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On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. I grew up in a machine shop environment. At 10 years old, I was a good machinist. Look at what the kids build out of blocks, etc, and you see they have the dexterity to handle tools. And does not take a lot of smarts to use an angle grinder. |
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On 11/4/2014 12:07 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. I grew up in a machine shop environment. At 10 years old, I was a good machinist. Look at what the kids build out of blocks, etc, and you see they have the dexterity to handle tools. And does not take a lot of smarts to use an angle grinder. Nope but I watched a 35 year old guy slice his stomach open with one. |
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On 11/4/2014 10:26 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I find nothing wrong with that Bar. You are obviously a responsible gun owner. I'll bet that even when they were 14 or 15 their access to that rifle was carefully monitored and any use of it was supervised. |
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BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. My dad was a hunter, I do not really remember guns not being around. But it was impressed on us they were not toys. My cap guns were toys. Dads were not. |
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. |
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On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. |
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On 11/4/14 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. Conservatives have used the same excuses to fight the end of slavery, the end of child labor, to fight against giving women the vote, to fight against the passage of the civil rights act. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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