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KC August 1st 14 12:03 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
This was clipped from a local racing forum, I have no reason to doubt
it's validity although I didn't get to check it out...

snip
The Massachusetts State Police and the Department of Transportation
today announced that Troop E of the State Police will roll numerous
extra patrols on the Massachusetts Turnpike from Friday through Monday
as part of a multi-state effort to enforce traffic laws and interdict
dangerous drivers.
Massachusetts and 14 other states tomorrow will kick off the “I-90/94
Challenge” on Interstates 90 and 94 across the United States. Here,
Troop E, which is responsible for patrolling the Turnpike (Route 90)
from Boston to the New York line, will conduct enforcement efforts
focusing on distracted and impaired driving, excessive speed, seatbelt
use, motorcycle violations, and defective equipment on and unsafe
driving of large trucks and buses. Troop E will utilize marked,
semi-marked, low profile, and unmarked patrol vehicles.
In addition to normal staffing levels, additional troopers will be added
to every shift throughout the 96-hour period to conduct saturation
patrols throughout the length of the Turnpike. The road patrols will be
complemented by patrols run by members of the Troop E Community Action
Team and Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Unit.
/snip

Be careful out there, looks like it's open season or commuters this
weekend:)

Mr. Luddite August 1st 14 12:45 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On 7/31/2014 7:03 PM, KC wrote:
This was clipped from a local racing forum, I have no reason to doubt
it's validity although I didn't get to check it out...

snip
The Massachusetts State Police and the Department of Transportation
today announced that Troop E of the State Police will roll numerous
extra patrols on the Massachusetts Turnpike from Friday through Monday
as part of a multi-state effort to enforce traffic laws and interdict
dangerous drivers.
Massachusetts and 14 other states tomorrow will kick off the “I-90/94
Challenge” on Interstates 90 and 94 across the United States. Here,
Troop E, which is responsible for patrolling the Turnpike (Route 90)
from Boston to the New York line, will conduct enforcement efforts
focusing on distracted and impaired driving, excessive speed, seatbelt
use, motorcycle violations, and defective equipment on and unsafe
driving of large trucks and buses. Troop E will utilize marked,
semi-marked, low profile, and unmarked patrol vehicles.
In addition to normal staffing levels, additional troopers will be added
to every shift throughout the 96-hour period to conduct saturation
patrols throughout the length of the Turnpike. The road patrols will be
complemented by patrols run by members of the Troop E Community Action
Team and Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Unit.
/snip

Be careful out there, looks like it's open season or commuters this
weekend:)



Sounds like a wonderful idea to me. Hope they nail a couple of hundred
people texting while driving.

I was on Rt.3 driving south (towards the Cape) today, heading just a few
exits down to Lowe's to pick up some light bulbs. Traffic was heavier
than normal for a Thursday ... maybe due to vacationers heading for
Plymouth or down the Cape for the weekend. I was in the granny lane and
passed a Honda who was in the passing lane but only doing about 45 mph
and weaving back and forth. First thought was a DUI, so I kept an eye
on him. They I realized he was texting on a cell phone, occasionally
looking up to see where he was on the road. This went on for a few
minutes, then he put the phone down and sped up to match traffic speed
(passing me).

Love to see people like him nailed.

True North[_2_] August 1st 14 12:52 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
Poor L'il Snottie doesn't realize that effective law enforcement is a good thing.
One of the better uses of our tax dollars.

[email protected] August 1st 14 01:59 AM

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On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:52:41 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Poor L'il Snottie doesn't realize that effective law enforcement is a good thing.

One of the better uses of our tax dollars.


Shut up stupid...he wasnt even talking to you.

Ever notice how dickhead donnies replies all look just like his Masters (krause the slug) ??

True North[_2_] August 1st 14 03:35 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:59:04 UTC-3, wrote:
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:52:41 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:

Poor L'il Snottie doesn't realize that effective law enforcement is a good thing.




One of the better uses of our tax dollars.




Shut up stupid...he wasnt even talking to you.



Ever notice how dickhead donnies replies all look just like his Masters (krause the slug) ??


I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.

