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An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

“Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ‘You’re coming with us,’” Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

“I said, ‘Well, what do you want?,’ and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,” Burns said.

“As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ‘I have this and
I’m not afraid to use it.’”

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

“I think if they’d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” she
said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her “to get out
of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.”

“[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn’t happen again, but I will be prepared,” Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 — a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.

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On 8/30/2014 2:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

“Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ‘You’re coming with us,’” Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

“I said, ‘Well, what do you want?,’ and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,” Burns said.

“As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ‘I have this and
I’m not afraid to use it.’”

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

“I think if they’d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” she
said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her “to get out
of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.”

“[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn’t happen again, but I will be prepared,” Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 — a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.

It's getting harder and harder every day to be a professional
slime-ball. Viva concealed carry laws.

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Mr. Luddite wrote:
An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

“Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ‘You’re coming with us,’” Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

“I said, ‘Well, what do you want?,’ and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,” Burns said.

“As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ‘I have this
and I’m not afraid to use it.’”

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

“I think if they’d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,”
she said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her “to get
out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.”

“[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn’t happen again, but I will be prepared,” Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 — a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.





When you get your CC permit you are told that you should draw the
firearm only if you intend to shoot it. In FL they now have a "warning
shot" law that allows the intended victim to use their firearm as a
deterrent as Ms. Burns did without threat of prosecution.

To make JPS's day
 

In article ,
says...

An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

?Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ?You?re coming with us,?? Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

?I said, ?Well, what do you want?,? and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,? Burns said.

?As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ?I have this and
I?m not afraid to use it.??

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

?I think if they?d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,? she
said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her ?to get out
of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.?

?[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn?t happen again, but I will be prepared,? Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 ? a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.

Likely story. No witnesses of course.
Has this gal talked about the time she was abducted by space aliens?
About as likely as this story.
Hey, nothing against CC, but I'm always skeptical about stories that
don't really make sense.

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On 8/30/2014 11:48 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

?Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ?You?re coming with us,?? Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

?I said, ?Well, what do you want?,? and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,? Burns said.

?As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ?I have this and
I?m not afraid to use it.??

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

?I think if they?d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,? she
said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her ?to get out
of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.?

?[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn?t happen again, but I will be prepared,? Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 ? a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.

Likely story. No witnesses of course.
Has this gal talked about the time she was abducted by space aliens?
About as likely as this story.
Hey, nothing against CC, but I'm always skeptical about stories that
don't really make sense.



Actually, I have doubts also. Two things in the story don't add up.

First, she was walking with a good sized dog. (I saw pictures of it).
Not sure how many people would chance abducting someone walking a large
dog on a leash.

Second, as someone else pointed out, this is the first time I've ever
heard of a firearms instructor or class that taught "retreat" or a
non-lethal gun response to an abduction or attack. The class I took
never mentioned anything like that. It taught that if you were in a
situation that ultimately required you to draw your gun .... shoot, and
shoot to kill.

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On 8/30/14 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:17:44 -0400, Roger wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

“Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ‘You’re coming with us,’� Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

“I said, ‘Well, what do you want?,’ and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,� Burns said.

“As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ‘I have this
and I’m not afraid to use it.’�

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

“I think if they’d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,�
she said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her “to get
out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.�

“[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn’t happen again, but I will be prepared,� Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 — a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.





When you get your CC permit you are told that you should draw the
firearm only if you intend to shoot it. In FL they now have a "warning
shot" law that allows the intended victim to use their firearm as a
deterrent as Ms. Burns did without threat of prosecution.

You are still well served by the idea that you don't show a gun that
you are not legally authorized to shoot.



I think the article about the "Ohio woman" was made by the Ohio woman.

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On 8/30/14 11:48 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

?Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ?You?re coming with us,?? Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

?I said, ?Well, what do you want?,? and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,? Burns said.

?As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ?I have this and
I?m not afraid to use it.??

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

?I think if they?d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,? she
said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her ?to get out
of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.?

?[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn?t happen again, but I will be prepared,? Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 ? a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.

Likely story. No witnesses of course.
Has this gal talked about the time she was abducted by space aliens?
About as likely as this story.
Hey, nothing against CC, but I'm always skeptical about stories that
don't really make sense.



Agreed.

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To make JPS's day
 

On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 22:05:30 -0400, Roger wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:17:44 -0400, Roger wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

“Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ‘You’re coming with us,’” Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

“I said, ‘Well, what do you want?,’ and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,” Burns said.

