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On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? I think they envision a shooting war with Muslim's! |
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On 9/3/2014 1:54 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:13:22 -0500, Califbill wrote: I am not supporting new crusades. Just pointing out that the Muslim religion has pretty much used violence to expand. Harry thinks it is all new. Bad liberal arts education. Dang Yale. Or was that Kansas that failed him? === Since there's not a shred of evidence to indicate that Harry ever set foot inside of Yale other than perhaps as a hod carrier on a brick laying team, I'd have to conclude that it was Kansas that failed him. And then there's this! http://www.findamasters.com/search/c...ords=Etymology |
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On 9/3/2014 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. **** "intellectualism", it didn't get harrys bills paid... |
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On 9/3/2014 3:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? China is specifically investing in anti-ship systems, anti-submarine (detection) systems plus a build schedule of new ships, including air craft carriers. They are also developing their own version of the F-35 that reportedly may be a superior aircraft. Russia is also investing heavily in their Navy, with a very ambitious build schedule. Our Navy has been reduced to that of the Carter administration. (under 300 ships). An overall scale back of personnel has begun that will put overall military numbers at pre-WWII levels. |
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On 9/3/2014 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? I think they envision a shooting war with Muslim's! I think they envision doing what ever the **** they want and not having to worry a lick about us... or what we think... |
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On 9/3/2014 2:50 PM, KC wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. **** "intellectualism", it didn't get harrys bills paid... Yup. Harry couldn't cut the mustard. He couldn't afford the mustard. He'll be buried standing up in a pauper's grave. |
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On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? |
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On 9/3/14 3:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? China is specifically investing in anti-ship systems, anti-submarine (detection) systems plus a build schedule of new ships, including air craft carriers. They are also developing their own version of the F-35 that reportedly may be a superior aircraft. Russia is also investing heavily in their Navy, with a very ambitious build schedule. Our Navy has been reduced to that of the Carter administration. (under 300 ships). An overall scale back of personnel has begun that will put overall military numbers at pre-WWII levels. So? Who are we going to fight? The Russians? The Chinese? Qatar? |
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On 9/3/2014 4:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 3:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? China is specifically investing in anti-ship systems, anti-submarine (detection) systems plus a build schedule of new ships, including air craft carriers. They are also developing their own version of the F-35 that reportedly may be a superior aircraft. Russia is also investing heavily in their Navy, with a very ambitious build schedule. Our Navy has been reduced to that of the Carter administration. (under 300 ships). An overall scale back of personnel has begun that will put overall military numbers at pre-WWII levels. So? Who are we going to fight? The Russians? The Chinese? Qatar? Harry, having "the biggest, baddest military in the world" usually means you don't have to fight. |
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On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. |
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On 9/3/14 4:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 4:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 2:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 1:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:02:54 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Unfortunately these drone strikes are not nearly as surgical as the government would have you believe. We are creating far more militants than we kill. And far less than troops on the ground. Pick your poison. I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide That is correct. Having the biggest, baddest military in the world is not relevant anymore. Why is Russia spending whatever it can on revitalizing and expanding it's military? Why is China investing heavily into an expanded and modern Navy and Air Force? Do you know how much they'd have to be spending annually to catch up with our level of military waste? Do you think either of them envision a shooting war against the United States? China is specifically investing in anti-ship systems, anti-submarine (detection) systems plus a build schedule of new ships, including air craft carriers. They are also developing their own version of the F-35 that reportedly may be a superior aircraft. Russia is also investing heavily in their Navy, with a very ambitious build schedule. Our Navy has been reduced to that of the Carter administration. (under 300 ships). An overall scale back of personnel has begun that will put overall military numbers at pre-WWII levels. So? Who are we going to fight? The Russians? The Chinese? Qatar? Harry, having "the biggest, baddest military in the world" usually means you don't have to fight. Oh. Really? Then...why have we engaged in warmaking for many of the decades after the end of WWII? |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 15:11:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. === Harry, you make such a compelling argument that you are ideally suited for such a role. You should volunteer now. Not only might you be a possible savior of western civilization, but you could serve your country at the same time -- better late than never. Oh, and by the way, don't get caught. If so, heads will roll, more specifically, your head. |
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On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. |
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On 9/3/2014 3:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. How about if they excelled in an insignificant way? You really are a moron. |
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On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 15:11:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. === Harry, you make such a compelling argument that you are ideally suited for such a role. You should volunteer now. Not only might you be a possible savior of western civilization, but you could serve your country at the same time -- better late than never. Oh, and by the way, don't get caught. If so, heads will roll, more specifically, your head. how did you know his head is shaped like a bowling ball? |