Wayne.B August 1st 14 03:48 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:03:30 -0400, KC wrote:

This was clipped from a local racing forum, I have no reason to doubt
it's validity although I didn't get to check it out...

snip
The Massachusetts State Police and the Department of Transportation
today announced that Troop E of the State Police will roll numerous
extra patrols on the Massachusetts Turnpike from Friday through Monday
as part of a multi-state effort to enforce traffic laws and interdict
dangerous drivers.
Massachusetts and 14 other states tomorrow will kick off the “I-90/94
Challenge” on Interstates 90 and 94 across the United States. Here,
Troop E, which is responsible for patrolling the Turnpike (Route 90)
from Boston to the New York line, will conduct enforcement efforts
focusing on distracted and impaired driving, excessive speed, seatbelt
use, motorcycle violations, and defective equipment on and unsafe
driving of large trucks and buses. Troop E will utilize marked,
semi-marked, low profile, and unmarked patrol vehicles.
In addition to normal staffing levels, additional troopers will be added
to every shift throughout the 96-hour period to conduct saturation
patrols throughout the length of the Turnpike. The road patrols will be
complemented by patrols run by members of the Troop E Community Action
Team and Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Unit.
/snip

Be careful out there, looks like it's open season or commuters this
weekend:)


===

If the Mass cops really want to interdict dangerous drivers, all they
have to do is go to downtown Boston during any rush hour. I drove in
and around New York City and northern New Jersey for many years and
none of them can compare to Boston drivers for shear reckless
aggression.

[email protected] August 1st 14 04:03 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:35:34 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:59:04 UTC-3, wrote:

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:52:41 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:




Poor L'il Snottie doesn't realize that effective law enforcement is a good thing.








One of the better uses of our tax dollars.








Shut up stupid...he wasnt even talking to you.








Ever notice how dickhead donnies replies all look just like his Masters (krause the slug) ??




I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.


OOOOOOOOOHH...Im so scared.


Tick...Tick...Tick.....

The law won't save your ass. You need a Mexican Massage.

KC August 1st 14 04:50 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On 7/31/2014 7:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:03 PM, KC wrote:
This was clipped from a local racing forum, I have no reason to doubt
it's validity although I didn't get to check it out...

snip
The Massachusetts State Police and the Department of Transportation
today announced that Troop E of the State Police will roll numerous
extra patrols on the Massachusetts Turnpike from Friday through Monday
as part of a multi-state effort to enforce traffic laws and interdict
dangerous drivers.
Massachusetts and 14 other states tomorrow will kick off the “I-90/94
Challenge” on Interstates 90 and 94 across the United States. Here,
Troop E, which is responsible for patrolling the Turnpike (Route 90)
from Boston to the New York line, will conduct enforcement efforts
focusing on distracted and impaired driving, excessive speed, seatbelt
use, motorcycle violations, and defective equipment on and unsafe
driving of large trucks and buses. Troop E will utilize marked,
semi-marked, low profile, and unmarked patrol vehicles.
In addition to normal staffing levels, additional troopers will be added
to every shift throughout the 96-hour period to conduct saturation
patrols throughout the length of the Turnpike. The road patrols will be
complemented by patrols run by members of the Troop E Community Action
Team and Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Unit.
/snip

Be careful out there, looks like it's open season or commuters this
weekend:)



Sounds like a wonderful idea to me. Hope they nail a couple of hundred
people texting while driving.

I was on Rt.3 driving south (towards the Cape) today, heading just a few
exits down to Lowe's to pick up some light bulbs. Traffic was heavier
than normal for a Thursday ... maybe due to vacationers heading for
Plymouth or down the Cape for the weekend. I was in the granny lane and
passed a Honda who was in the passing lane but only doing about 45 mph
and weaving back and forth. First thought was a DUI, so I kept an eye
on him. They I realized he was texting on a cell phone, occasionally
looking up to see where he was on the road. This went on for a few
minutes, then he put the phone down and sped up to match traffic speed
(passing me).

Love to see people like him nailed.


Yup... but I hate to see some poor slob with a light out on his trailer
have his weekend ruined by a cop looking to beef up the fines... Agreed
on the texting, I see it daily... I never think "drunk" anymore, I know
better.

