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F*O*A*D October 27th 14 01:25 PM

How...
 
....Fox News ramps up its "watchers"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jxEy6TWLNI

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A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

Mr. Luddite October 27th 14 02:06 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):


--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.


Let's see what the actual GOP Platform says about these, shall we?
The first two in your laundry list:

Social Security

"While no changes should adversely affect any current or near-retiree,
comprehensive reform should address our society's remarkable medical
advances in longevity and allow younger workers the option of creating
their own personal investment accounts as *supplements to the system*
(emphasis mine). Younger Americans have lost all faith in the Social
Security system, which is understandable when they read the non-
partisan actuary's reports about its future funding status. Born in an
old industrial era beyond the memory of most Americans, it is long
overdue for major change, not just another legislative stopgap that
postpones a day of reckoning. To restore public trust in the system,
Republicans are committed to setting it on a sound fiscal basis that
will give workers control over, and a sound return on, their
investments. The sooner we act, the sooner those close to retirement can
be reassured of their benefits and younger workers can take
responsibility for planning their own retirement decades from now."

Source: 2012 Republican Party Platform , Aug 27, 2012


Medicare

"Give older Americans access to the insurance plan Congress has,
including medical savings accounts. Build on the strengths of the free
market system, offer seniors real choices, and make sure there are
incentives for the private sector to develop drugs. No more
one-size-fits-all. Medicare also needs new measures of solvency. We must
reduce the administrative complexities. A reformed Medicare program will
provide reimbursement at levels that will permit providers to continue
to care for patients."

Source: Republican Platform adopted at GOP National Convention , Aug 12,
2000


So, you see, the GOP is not *against* Social Security and/or Medicare.
They recognize that both programs are dated, heading for insolvency and
something must be done to continue the best in retirement security and
medical care. Sounds sorta "progressive" to me.

More when I feel like looking them up .............




F*O*A*D October 27th 14 02:21 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.


--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

Mr. Luddite October 27th 14 02:29 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer legs?



F*O*A*D October 27th 14 02:56 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than mine.

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

Mr. Luddite October 27th 14 03:46 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 10:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than mine.



I'll bet a $900 rifle scope on it. :-)



F*O*A*D October 27th 14 03:55 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 11:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.



I'll bet a $900 rifle scope on it. :-)




I'll have you know that my 100 year old grandmother in law, a prim and
proper Southern Baptist lady, said I had "nice legs" when she first saw
me in Bermuda shorts.

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

F*O*A*D October 27th 14 03:56 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:06:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):


Don't confuse Harry with facts. He can't assimilate them.

He is "Factose Intolerant"


Indeed I don't buy into your right-wing bull**** and I never will.
Have nice day.

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

F*O*A*D October 27th 14 03:58 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:56:45 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than mine.


I am sure Harry is quite the looker in a mini skirt and "**** me"
pumps.


Ooooh...you've descended down to where the rest of the conservatrash
lives... How impressive.

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

Califbill October 27th 14 04:19 PM

Positions
 
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:06:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):


Don't confuse Harry with facts. He can't assimilate them.

He is "Factose Intolerant"


Very good.

Mr. Luddite October 27th 14 04:22 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 11:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 11:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.



I'll bet a $900 rifle scope on it. :-)




I'll have you know that my 100 year old grandmother in law, a prim and
proper Southern Baptist lady, said I had "nice legs" when she first saw
me in Bermuda shorts.


100 year olds aren't choosy.



F*O*A*D October 27th 14 04:35 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 11:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 11:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you
say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present
ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.



I'll bet a $900 rifle scope on it. :-)




I'll have you know that my 100 year old grandmother in law, a prim and
proper Southern Baptist lady, said I had "nice legs" when she first saw
me in Bermuda shorts.


100 year olds aren't choosy.



You're hurting my feelings! I had this delusion of being the Designated
Hunkie for Old Biddies. :)

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

Mr. Luddite October 27th 14 04:56 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 12:35 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/27/14 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


On 10/27/2014 11:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:


I'll have you know that my 100 year old grandmother in law, a prim and
proper Southern Baptist lady, said I had "nice legs" when she first saw
me in Bermuda shorts.


100 year olds aren't choosy.



You're hurting my feelings! I had this delusion of being the Designated
Hunkie for Old Biddies. :)



My father was a very tall and distinguished looking guy. My wife's 90
something year old Italian grandmother (who immigrated to the USA just
prior to WWII) used to swoon all over him when they met at any family
gatherings. She'd clasp her hands together in classic Italian style and
start babbling away in Italian while fluttering her eyelids at him.