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On 9/3/14 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. My disdain for several of those here who "served" has nothing to do with their military service. |
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On 9/3/2014 5:26 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. My disdain for several of those here who "served" has nothing to do with their military service. Good gracious. What is it then? |
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On 9/3/2014 6:26 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/3/14 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. My disdain for several of those here who "served" has nothing to do with their military service. This discussion is going nowhere. It's like trying to swat a fly with a tennis racket. |
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On 9/3/14 7:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/3/2014 6:26 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 4:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 3:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/3/2014 3:11 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/3/14 2:49 PM, KC wrote: On 9/3/2014 12:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:42:29 -0500, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It was a response to your "Well, that might be the answer you mustered out old military farts want,but it sure as hell hasn't worked so far, has it?" comment. Yes, it has worked. Our policies may be flawed but the military has done everything asked of it and more. Off the subject, but I often reflect on my military time and compare it to my career as a civilian. My experiences are somewhat unique (I think) in the respect that I was military for the first 11 years of my adult life before ditching the uniform for a suit and tie in a civilian career that eventually included owning and running a small company consisting of about 100 people. Contrary to what you may think, the US military is incredibly efficient. The schools, equipment and methodology used to train people with no previously acquired skills or formal education still amazes me. Unlike the civilian world there are no office politics, no special privileges to a select few. It is a true, equal opportunity employer with "opportunity" underscored. I've said many times that I received more in knowledge, education and experience than I gave in return during the 9 years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves. Most of our failures regards the military and perceived failures are more likely to be followed back to some liberal arts grad, who went in to politics. And told the military what to do do and micro managed the military. How many of LBJ and his advisors were not liberal arts grads? Yeah Harry loves those liberal arts majors, like Rumsfeld (Princeton BA PoliSci) Cheney (Univ Wyoming MA in PoliSci) Wolfowitz (Univ Chicago BA PoliSci) GW Bush (Yale BA History) GHW Bush (Yale BA economics) Harry went to Yale with them and thinks he has come a lot further and touched more lives than any of them... kind of like the way he bitches about Steve Doocey, one of the most liked guys in TV... The anti-intellectualism expressed here by you righties is just frippin' hilarious. Human intel gathering is best done by humans with liberal arts educations. Of course, few of you even know what a liberal arts education encompasses. Hell, most of you righties can't even follow a thread without drifting way off course. I was discussing our failures in human intel, *not* waving the flag for the wonderful accomplishments of military personnel. Bilious Bill as usual cannot follow any conversation without tripping over it. Fretwell throws in neocons and their college majors, and, of course, the newsgroup psychotic is off in outer space, as usual. I'm not talking about photo interpretation, or about figuring out what scientific data means...I'm talking about using knowledge of language, history, personality analysis, cultural differences...the tools a field agent uses to gather human intel. You know, the kind of stuff that indicates where Osama might have been hiding, or what was on his mind, or who he spoke with, or who he slept with, or what he liked to eat for dinner, or who he trusted...the sort of info you get via human interaction, the sort of info you do not get by waterboarding, the sort of data you do get via effective practice of tradecraft. this is funny as hell. Yeah, we know you're the official military flag waver, and I've read how boot camp was a wonderful experience for all you mustered out oldsters. Yahoo. Don't get your underwear in a bunch. Not everyone is cut out for military service. BTW ... "Boot Camp" is a very small part of a typical four year contract, but it's one of the parts you never really forget. Bit of a "culture shock". In later years it's fun to share experiences with others who experienced it. It's entirely understandable that you have no respect for the experiences of others. You didn't do it, therefore it should have no value for anyone. Correct? Oh, please. I have plenty of respect for many of the experiences of others, no matter what their field of endeavor, especially if they have excelled at it in some significant way. A couple of army intel officers I knew in Kansas City tried to get me to sign up for some OCS program available at the time, but I had no interest in doing anything to further the slaughter of SE Asians, and I was even less interested in "the military." This was in the mid-1960s. Ergo your criticism of those who, by choice or not, answered the call and served. Got it. My disdain for several of those here who "served" has nothing to do with their military service. This discussion is going nowhere. It's like trying to swat a fly with a tennis racket. Most discussions in this newsgroup go nowhere. Why should this one be different? |
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In article ,