KC August 1st 14 04:51 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On 7/31/2014 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:35:34 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:59:04 UTC-3, wrote:

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:52:41 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:




Poor L'il Snottie doesn't realize that effective law enforcement is a good thing.








One of the better uses of our tax dollars.








Shut up stupid...he wasnt even talking to you.








Ever notice how dickhead donnies replies all look just like his Masters (krause the slug) ??




I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.


OOOOOOOOOHH...Im so scared.


Tick...Tick...Tick.....

The law won't save your ass. You need a Mexican Massage.


He ****ing sits up there trolling all day, praying the "law enforcement
was better"... so he can be even more of a coward and be even less
accountable for his dickhead actions...

KC August 1st 14 04:54 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On 7/31/2014 10:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:03:30 -0400, KC wrote:

This was clipped from a local racing forum, I have no reason to doubt
it's validity although I didn't get to check it out...

snip
The Massachusetts State Police and the Department of Transportation
today announced that Troop E of the State Police will roll numerous
extra patrols on the Massachusetts Turnpike from Friday through Monday
as part of a multi-state effort to enforce traffic laws and interdict
dangerous drivers.
Massachusetts and 14 other states tomorrow will kick off the “I-90/94
Challenge” on Interstates 90 and 94 across the United States. Here,
Troop E, which is responsible for patrolling the Turnpike (Route 90)
from Boston to the New York line, will conduct enforcement efforts
focusing on distracted and impaired driving, excessive speed, seatbelt
use, motorcycle violations, and defective equipment on and unsafe
driving of large trucks and buses. Troop E will utilize marked,
semi-marked, low profile, and unmarked patrol vehicles.
In addition to normal staffing levels, additional troopers will be added
to every shift throughout the 96-hour period to conduct saturation
patrols throughout the length of the Turnpike. The road patrols will be
complemented by patrols run by members of the Troop E Community Action
Team and Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Unit.
/snip

Be careful out there, looks like it's open season or commuters this
weekend:)


===

If the Mass cops really want to interdict dangerous drivers, all they
have to do is go to downtown Boston during any rush hour. I drove in
and around New York City and northern New Jersey for many years and
none of them can compare to Boston drivers for shear reckless
aggression.


That would get them too many locals.. they want interstate travelers and
vacationers so it makes less impact on those paying their paychecks..
They will be looking harder at "out of state" plates, no doubt...

Earl[_94_] August 2nd 14 01:49 AM

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True North wrote:
On Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:59:04 UTC-3, wrote:
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:52:41 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:

Poor L'il Snottie doesn't realize that effective law enforcement is a good thing.
One of the better uses of our tax dollars.



Shut up stupid...he wasnt even talking to you.



Ever notice how dickhead donnies replies all look just like his Masters (krause the slug) ??

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?

Mr. Luddite August 2nd 14 11:29 AM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On 8/2/2014 12:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?


Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.


Wow.



Wayne.B August 2nd 14 01:33 PM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?


Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.


===

You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense
that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in
check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads
if not for traffic enforcement.

F*O*A*D August 2nd 14 02:30 PM

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On 8/2/14 12:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?


Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



Your libertarianism gives me the giggles.

True North[_2_] August 2nd 14 03:35 PM

Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
 
On Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:15:08 UTC-3, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400, wrote:




On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl


wrote:




I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.


How is the "law" ineffective?




Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.




===




You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense


that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in


check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads


if not for traffic enforcement.




It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted

driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be

aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and

prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids".

A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really

contributing to safety that much.



Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not

drivers.



In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means

to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little

profiling.

It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic

related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the

process.




If someone is going to run into me I'd rather they did it at the posted speed limit or lower, not 20 km above it.
Up here you get hit with a 'stunting' charge if you're caught speeding at 50km above posted speed limits. (approx 30 mph)
Usually the 1st fine is in the $2400.00 range
http://autos.ca.msn.com/specials/roa...4319270&page=7

Wayne.B August 2nd 14 04:10 PM

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On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:15:08 -0400, wrote:

In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means
to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little
profiling.
It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic
related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the
process.