“As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ‘I have this
and I’m not afraid to use it.’”

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

“I think if they’d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,”
she said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her “to get
out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.”

“[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn’t happen again, but I will be prepared,” Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 — a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.





When you get your CC permit you are told that you should draw the
firearm only if you intend to shoot it. In FL they now have a "warning
shot" law that allows the intended victim to use their firearm as a
deterrent as Ms. Burns did without threat of prosecution.
You are still well served by the idea that you don't show a gun that
you are not legally authorized to shoot.


I agree but I would prefer to hold an attacker for the police to deal
with rather than killing someone if it's an option.

===

I think that most of us would agree with that sentiment but it's
important to understand the risks:

Suppose there is a second intruder unbeknownst to you. He could
blind side you while you are holding a bead on the first one as you
attempt to call police.

Suppose that your intruder decides to take a chance with your
quickness and accuracy, and successfully seizes your gun and/or
attacks you with a weapon of his own, possibly improvised.

Suppose the police arrive while you are holding your gun on the
intruder. More than one person has been mistakenly shot by the
police in those circumstances.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 22:05:30 -0400, Roger wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:17:44 -0400, Roger wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
An Ohio woman who is licensed to carry a gun but had only recently
started carrying one for protection put it to good use earlier this week.

Dinah Burns was out walking her dog, Gracie, on a path near an
elementary school in Lancaster on Monday when two men approached her
with a baseball bat and threatened to abduct her.

“Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and
said ‘You’re coming with us,’� Burns told WBNS, adding that Gracie was
little help in deterring the men.

Thankfully, Burns had something else for protection.

“I said, ‘Well, what do you want?,’ and as I was saying that I reached
in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I
pulled it out,� Burns said.

“As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the
baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, ‘I have this
and I’m not afraid to use it.’�

The men backed off and left, Burns told the news station.

“I think if they’d gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,�
she said, citing her concealed carry training which taught her “to get
out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without
having to discharge your firearm.�

“[I'm] very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it
doesn’t happen again, but I will be prepared,� Burns said.

Ohio, which began issuing concealed carry permits in 2004, has
experienced a massive surge of new concealed carry permit requests.
According to an article from the Columbus Dispatch earlier this year,
96,972 new permits were issued in 2013 — a 50 percent increase from
2012. Permit renewals quadrupled over the same time span to 48,370.





When you get your CC permit you are told that you should draw the
firearm only if you intend to shoot it. In FL they now have a "warning
shot" law that allows the intended victim to use their firearm as a
deterrent as Ms. Burns did without threat of prosecution.
You are still well served by the idea that you don't show a gun that
you are not legally authorized to shoot.


I agree but I would prefer to hold an attacker for the police to deal
with rather than killing someone if it's an option.
===

I think that most of us would agree with that sentiment but it's
important to understand the risks:

Suppose there is a second intruder unbeknownst to you. He could
blind side you while you are holding a bead on the first one as you
attempt to call police.

Suppose that your intruder decides to take a chance with your
quickness and accuracy, and successfully seizes your gun and/or
attacks you with a weapon of his own, possibly improvised.

Suppose the police arrive while you are holding your gun on the
intruder. More than one person has been mistakenly shot by the
police in those circumstances.

I agree. It's a shame that we are legally better off killing an
intruder rather than shooting them in the knees and disabling them
alive. It's got to be difficult living with the memory of killing
someone even if they were a lifetime loser. I hope I never have to deal
with that.

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wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 23:04:37 -0400, Roger wrote:


I agree. It's a shame that we are legally better off killing an
intruder rather than shooting them in the knees and disabling them
alive. It's got to be difficult living with the memory of killing
someone even if they were a lifetime loser. I hope I never have to deal
with that.

Unfortunately you are as likely to be charged with aggravated assault
for trying to "arrest" someone as anything. If the bad guy becomes
immediately compliant and calmly waits for the police you may be OK
but if he suddenly changes his mind, your case starts getting far more
complicated. The best you can hope for is they just run away. The
longer you spent looking at each other while you were holding them at
gunpoint, the farther you get from imminent threat.
"Citizen's arrest" is probably the biggest myth in the law. You
certainly have no right to use deadly force to affect that arrest.

