2014 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:48:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/31/2014 2:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:27:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/31/2014 12:12 PM, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:05:10 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:07:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Not bad for the whole deal John. I'll ask my brother about where he got his and see if it came with the whole kit. Pricing too I have a son-in-law who loves guns. Might make him a nice Christmas present. Dick would make it illegal for you to give it to him. Not at all. If John's son-in-law has had a background check, is legally permitted to own a firearm and the serial number is registered in his name upon transfer... all is good. He could not just "give it to him" then could he? In a universal background state he would essentially have to go to a FFL and "sell" it to him after paying a commission to the FFL for handling the paperwork. Then he would have to jump through whatever hoops the state has to register it. (after John had originally registered it when he bought it) All of this with no actual demonstrated benefit. Yes. Again you admit this is needless bureaucracy with no benefit. No. |
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