===

I agree with you on that. LCSO seems to be particularly adept in
that department. I don't know about Estero but the cops in the Cape
seem to catch a fair number of DWIs and red light violators. That's
all good in my opinion. I wish they'd do more about noisy motorcycles
and late night racing on the bridges however. There are also way too
many LEO resources wasted on manatee enforcement in the river.

F*O*A*D August 2nd 14 05:12 PM

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On 8/2/14 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:15:08 UTC-3, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400,
wrote:



On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl

wrote:



I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?



Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



===



You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense

that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in

check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads

if not for traffic enforcement.



It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted

driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be

aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and

prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids".

A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really

contributing to safety that much.



Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not

drivers.



In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means

to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little

profiling.

It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic

related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the

process.




If someone is going to run into me I'd rather they did it at the posted speed limit or lower, not 20 km above it.
Up here you get hit with a 'stunting' charge if you're caught speeding at 50km above posted speed limits. (approx 30 mph)
Usually the 1st fine is in the $2400.00 range
http://autos.ca.msn.com/specials/roa...4319270&page=7



The question is who is more likely to hit you in the first place.
My money is on a drunk or someone texting.
A cop in the bushes with a radar gun probably won't catch either of
them if they are within 10 MPH of the speed limit.



Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers
after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas
that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get
themselves pulled over by the county's finest.

H*a*r*r*o*l*d August 2nd 14 05:30 PM

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On 8/2/2014 10:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:15:08 UTC-3, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400,
wrote:



On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl

wrote:



I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more
effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?



Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



===



You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense

that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in

check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads

if not for traffic enforcement.



It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted

driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be

aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and

prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids".

A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really

contributing to safety that much.



Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not

drivers.



In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means

to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little

profiling.

It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic

related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the

process.



If someone is going to run into me I'd rather they did it at the
posted speed limit or lower, not 20 km above it.
Up here you get hit with a 'stunting' charge if you're caught
speeding at 50km above posted speed limits. (approx 30 mph)
Usually the 1st fine is in the $2400.00 range
http://autos.ca.msn.com/specials/roa...4319270&page=7



The question is who is more likely to hit you in the first place.
My money is on a drunk or someone texting.
A cop in the bushes with a radar gun probably won't catch either of
them if they are within 10 MPH of the speed limit.



Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers
after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas
that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get
themselves pulled over by the county's finest


I thought you were the county's finest, no?


--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

H*a*r*r*o*l*d August 2nd 14 05:34 PM

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On 8/2/2014 10:22 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:10:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:15:08 -0400,
wrote:

In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means
to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little
profiling.
It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic
related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the
process.


===

I agree with you on that. LCSO seems to be particularly adept in
that department. I don't know about Estero but the cops in the Cape
seem to catch a fair number of DWIs and red light violators. That's
all good in my opinion. I wish they'd do more about noisy motorcycles
and late night racing on the bridges however. There are also way too
many LEO resources wasted on manatee enforcement in the river.


Down here LCSO seems to be more interested in crime than traffic and
that is a good thing.
The problem with most of these efforts is it gets judged on production
more than effectiveness.
In that regard Maryland was much worse than anything I have seen here
in Florida. They used to put 20 cops in one spot of the beltway and
stop 20 cars, write them up as fast as they could, then stop 20 more.
Everyone was speeding before they got to the speed trap and resumed
speeding as soon as they passed it (knowing all the cops were there).
It was purely revenue. The cops were ranked by how many tickets they
could write in a day. They didn't do much else. Working a trap like
this could get you 3 or 4 dozen in an 8 hour shift.
They would have about half of the ticket filled out before you were
caught. They just filled in the time, your info and the speed but it
was usually 11 over, no matter how fast you were going.
Show up in court and that was automatically reduced to 9 over (half
the fine, half the points) if you would just pay it.
Pure production at it's finest, not much about safety tho.

Where I hang out in my boat, I seldom see any law enforcement. They
are scared to come back here.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Local%20Knowledge.jpg

It seems that Maryland cops are well trained to work the system and
produce revenue. Wonder where they got their training?

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

KC August 2nd 14 05:42 PM

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On 8/2/2014 10:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.
How is the "law" ineffective?

Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.


===

You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense
that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in
check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads
if not for traffic enforcement.


