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On 10/25/14 4:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote: On 10/25/2014 12:19 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:25:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 11:12 AM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:34:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 5:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Hillary in Boston on Friday: Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created. She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years. Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create jobs. Really? If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k 1. Indeed, she voted to raise the minimum wage. 2. Her point was that raising the minimum wage didn't cost jobs, as opponents of such raises like to claim. 3. Her comment about corproations and businesses was directed at the Republican idea that "trickle down" economics works, and of course, it doesn't. But, hey, nice try. The righties here will snap it up. :) I think the relevant point is it was a small incremental increase in the minimum wage, not the quantum leap folks like you advocate. That would cost minimum wage jobs. We already had the discussion in the fast food thread that it would not take much to cause fast food joints to cut their staff through automation. It may happen anyway, simply because of health care costs. That would ripple through the other jobs done by unskilled labor. If I was really worried about workers, I would be trying to figure out a way to create higher skill, higher paying jobs anyway, not simply trying to increase the cost of unskilled labor. Just what "quantum leap" in the minimum wage do you think I advocate? I had the impression you were a $10.75 guy Whatever it takes to elevate our lowest tier service jobs to middle class. Leveling the playing field, as O'Bama puts it. A bunch of San Francisco restaurants have instituted a no tipping policy and are adding a service charge of 20% to the bills. Goes to the restaurant to distribute. Because of the minimum wage increase in SF. So the servers will get minimum wage, and maybe a little tip money, no matter the level of service. Very democratic. Well, maybe more socialist. Get level playing field, no matter the effort or training. In most restaurants, the hired hands split the tips. Most of the tips are added onto charge slips anyway. Have a nice day and come back when you know how to play. -- This Halloween, I’m dressing up as a Republican to answer the doorbell. I’ll give one rich white kid an entire bag of expensive imported chocolate and make the other 100 kids split a Tootsie Roll. |
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On 10/25/14 4:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 3:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/25/2014 3:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 2:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/25/2014 10:43 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 10:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/25/2014 10:14 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 10/25/2014 7:34 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 5:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Hillary in Boston on Friday: Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created. She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years. Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create jobs. Really? If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k 1. Indeed, she voted to raise the minimum wage. 2. Her point was that raising the minimum wage didn't cost jobs, as opponents of such raises like to claim. 3. Her comment about corproations and businesses was directed at the Republican idea that "trickle down" economics works, and of course, it doesn't. But, hey, nice try. The righties here will snap it up. :) The House version of that bill passed with *all* Democrats voting for it along with 86 of the Republicans. It died in the Senate though until it was modified to include the tax breaks for businesses to offset the cost of higher wages. *That's* what she voted for. (of course a year later the whole thing didn't matter anymore). Two sentences later though she reminds the Boston audience that corporations and businesses don't create jobs. Why give them a tax break then? The minimum wage thing is always the issue that Democrats rely upon to garner votes. They are focusing on it again now. Then they bitch about corporations not paying their share of taxes after passing the bill that created tax breaks. More of note though: Hillary is adopting the party line BS along with the tones of sarcasm and arrogance that liberals apparently find so appealing. We've had over 6 years of arrogant leadership. Do we need more? As time goes by I am convinced more and more that only those who are verifiable US citizens and who are 25 to 55 should be able to vote in any election in the USA. If you are under 25 you haven't really got a clue as to what is going on in the world and how it affects you and once you are over 55 all you want to do is make the rest of your life comfortable on someone else's back. As far as non-US citizens go I really don't care what they think, what they want or whether they are happy. Be careful of expressing any rational thoughts. They are not welcome by some here. My brother's favorite saying: "Republican while you work and a Democrat when you retire". You think disenfranchising tens of millions of American voters is a good thing, eh? How very Republican of you. Where did I say that? Ahh, you stated that Bertbrain's idea to disenfranchise millions of coters was a "rational thought," or at least you implied that. I don't agree with it but that doesn't mean it's not a rational thought. This country spends trillions (about 15 trillion since LBJ declared war on poverty in 1964) to fight poverty and reduce reliance on welfare programs. The results? The poverty level is the same as it was in 1964 and the payouts in welfare has risen over 700 percent. It can't go on like this forever Harry. Greg pointed out that people 62 or over have "paid in" most of what they are going to and are likely to vote for the person who "gives" them the most in benefits. Maybe. Maybe not. One thing is for sure though. We have a growing number in our society who adopt that lifestyle at 18 years old. They never "pay in". You can spend all the money in the world and provide all the opportunities you want and there will always be a reason it's not enough. I don't think it is "rational" to disenfranchise huge groups of voters. We disenfranchise large numbers now. Convicted of a Felony. Under 18 years old. Non citizen living here. Probably those with tax liens should be included. Come on, 'fess us. You *are* Snotty Ingerfool's genetic daddy. Same politics, same ignorance, same stupidity. -- This Halloween, I’m dressing up as a Republican to answer the doorbell. I’ll give one rich white kid an entire bag of expensive imported chocolate and make the other 100 kids split a Tootsie Roll. |