I remember asking my wife's father and mother (who both spoke Italian)
what she was saying.

They always answered, "Never mind, you don't want to know".



F*O*A*D October 27th 14 05:05 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 12:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 12:35 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/27/14 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


On 10/27/2014 11:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:


I'll have you know that my 100 year old grandmother in law, a prim and
proper Southern Baptist lady, said I had "nice legs" when she first saw
me in Bermuda shorts.


100 year olds aren't choosy.



You're hurting my feelings! I had this delusion of being the Designated
Hunkie for Old Biddies. :)



My father was a very tall and distinguished looking guy. My wife's 90
something year old Italian grandmother (who immigrated to the USA just
prior to WWII) used to swoon all over him when they met at any family
gatherings. She'd clasp her hands together in classic Italian style and
start babbling away in Italian while fluttering her eyelids at him.

I remember asking my wife's father and mother (who both spoke Italian)
what she was saying.

They always answered, "Never mind, you don't want to know".



Ahh. Delightful. Maybe I'll get invited to pose for "Ancient Hottie
Monthly." :) Title works for me and hopefully my female admirers.


--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

Harrold October 27th 14 05:08 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 11:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 11:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.



I'll bet a $900 rifle scope on it. :-)




I'll have you know that my 100 year old grandmother in law, a prim and
proper Southern Baptist lady, said I had "nice legs" when she first saw
me in Bermuda shorts.


Is she one of those blind Linotype operators?

Harrold October 27th 14 05:10 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 11:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 11:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you
say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present
ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.



I'll bet a $900 rifle scope on it. :-)




I'll have you know that my 100 year old grandmother in law, a prim and
proper Southern Baptist lady, said I had "nice legs" when she first saw
me in Bermuda shorts.


100 year olds aren't choosy.



Krause has been banned from family reunions and gatherings. Doncha just
love it?

amdx[_3_] October 27th 14 05:16 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 9:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than mine.


Yes, let's talk about legs rather than the topic because you can't
defend your position. But that's just more of the usual.
Mikek

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F*O*A*D October 27th 14 05:47 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 1:16 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.


Yes, let's talk about legs rather than the topic because you can't
defend your position. But that's just more of the usual.
Mikek

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protection is active.
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What is the point of debating "positions" with a guy who believes Jimmy
Carter was president in 1984?

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

amdx[_3_] October 27th 14 06:21 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 12:47 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 1:16 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.


Yes, let's talk about legs rather than the topic because you can't
defend your position. But that's just more of the usual.
Mikek

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protection is active.
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What is the point of debating "positions" with a guy who believes Jimmy
Carter was president in 1984?

Nice job, you found I made an error.
I tied the high interest rates of the Carter years to when I got my
first house. When Carter became president in Jan of 1977 the prime rate
was 6.5%, when he was not reelected in 1981 the prime rate was 20.5%,
with the rate having peaked at 21.5% just a month earlier. Reagan's
policies brought it down to 10.5% before he left office.
So the rates were high from Carters ineffective policies, but he was
out of office when I bought my home.
I also got laid off, because of Carters high interest rates. The
company I worked for borrowed money at Prime plus 2%, the high rates
became to costly and they had to cut back.
By 1986 Reagan's economy had me making more money than I ever did, or
have since, inflation adjusted.
But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.

Mikek




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F*O*A*D October 27th 14 06:24 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 2:21 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 12:47 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 1:16 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you
say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present
ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.


Yes, let's talk about legs rather than the topic because you can't
defend your position. But that's just more of the usual.
Mikek

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protection is active.
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What is the point of debating "positions" with a guy who believes Jimmy
Carter was president in 1984?

Nice job, you found I made an error.
I tied the high interest rates of the Carter years to when I got my
first house. When Carter became president in Jan of 1977 the prime rate
was 6.5%, when he was not reelected in 1981 the prime rate was 20.5%,
with the rate having peaked at 21.5% just a month earlier. Reagan's
policies brought it down to 10.5% before he left office.
So the rates were high from Carters ineffective policies, but he was
out of office when I bought my home.
I also got laid off, because of Carters high interest rates. The
company I worked for borrowed money at Prime plus 2%, the high rates
became to costly and they had to cut back.
By 1986 Reagan's economy had me making more money than I ever did, or
have since, inflation adjusted.
But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.