says... On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:23:19 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I just think the psychological effect of drones is the opposite of what we want. It has a tremendous effect on morale. "Caliphate" is a joke. These criminals can't build a palace. All they can do is hide. The U.S. has put a target on their backs. And rightly so. How has that morale thing been working out? There are far more insurgents now than there were 10 years ago. You already established that these are just thugs and there seems to be no shortage of replacements. It is like stepping on ants and thinking you are controlling them. We'll see when leaders get vaporized by Hellfires or laser guided bombs. It worked well against Al Queda. Of course this gang replaced them. And we'll also find out if Arab Muslims can handle democracy well enough to control the radical, bloodthirty criminals among them. I have my doubts. We act like there is some kind of Yamamoto out there that will seriously degrade their capability if we kill him. Yamamoto had a target on his back. The mission to kill him wasn't called "Operation Disrupt Japanese Hight Command". He was already pretty much irrelevant. It was named "Operation Vengeance" So you admit these strikes are just reprisals, not any real decapitation. No. The strikes enabled a coalition of Iraqis and Kurds to retake Mosul dam and Tikrit. Strikes against leaders are in the offing. The leaders will hide deep - using your ant analogy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-XidMcwKAI And like ants, you don't totally wipe out criminals, you control them. I have poisoned ant infestations to control them. The reality is the knowledge is pretty freely disseminated among the gangs and there is no one single leader or mechanic who is key to the operation. We only make martyrs. When we take out a bunch of innocents, it is just a recruiting tool. I suppose we can just kill them all but there is over a billion of them world wide Leaders keep the gang together and set the "strategy". ISIS could lay down their arms now, and the beheader and leaders are still dead men. That's what vengeance is about. I have no problem with that. No I don't have a good answer but neither does our government. There is no "military answer" except to kill them. Vengeance. Of course some might want them tried first, but not me. Yeah, it feels good stepping on ants too, but you are not seriously decreasing their population. I don't feel good stepping on ants, and avoid it. Life is precious. But if they start making big lumps in my lawn, they've chosen their sad fate. Vengeance is reserved for killers. |
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On 9/4/14 5:47 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:37:34 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: Not nearly as many by direct US military action as by them cutting each others throats. Bombing and missile attacks are not "direct military actions"? Are you kidding? The Arabs have killed far more with mosque bombings and suicide bombers in marketplaces than all the bomb and missile attacks by Americans. Jesus, you're a fan of criminals. The reality is, Fretwell appears to be an apologist for the anti-Israelis. I think the radical Muslims who are waging war against Israel and other civilians in Iraq and Syria are pigs, but I have no idea how to eradicate them. They're like roaches...kill some and plenty more pop up. |
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In article , says...
On 9/4/14 5:47 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:37:34 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: Not nearly as many by direct US military action as by them cutting each others throats. Bombing and missile attacks are not "direct military actions"? Are you kidding? The Arabs have killed far more with mosque bombings and suicide bombers in marketplaces than all the bomb and missile attacks by Americans. Jesus, you're a fan of criminals. The reality is, Fretwell appears to be an apologist for the anti-Israelis. I think the radical Muslims who are waging war against Israel and other civilians in Iraq and Syria are pigs, but I have no idea how to eradicate them. They're like roaches...kill some and plenty more pop up. Of course you can't eradicate vermin. You know what they say about roaches. But you can "manage" them. Greg is a loonitarian. You know, that element which rails against others having power and running the show. Hardly pragmatic. 'Nuff said. |
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On 9/4/14 7:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:53:42 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/4/14 5:47 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:37:34 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: Not nearly as many by direct US military action as by them cutting each others throats. Bombing and missile attacks are not "direct military actions"? Are you kidding? The Arabs have killed far more with mosque bombings and suicide bombers in marketplaces than all the bomb and missile attacks by Americans. Jesus, you're a fan of criminals. The reality is, Fretwell appears to be an apologist for the anti-Israelis. I think the radical Muslims who are waging war against Israel and other civilians in Iraq and Syria are pigs, but I have no idea how to eradicate them. They're like roaches...kill some and plenty more pop up. Sounds pretty racist to me. "Muslim" ain't a race. |
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On 9/4/14 7:48 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... Don't put false words in my mouth, radical Muslim lover. You implied bombs and missiles are not "direct military action" Bull****. Your problem is somehow getting the idea that laser bombs and drones kill more civilians that are killed by other Muslims. Not even remotely close. If ISIS needs another PR guy, you'll do just fine, Baghdad Greg. You're out of touch with reality. Let's not forget the slaughter of Christians by other Christians, and the slaughter of Muslims by Christians, and the slaughter of Christians by Muslims, and the slaughter of... ....well, you get it. Religion...one of the roots of...slaughter. |
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On 9/4/2014 7:53 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/4/14 7:48 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Don't put false words in my mouth, radical Muslim lover. You implied bombs and missiles are not "direct military action" Bull****. Your problem is somehow getting the idea that laser bombs and drones kill more civilians that are killed by other Muslims. Not even remotely close. If ISIS needs another PR guy, you'll do just fine, Baghdad Greg. You're out of touch with reality. Let's not forget the slaughter of Christians by other Christians, and the slaughter of Muslims by Christians, and the slaughter of Christians by Muslims, and the slaughter of... ...well, you get it. Religion...one of the roots of...slaughter. Harry, check your calender. It's 2014. |
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 2:52:41 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
If you are intent on counting bodies, let's not forget the upwards of 500,000 Iraqis, mostly non-combatants, killed during the Bush-Cheney war against Iraq. Oh, wait, the hundreds of thousands we killed aren't nearly as dead as the ones ISIS has killed...right? We could only hope they would kill you, ****. Shut the **** up, you narcissistic asshole-douchebag |
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