It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted
driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be
aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and
prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids".
A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really
contributing to safety that much.

Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not
drivers.

In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means
to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little
profiling.
It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic
related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the
process.


I am quite aware of how the Eastern Mass Cops operate, from the little
corrupt forces, right up to the State level... I got profiled all
right.. I know he can't see in my truck, but he sure saw my CT plates:(

KC August 2nd 14 05:43 PM

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On 8/2/2014 12:30 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 8/2/2014 10:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:15:08 UTC-3, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400,
wrote:



On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl

wrote:



I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more
effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?



Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



===



You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense

that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in

check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads

if not for traffic enforcement.



It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted

driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be

aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and

prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids".

A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really

contributing to safety that much.



Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not

drivers.



In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means

to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little

profiling.

It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic

related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the

process.



If someone is going to run into me I'd rather they did it at the
posted speed limit or lower, not 20 km above it.
Up here you get hit with a 'stunting' charge if you're caught
speeding at 50km above posted speed limits. (approx 30 mph)
Usually the 1st fine is in the $2400.00 range
http://autos.ca.msn.com/specials/roa...4319270&page=7




The question is who is more likely to hit you in the first place.
My money is on a drunk or someone texting.
A cop in the bushes with a radar gun probably won't catch either of
them if they are within 10 MPH of the speed limit.



Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers
after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas
that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get
themselves pulled over by the county's finest


I thought you were the county's finest, no?



Oh my, he's even jealous of tuner cars:)

H*a*r*r*o*l*d August 2nd 14 06:03 PM

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On 8/2/2014 10:42 AM, KC wrote:
On 8/2/2014 10:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more
effective.
How is the "law" ineffective?

Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.

===

You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense
that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in
check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads
if not for traffic enforcement.


It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted
driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be
aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and
prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids".
A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really
contributing to safety that much.

Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not
drivers.

In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means
to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little
profiling.
It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic
related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the
process.


I am quite aware of how the Eastern Mass Cops operate, from the little
corrupt forces, right up to the State level... I got profiled all
right.. I know he can't see in my truck, but he sure saw my CT plates:(


He couldn't see in your truck, Duh! That's why you got stopped. There's
legal limits on windshield and front side window tinting.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

H*a*r*r*o*l*d August 2nd 14 06:06 PM

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On 8/2/2014 10:43 AM, KC wrote:
On 8/2/2014 12:30 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 8/2/2014 10:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:15:08 UTC-3, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400,
wrote:



On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl

wrote:



I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more
effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?



Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



===



You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense

that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in

check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads

if not for traffic enforcement.



It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted

driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be

aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and

prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids".

A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really

contributing to safety that much.



Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not

drivers.



In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means

to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little

profiling.

It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic

related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the

process.



If someone is going to run into me I'd rather they did it at the
posted speed limit or lower, not 20 km above it.
Up here you get hit with a 'stunting' charge if you're caught
speeding at 50km above posted speed limits. (approx 30 mph)
Usually the 1st fine is in the $2400.00 range
http://autos.ca.msn.com/specials/roa...4319270&page=7





The question is who is more likely to hit you in the first place.
My money is on a drunk or someone texting.
A cop in the bushes with a radar gun probably won't catch either of
them if they are within 10 MPH of the speed limit.



Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers
after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas
that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get
themselves pulled over by the county's finest


I thought you were the county's finest, no?



Oh my, he's even jealous of tuner cars:)


Prolly not. That model plane sounding exhaust is annoying to most adults.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

F*O*A*D August 2nd 14 07:13 PM

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On 8/2/14 12:43 PM, KC wrote:



Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers
after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas
that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get
themselves pulled over by the county's finest






Oh my, he's even jealous of tuner cars:)


Especially when I am sitting in my little green sportscar with the tan
leather seats and the 300+ hp water-cooled flat six with four overhead
cams...


Wayne.B August 2nd 14 07:36 PM

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On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:13:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/2/14 12:43 PM, KC wrote:



Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers
after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas
that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get
themselves pulled over by the county's finest





Oh my, he's even jealous of tuner cars:)


Especially when I am sitting in my little green sportscar with the tan
leather seats and the 300+ hp water-cooled flat six with four overhead
cams...