Mikek



Sure, Mikey, whatever you say. Perhaps you need a new set of pedals.


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amdx[_3_] October 27th 14 07:08 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 1:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 2:21 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 12:47 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 1:16 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you
say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present
ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has
nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.


Yes, let's talk about legs rather than the topic because you can't
defend your position. But that's just more of the usual.
Mikek

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What is the point of debating "positions" with a guy who believes Jimmy
Carter was president in 1984?

Nice job, you found I made an error.
I tied the high interest rates of the Carter years to when I got my
first house. When Carter became president in Jan of 1977 the prime rate
was 6.5%, when he was not reelected in 1981 the prime rate was 20.5%,
with the rate having peaked at 21.5% just a month earlier. Reagan's
policies brought it down to 10.5% before he left office.
So the rates were high from Carters ineffective policies, but he was
out of office when I bought my home.
I also got laid off, because of Carters high interest rates. The
company I worked for borrowed money at Prime plus 2%, the high rates
became to costly and they had to cut back.
By 1986 Reagan's economy had me making more money than I ever did, or
have since, inflation adjusted.
But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.

Mikek



Sure, Mikey, whatever you say. Perhaps you need a new set of pedals.


I have been shopping for a bike, but, "there you go again",
changing the subject.
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Mr. Luddite October 27th 14 08:21 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 2:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 2:21 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 12:47 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 1:16 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you
say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present
ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has
nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.


Yes, let's talk about legs rather than the topic because you can't
defend your position. But that's just more of the usual.
Mikek

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protection is active.
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What is the point of debating "positions" with a guy who believes Jimmy
Carter was president in 1984?

Nice job, you found I made an error.
I tied the high interest rates of the Carter years to when I got my
first house. When Carter became president in Jan of 1977 the prime rate
was 6.5%, when he was not reelected in 1981 the prime rate was 20.5%,
with the rate having peaked at 21.5% just a month earlier. Reagan's
policies brought it down to 10.5% before he left office.
So the rates were high from Carters ineffective policies, but he was
out of office when I bought my home.
I also got laid off, because of Carters high interest rates. The
company I worked for borrowed money at Prime plus 2%, the high rates
became to costly and they had to cut back.
By 1986 Reagan's economy had me making more money than I ever did, or
have since, inflation adjusted.
But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.

Mikek



Sure, Mikey, whatever you say. Perhaps you need a new set of pedals.




We bought our first house in 1978 not long after leaving the Navy. I've
forgotten the interest rate on the loan but I know it was very high
compared to today's rates. The house was basically a winterized cottage
because it was all we could afford at the time. Paid $28K for it. :-)

In 1983 we bought our second home due to a growing family. I used the
GI bill to get a VA guarantied loan. IIRC, the interest rate was 12.5
percent with 2 "points". I remember it was slightly lower than the
going rates at the time because 12.5 percent was the most the VA would
approve and guarantee. Seems ridiculous now.





Wayne.B October 27th 14 08:42 PM

Positions
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:21:13 -0500, amdx wrote:

But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.


===

Debating Harry is like arguing with a woman.

Wayne.B October 27th 14 08:43 PM

Positions
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:48:20 -0400, wrote:

Don't confuse Harry with facts. He can't assimilate them.

He is "Factose Intolerant"


===

Heh, good one.

Mr. Luddite October 27th 14 08:47 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:21:13 -0500, amdx wrote:

But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.


===

Debating Harry is like arguing with a woman.



LOL

That thought has occurred to me several times but I never dared say it.
Debating with my wife is exhausting enough.



Califbill October 27th 14 09:03 PM

Positions
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/27/2014 2:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 2:21 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 12:47 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 1:16 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 10:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/27/14 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):



The "changes" the GOP wants will destroy all these programs. Some of
them certainly need modification, but not the way the GOPers want.

Thank you for participating.




How do you figure that?

You agree that they need "modification" (so does the GOP) yet you
say
they will be destroyed if anyone other than the Democrats present
ideas
to improve them.

But, that's not what motivated me to post the positions. You just
made
a big deal about some Fox News journalist who "made up" a story about
printing ballots at home in Colorado. I agree, it was stupid.

Yet, you do the same thing in your signature line. What makes you
different than the Fox News gal other than the fact that she has
nicer
legs?



It is only your unsubstantiated opinion that her legs are nicer than
mine.