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On 10/25/14 5:33 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:34:58 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 12:19 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:25:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 11:12 AM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:34:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 5:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Hillary in Boston on Friday: Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created. She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years. Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create jobs. Really? If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k 1. Indeed, she voted to raise the minimum wage. 2. Her point was that raising the minimum wage didn't cost jobs, as opponents of such raises like to claim. 3. Her comment about corproations and businesses was directed at the Republican idea that "trickle down" economics works, and of course, it doesn't. But, hey, nice try. The righties here will snap it up. :) I think the relevant point is it was a small incremental increase in the minimum wage, not the quantum leap folks like you advocate. That would cost minimum wage jobs. We already had the discussion in the fast food thread that it would not take much to cause fast food joints to cut their staff through automation. It may happen anyway, simply because of health care costs. That would ripple through the other jobs done by unskilled labor. If I was really worried about workers, I would be trying to figure out a way to create higher skill, higher paying jobs anyway, not simply trying to increase the cost of unskilled labor. Just what "quantum leap" in the minimum wage do you think I advocate? I had the impression you were a $10.75 guy At a minimum, and I wouldn't call that a quantum leap. 40% is not a leap? Considering how far behind the actual cost of living has climbed in the last few decades, no. Even at $10.75, it isn't a "living wage" in most urban areas. -- This Halloween, I’m dressing up as a Republican to answer the doorbell. I’ll give one rich white kid an entire bag of expensive imported chocolate and make the other 100 kids split a Tootsie Roll. |
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On 10/25/2014 4:55 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... Hillary in Boston on Friday: Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created. She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years. Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create jobs. Really? If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k Why are you always complaining? Like Harry complaining about Republitrash, I am attempting to convince anyone who gives a crap not to elect Hillary as our next POTUS. I think she's a liar, and is not qualified. That's why. |
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On 10/25/2014 5:33 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:34:58 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 12:19 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:25:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 11:12 AM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:34:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 5:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Hillary in Boston on Friday: Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created. She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years. Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create jobs. Really? If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k 1. Indeed, she voted to raise the minimum wage. 2. Her point was that raising the minimum wage didn't cost jobs, as opponents of such raises like to claim. 3. Her comment about corproations and businesses was directed at the Republican idea that "trickle down" economics works, and of course, it doesn't. But, hey, nice try. The righties here will snap it up. :) I think the relevant point is it was a small incremental increase in the minimum wage, not the quantum leap folks like you advocate. That would cost minimum wage jobs. We already had the discussion in the fast food thread that it would not take much to cause fast food joints to cut their staff through automation. It may happen anyway, simply because of health care costs. That would ripple through the other jobs done by unskilled labor. If I was really worried about workers, I would be trying to figure out a way to create higher skill, higher paying jobs anyway, not simply trying to increase the cost of unskilled labor. Just what "quantum leap" in the minimum wage do you think I advocate? I had the impression you were a $10.75 guy At a minimum, and I wouldn't call that a quantum leap. 40% is not a leap? That's a lot of new tax breaks for businesses and corporations. :-) |
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On 10/25/14 6:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/25/2014 4:55 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Hillary in Boston on Friday: Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created. She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years. Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create jobs. Really? If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k Why are you always complaining? Like Harry complaining about Republitrash, I am attempting to convince anyone who gives a crap not to elect Hillary as our next POTUS. I think she's a liar, and is not qualified. That's why. Uh huh...and your choice of candidate is... -- This Halloween, I’m dressing up as a Republican to answer the doorbell. I’ll give one rich white kid an entire bag of expensive imported chocolate and make the other 100 kids split a Tootsie Roll. |