===

Your imaginary car nicely compliments your imaginary boats. Have you
enrolled in another creative writing class?

Califbill August 2nd 14 07:38 PM

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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 12:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.
How is the "law" ineffective?


Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



Your libertarianism gives me the giggles.


You just have to look at the bad driving to see drivers are not improving.
Here in the land of immigrants who never drove before arriving here, it is
especially bad. I have Pinoy friends who even joke about their cultures
bad.

F.O.A.D. August 2nd 14 08:43 PM

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wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:13:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Especially when I am sitting in my little green sportscar with the tan
leather seats and the 300+ hp water-cooled flat six with four overhead
cams...



insert tiny dick joke here ;-)


Quiet exhaust system. đŸ˜„

--
Posted from my iPhone

Poco Loco August 3rd 14 02:10 AM

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:03:30 -0400, KC wrote:

This was clipped from a local racing forum, I have no reason to doubt
it's validity although I didn't get to check it out...

snip
The Massachusetts State Police and the Department of Transportation
today announced that Troop E of the State Police will roll numerous
extra patrols on the Massachusetts Turnpike from Friday through Monday
as part of a multi-state effort to enforce traffic laws and interdict
dangerous drivers.
Massachusetts and 14 other states tomorrow will kick off the “I-90/94
Challenge” on Interstates 90 and 94 across the United States. Here,
Troop E, which is responsible for patrolling the Turnpike (Route 90)
from Boston to the New York line, will conduct enforcement efforts
focusing on distracted and impaired driving, excessive speed, seatbelt
use, motorcycle violations, and defective equipment on and unsafe
driving of large trucks and buses. Troop E will utilize marked,
semi-marked, low profile, and unmarked patrol vehicles.
In addition to normal staffing levels, additional troopers will be added
to every shift throughout the 96-hour period to conduct saturation
patrols throughout the length of the Turnpike. The road patrols will be
complemented by patrols run by members of the Troop E Community Action
Team and Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Unit.
/snip

Be careful out there, looks like it's open season or commuters this
weekend:)


Hope they catch a pot full.


Poco Loco August 3rd 14 02:11 AM

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On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.

How is the "law" ineffective?


Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.


And, at least in Maryland, they've not decreased the number of cell phone users weaving around.


Poco Loco August 3rd 14 02:16 AM

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On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:36:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:13:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/2/14 12:43 PM, KC wrote:



Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers
after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas
that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get
themselves pulled over by the county's finest





Oh my, he's even jealous of tuner cars:)


Especially when I am sitting in my little green sportscar with the tan
leather seats and the 300+ hp water-cooled flat six with four overhead
cams...


===

Your imaginary car nicely compliments your imaginary boats. Have you
enrolled in another creative writing class?


I took route 4 from the beltway to its end on Thursday. Today I came back. Passed three cell phone
users paying little attention to what was going on. Didn't see any 'tuners' causing a bit of a
problem.

Lots of wild imagination around Huntingtown.


KC August 3rd 14 04:16 AM

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On 8/2/2014 2:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 12:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.
How is the "law" ineffective?

Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



Your libertarianism gives me the giggles.


You just have to look at the bad driving to see drivers are not improving.
Here in the land of immigrants who never drove before arriving here, it is
especially bad. I have Pinoy friends who even joke about their cultures
bad.


I drive through the city and on the highway a lot with a trailer. I can
state for a fact, just in the lat two years (and I attribute it to cheap
smartphones mostly) drivers have gotten much worse, I would guess I am
seeing a full 30-50% more terrible drivers, cutting folks off and just
not paying attention at all.. Around here it is literally getting scarey
to drive a trailer people just don't give a ****..

Califbill August 3rd 14 04:45 AM

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KC wrote:
On 8/2/2014 2:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 12:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.
How is the "law" ineffective?

Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



Your libertarianism gives me the giggles.


You just have to look at the bad driving to see drivers are not improving.
Here in the land of immigrants who never drove before arriving here, it is
especially bad. I have Pinoy friends who even joke about their cultures
bad.