Yes, let's talk about legs rather than the topic because you can't
defend your position. But that's just more of the usual.
Mikek

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protection is active.
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What is the point of debating "positions" with a guy who believes Jimmy
Carter was president in 1984?

Nice job, you found I made an error.
I tied the high interest rates of the Carter years to when I got my
first house. When Carter became president in Jan of 1977 the prime rate
was 6.5%, when he was not reelected in 1981 the prime rate was 20.5%,
with the rate having peaked at 21.5% just a month earlier. Reagan's
policies brought it down to 10.5% before he left office.
So the rates were high from Carters ineffective policies, but he was
out of office when I bought my home.
I also got laid off, because of Carters high interest rates. The
company I worked for borrowed money at Prime plus 2%, the high rates
became to costly and they had to cut back.
By 1986 Reagan's economy had me making more money than I ever did, or
have since, inflation adjusted.
But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.

Mikek



Sure, Mikey, whatever you say. Perhaps you need a new set of pedals.




We bought our first house in 1978 not long after leaving the Navy. I've
forgotten the interest rate on the loan but I know it was very high
compared to today's rates. The house was basically a winterized cottage
because it was all we could afford at the time. Paid $28K for it. :-)

In 1983 we bought our second home due to a growing family. I used the GI
bill to get a VA guarantied loan. IIRC, the interest rate was 12.5
percent with 2 "points". I remember it was slightly lower than the going
rates at the time because 12.5 percent was the most the VA would approve
and guarantee. Seems ridiculous now.


I bought my present house in 1979. $138.5k Assumed a 9% variable loan with
a 1/2% change cap a year. Interest rates were 13.5%. First house in 1969
was I think 6.5%. $25k house.

F*O*A*D October 27th 14 09:08 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 4:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2014 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:21:13 -0500, amdx wrote:

But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.


===

Debating Harry is like arguing with a woman.



LOL

That thought has occurred to me several times but I never dared say it.
Debating with my wife is exhausting enough.



There's very little "debating" going on here.

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A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

F*O*A*D October 27th 14 09:08 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:21:13 -0500, amdx wrote:

But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.


===

Debating Harry is like arguing with a woman.


You suck at both.

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

Mr. Luddite October 27th 14 10:01 PM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 5:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:21:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



We bought our first house in 1978 not long after leaving the Navy. I've
forgotten the interest rate on the loan but I know it was very high
compared to today's rates. The house was basically a winterized cottage
because it was all we could afford at the time. Paid $28K for it. :-)

In 1983 we bought our second home due to a growing family. I used the
GI bill to get a VA guarantied loan. IIRC, the interest rate was 12.5
percent with 2 "points". I remember it was slightly lower than the
going rates at the time because 12.5 percent was the most the VA would
approve and guarantee. Seems ridiculous now.




My first house was in Maryland for $31k, 30% down and the rate was
7.25% no points. (my ex still lives there)
I bought a condo on Treasure Island, near St Pete for $52k in 77 and a
12% rate. I was able to refi that down to 8% for 10 years, some time
later (85-86?) for the same payment. I ended up paying it off early.
I paid cash for this house in 84.



Yeah, we paid off the second house in 2000 and haven't had a mortgage
payment since. Basically swapped mortgage payments for health insurance
premiums. :-)



KC October 28th 14 12:42 AM

Positions
 
On 10/27/2014 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:21:13 -0500, amdx wrote:

But again, you changed the subject instead of showing evidence
upholding your position.


===

Debating Harry is like arguing with a woman.


More like arguing with Debbie Wasserman Schults, but she is no woman...

Tim October 28th 14 02:51 AM

Positions
 
On Monday, October 27, 2014 6:01:28 PM UTC-7, wrote:


When my wife adds in her cell phone bill it is almost a grand
a month.



WOW! a thousand a month???

F*O*A*D October 28th 14 11:34 AM

Positions
 
On 10/27/14 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:51:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 27, 2014 6:01:28 PM UTC-7, wrote:


When my wife adds in her cell phone bill it is almost a grand
a month.



WOW! a thousand a month???


She is paying the bill for the whole famdamily. Me kids and grandpa
but I shjould be free. I use about 3 minutes a month.on average.and
most are Verison to Verison (free).
I could save on the Dish bill by dropping the full boat package too.
WTF it is only money ;-)



Wow! I've got myself and four relatives on my cell bill with unlimited
talk and text and I think with all the various federal and state taxes
and fees, the monthly hit is just over $200. You must have a lot of
"data usage."