At least be sure you are holding them in the corner so they have to
come towards you to get away. You certainly want to shoot them in the
front if that is your intent.
Hire a good lawyer. Plan on living broke. Zimmerman is still on the
hook for about a half million.

Wounding someone is the worst possible outcome. Not only might you be
charged but you will certainly be sued.

And very likely lose the suit. Like the burglar years ago, who fell
through the roof breaking in, and sued and won for damages.

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On 9/1/2014 12:25 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 23:04:37 -0400, Roger wrote:


I agree. It's a shame that we are legally better off killing an
intruder rather than shooting them in the knees and disabling them
alive. It's got to be difficult living with the memory of killing
someone even if they were a lifetime loser. I hope I never have to deal
with that.

Unfortunately you are as likely to be charged with aggravated assault
for trying to "arrest" someone as anything. If the bad guy becomes
immediately compliant and calmly waits for the police you may be OK
but if he suddenly changes his mind, your case starts getting far more
complicated. The best you can hope for is they just run away. The
longer you spent looking at each other while you were holding them at
gunpoint, the farther you get from imminent threat.
"Citizen's arrest" is probably the biggest myth in the law. You
certainly have no right to use deadly force to affect that arrest.

At least be sure you are holding them in the corner so they have to
come towards you to get away. You certainly want to shoot them in the
front if that is your intent.
Hire a good lawyer. Plan on living broke. Zimmerman is still on the
hook for about a half million.

Wounding someone is the worst possible outcome. Not only might you be
charged but you will certainly be sued.

And very likely lose the suit. Like the burglar years ago, who fell
through the roof breaking in, and sued and won for damages.

Accidental breaking and entering while inspecting the roof?

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Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 23:04:37 -0400, Roger wrote:


I agree. It's a shame that we are legally better off killing an
intruder rather than shooting them in the knees and disabling them
alive. It's got to be difficult living with the memory of killing
someone even if they were a lifetime loser. I hope I never have to deal
with that.
Unfortunately you are as likely to be charged with aggravated assault
for trying to "arrest" someone as anything. If the bad guy becomes
immediately compliant and calmly waits for the police you may be OK
but if he suddenly changes his mind, your case starts getting far more
complicated. The best you can hope for is they just run away. The
longer you spent looking at each other while you were holding them at
gunpoint, the farther you get from imminent threat.
"Citizen's arrest" is probably the biggest myth in the law. You
certainly have no right to use deadly force to affect that arrest.

At least be sure you are holding them in the corner so they have to
come towards you to get away. You certainly want to shoot them in the
front if that is your intent.
Hire a good lawyer. Plan on living broke. Zimmerman is still on the
hook for about a half million.

Wounding someone is the worst possible outcome. Not only might you be
charged but you will certainly be sued.
And very likely lose the suit. Like the burglar years ago, who fell
through the roof breaking in, and sued and won for damages.
You hear about those cases and it always amazes me that the perp wins.
How can that happen in a jury trial?

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Roger wrote:
Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 23:04:37 -0400, Roger wrote:


I agree. It's a shame that we are legally better off killing an
intruder rather than shooting them in the knees and disabling them
alive. It's got to be difficult living with the memory of killing
someone even if they were a lifetime loser. I hope I never have to deal
with that.
Unfortunately you are as likely to be charged with aggravated assault
for trying to "arrest" someone as anything. If the bad guy becomes
immediately compliant and calmly waits for the police you may be OK
but if he suddenly changes his mind, your case starts getting far more
complicated. The best you can hope for is they just run away. The
longer you spent looking at each other while you were holding them at
gunpoint, the farther you get from imminent threat.
"Citizen's arrest" is probably the biggest myth in the law. You
certainly have no right to use deadly force to affect that arrest.

At least be sure you are holding them in the corner so they have to
come towards you to get away. You certainly want to shoot them in the
front if that is your intent.
Hire a good lawyer. Plan on living broke. Zimmerman is still on the
hook for about a half million.

Wounding someone is the worst possible outcome. Not only might you be
charged but you will certainly be sued.
And very likely lose the suit. Like the burglar years ago, who fell
through the roof breaking in, and sued and won for damages.
You hear about those cases and it always amazes me that the perp wins.
How can that happen in a jury trial?

The good guy has insurance. Jury likes to give away others money.
Forgetting that we all pay those premiums.