I drive through the city and on the highway a lot with a trailer. I can
state for a fact, just in the lat two years (and I attribute it to cheap
smartphones mostly) drivers have gotten much worse, I would guess I am
seeing a full 30-50% more terrible drivers, cutting folks off and just
not paying attention at all.. Around here it is literally getting scarey
to drive a trailer people just don't give a ****..


It is always scary with a trailer or large truck. Years ago, owned a
leasing company. Large delivery truck, same as when towing the boat.
Leave a decent amount of stopping distance and some idiot driver pulls in
front of you. Especially when making a couple lane move to exit the
freeway.

Califbill August 3rd 14 06:53 AM

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wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:16:33 -0400, KC wrote:

On 8/2/2014 2:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 12:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.
How is the "law" ineffective?

Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



Your libertarianism gives me the giggles.

You just have to look at the bad driving to see drivers are not improving.
Here in the land of immigrants who never drove before arriving here, it is
especially bad. I have Pinoy friends who even joke about their cultures
bad.


I drive through the city and on the highway a lot with a trailer. I can
state for a fact, just in the lat two years (and I attribute it to cheap
smartphones mostly) drivers have gotten much worse, I would guess I am
seeing a full 30-50% more terrible drivers, cutting folks off and just
not paying attention at all.. Around here it is literally getting scarey
to drive a trailer people just don't give a ****..


Drivers down here are horrible too. We have the normal mix of morons
with another 30% of old people who should have surrendered their
license a decade ago.
After riding my Harley downtown to get my motorcycle endorsement on my
license, I didn't really want to ride anymore. I was almost killed a
couple of times.


I have a friend who retired to Florida. He says when people get too old to
drive their cars, they hook them and tow them with the motor home. ;)

KC August 3rd 14 08:00 AM

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On 8/2/2014 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:16:33 -0400, KC wrote:

On 8/2/2014 2:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 12:43 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective.
How is the "law" ineffective?

Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better.



Your libertarianism gives me the giggles.

You just have to look at the bad driving to see drivers are not improving.
Here in the land of immigrants who never drove before arriving here, it is
especially bad. I have Pinoy friends who even joke about their cultures
bad.


I drive through the city and on the highway a lot with a trailer. I can
state for a fact, just in the lat two years (and I attribute it to cheap
smartphones mostly) drivers have gotten much worse, I would guess I am
seeing a full 30-50% more terrible drivers, cutting folks off and just
not paying attention at all.. Around here it is literally getting scarey
to drive a trailer people just don't give a ****..


Drivers down here are horrible too. We have the normal mix of morons
with another 30% of old people who should have surrendered their
license a decade ago.
After riding my Harley downtown to get my motorcycle endorsement on my
license, I didn't really want to ride anymore. I was almost killed a
couple of times.


Bikes gotta' be scarey. As it were about two years ago I kept seeing a
kid going up and down the street without goggles and a helmet. Jess and
I tracked him down and told him we would "call the cops for illegal
riding" if he didn't start wearing a helmet and shades... He told us he
didn't have a helmet so we went home and got one for him and gave it to
him... I think I mentioned it here back then and he has worn it ever
since. He likes to putz around town on a pepped up moped or anything
else he can trade at the time.. Fixes them and sells, etc. and he always
wears his helmet no matter what he is riding.

Not sure if it was my old helmet Steve was wearing when he was hit by a
car riding a 50 cc moped. He has not woken from coma yet (been about a
week) but they say the helmet saved his life, at least for now....
sometimes I get it right, sometimes...

Those of you who Pray, his name is Steven Lentz...

[email protected] August 3rd 14 09:30 PM

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On Saturday, August 2, 2014 2:36:18 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:13:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 8/2/14 12:43 PM, KC wrote:








Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers


after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas


that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get


themselves pulled over by the county's finest












Oh my, he's even jealous of tuner cars:)




Especially when I am sitting in my little green sportscar with the tan


leather seats and the 300+ hp water-cooled flat six with four overhead


cams...




===



Your imaginary car nicely compliments your imaginary boats. Have you

enrolled in another creative writing class?


He parks it in his maryland red barn. :-) But have to make sure the owls don't **** on it.



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