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Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

True North[_2_] October 28th 14 11:46 AM

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Wife and I are now on prepaid Virgin Mobile service.
We pay $100.00 per year upfront.
If we get chatty, we can go online and add more on our accounts.
On the other hand, my wife hasn't used her hundred dollars the last couple of years so Virgin allows you to carry the balance to the new year if you top up the new hundred by the anniversary date.

Our Internet/cable tv/home phone add $158.00 per month.....and we feel that is expensive.

F*O*A*D October 28th 14 11:52 AM

Positions
 
On 10/28/14 7:46 AM, True North wrote:
Wife and I are now on prepaid Virgin Mobile service.
We pay $100.00 per year upfront.
If we get chatty, we can go online and add more on our accounts.
On the other hand, my wife hasn't used her hundred dollars the last couple of years so Virgin allows you to carry the balance to the new year if you top up the new hundred by the anniversary date.

Our Internet/cable tv/home phone add $158.00 per month.....and we feel that is expensive.



So that's where all those Virgins went...they became *Mobile* :)

Cable is a huge rip off. In most markets, the cable companies have
bribed their way into being sole providers for an entire city or large
parts of it, and in this era of non-regulation, charge whatever the hell
they want. It's the 'Merican way, and apparently the Canadian way, too.

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

KC October 28th 14 01:31 PM

Positions
 
On 10/28/2014 8:51 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:06:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/27/2014 9:25 AM, F*O*A*D erroneously repeats (over and over):


Don't confuse Harry with facts. He can't assimilate them.

He is "Factose Intolerant"


I am going to steal that phrase.


Mee too...

RGrew176 October 29th 14 05:27 AM

The city that I live in we have access to ATT Uverse, WOW, Comcast, Dish, Direct TV so there are choices at least in my home city.

F*O*A*D October 29th 14 03:39 PM

How...
 
On 10/29/14 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 05:27:46 +0000, RGrew176
wrote:


The city that I live in we have access to ATT Uverse, WOW, Comcast,
Dish, Direct TV so there are choices at least in my home city.


I have the choice of Comcast, Dish, DirectTV or the phone company that
swears it can send me TV/Internet over Cat 3 copper.
My DSL only runs about 10 meg but it does it all the timer, not like
Comcast that swings between 100 meg and zero. When I had comcast, my
error log file overflowed a couple times a week because of the number
of failed updates from my weather station. The connection is spotty at
best and customer service is lousy.


Our choices here are Comcast, DSL, and satellite. DSL is slow, and
several of my neighbors with Dish or the other one say satellite is
"flakey" when the weather is bad. Comcast is OK, but it does go down
whenever there is a power outage in our area, mainly because its cables
are carried on the main street utility poles, and not enough effort is
expended to chop down trees near those wires.

Comcast has "offshored" much of its telephone tech support. That sucks.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

F*O*A*D October 29th 14 04:30 PM

How...
 
On 10/29/14 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:39:45 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/29/14 11:35 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 05:27:46 +0000, RGrew176
wrote:


The city that I live in we have access to ATT Uverse, WOW, Comcast,
Dish, Direct TV so there are choices at least in my home city.

I have the choice of Comcast, Dish, DirectTV or the phone company that
swears it can send me TV/Internet over Cat 3 copper.
My DSL only runs about 10 meg but it does it all the timer, not like
Comcast that swings between 100 meg and zero. When I had comcast, my
error log file overflowed a couple times a week because of the number
of failed updates from my weather station. The connection is spotty at
best and customer service is lousy.


Our choices here are Comcast, DSL, and satellite. DSL is slow, and
several of my neighbors with Dish or the other one say satellite is
"flakey" when the weather is bad. Comcast is OK, but it does go down
whenever there is a power outage in our area, mainly because its cables
are carried on the main street utility poles, and not enough effort is
expended to chop down trees near those wires.

Comcast has "offshored" much of its telephone tech support. That sucks.


The main difference for me is the Dish breaks up during a big storm.
The Comcast cable stays down for weeks after the storm.
My neighbor even offered to share his fast Comcast connection with me
if he could use my slow DSL connection when Comcast was down.
They have 3 commercial accounts at my wife's club and their service is
no better than a single family residence,



Usually, when our cable goes down because of trees falling on the
electric wires, the cable comes back up shortly after our rinky-dink
electric co-op's contractors get the powerline wires back up.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer


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