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On 10/25/2014 6:53 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:35:42 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 5:33 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:34:58 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 12:19 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:25:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 11:12 AM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:34:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 5:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Hillary in Boston on Friday: Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created. She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years. Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create jobs. Really? If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k 1. Indeed, she voted to raise the minimum wage. 2. Her point was that raising the minimum wage didn't cost jobs, as opponents of such raises like to claim. 3. Her comment about corproations and businesses was directed at the Republican idea that "trickle down" economics works, and of course, it doesn't. But, hey, nice try. The righties here will snap it up. :) I think the relevant point is it was a small incremental increase in the minimum wage, not the quantum leap folks like you advocate. That would cost minimum wage jobs. We already had the discussion in the fast food thread that it would not take much to cause fast food joints to cut their staff through automation. It may happen anyway, simply because of health care costs. That would ripple through the other jobs done by unskilled labor. If I was really worried about workers, I would be trying to figure out a way to create higher skill, higher paying jobs anyway, not simply trying to increase the cost of unskilled labor. Just what "quantum leap" in the minimum wage do you think I advocate? I had the impression you were a $10.75 guy At a minimum, and I wouldn't call that a quantum leap. 40% is not a leap? Considering how far behind the actual cost of living has climbed in the last few decades, no. Even at $10.75, it isn't a "living wage" in most urban areas. Adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage is pretty much exactly where it was during the Kennedy administration. Who ever said an entry level job (or less) was even supposed to be a living wage. I said it before and I will say it again, the problem is we do not have enough jobs that are productive enough to justify a living wage. The idea that we will elevate the most menial labor to career status simply by paying more for it is ludicrous. All you will do is eliminate those jobs or push them under the table. Harry's followup will be that the United States is the only developed country in the world that does not guaranty everyone a living wage. That's why immigration to the USA is at an all time high. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/25/2014 6:53 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:35:42 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 5:33 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:34:58 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 12:19 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:25:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 11:12 AM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:34:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/25/14 5:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Hillary in Boston on Friday: Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created. She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years. Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create jobs. Really? If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k 1. Indeed, she voted to raise the minimum wage. 2. Her point was that raising the minimum wage didn't cost jobs, as opponents of such raises like to claim. 3. Her comment about corproations and businesses was directed at the Republican idea that "trickle down" economics works, and of course, it doesn't. But, hey, nice try. The righties here will snap it up. :) I think the relevant point is it was a small incremental increase in the minimum wage, not the quantum leap folks like you advocate. That would cost minimum wage jobs. We already had the discussion in the fast food thread that it would not take much to cause fast food joints to cut their staff through automation. It may happen anyway, simply because of health care costs. That would ripple through the other jobs done by unskilled labor. If I was really worried about workers, I would be trying to figure out a way to create higher skill, higher paying jobs anyway, not simply trying to increase the cost of unskilled labor. Just what "quantum leap" in the minimum wage do you think I advocate? I had the impression you were a $10.75 guy At a minimum, and I wouldn't call that a quantum leap. 40% is not a leap? Considering how far behind the actual cost of living has climbed in the last few decades, no. Even at $10.75, it isn't a "living wage" in most urban areas. Adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage is pretty much exactly where it was during the Kennedy administration. Who ever said an entry level job (or less) was even supposed to be a living wage. I said it before and I will say it again, the problem is we do not have enough jobs that are productive enough to justify a living wage. The idea that we will elevate the most menial labor to career status simply by paying more for it is ludicrous. All you will do is eliminate those jobs or push them under the table. Harry's followup will be that the United States is the only developed country in the world that does not guaranty everyone a living wage. That's why immigration to the USA is at an all time high. Hell, you get a living wage here, from 18 on and never have to work. |
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