Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/14, 10:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/14/2014 10:00 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 9:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/14/2014 8:04 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 7:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



He also ignores the fact that the Bush administration used the same
arguments in support of taking military action against Iraq that Bill
Clinton and his administration had used. In fact, it was Bill Clinton
who signed the Iraq Liberation Act (voted on and passed by the United
States Congress) that established a US policy calling for regime
change
in Iraq. Reasons were the continued and increasing defiance of UN
Resolutions by Saddam Hussein.

Bush and Co. executed that policy.


Clinton was smart enough not to. Got it?



But fully supported the decision when Bush did.

Clinton lobbed 400 cruise missiles into Iraq for the same reasons.
Didn't change anything.

Bush finished what Clinton started.

Got it?




Of course Clinton supported it, just like presidents once out of office
either support or say next to nothing about their successors. Politics
and courtesy.

Clinton did not invade Iraq, no matter how many ways you try to spin it.




I have not claimed that he did. He set the stage however by endorsing
that a regime change was necessary in Iraq and tried to exert some
military influence to no avail. Bush inherited the continuum of issues
and, despite about 17 months of trying to persuade Saddam to comply or
leave, decided that the time for regime change had come.

I know you don't like to hear that a Democrat contributed in any way to
the invasion of Iraq but the reality of what happened cannot be swept
under the rug.






My point is and has been that Clinton was too smart to invade Iraq or be
talked into it. Bush wasn't as smart. That's it.

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anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/2014 8:00 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 9:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/14/2014 8:04 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 7:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



He also ignores the fact that the Bush administration used the same
arguments in support of taking military action against Iraq that Bill
Clinton and his administration had used. In fact, it was Bill Clinton
who signed the Iraq Liberation Act (voted on and passed by the United
States Congress) that established a US policy calling for regime
change
in Iraq. Reasons were the continued and increasing defiance of UN
Resolutions by Saddam Hussein.

Bush and Co. executed that policy.


Clinton was smart enough not to. Got it?



But fully supported the decision when Bush did.

Clinton lobbed 400 cruise missiles into Iraq for the same reasons.
Didn't change anything.

Bush finished what Clinton started.

Got it?




Of course Clinton supported it, just like presidents once out of office
either support or say next to nothing about their successors. Politics
and courtesy.

Clinton did not invade Iraq, no matter how many ways you try to spin it.



No doubt O'Bama will be blaming his failures on Bush. Bama is a CYA kind
of guy. He'll break courtesy and protocol, just watch.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/14, 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:00:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

My point is and has been that Clinton was too smart to invade Iraq or be
talked into it. Bush wasn't as smart. That's it.

The democratic leadership in the democratically controlled Senate
agreed with him.
It was only the GOP controlled house that had any serious debate about
it.


Once again, in case you missed it, Clinton was too smart to invade
Iraq or be talked into it. Bush wasn't as smart.


--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/14, 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:20:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

They are browner than you



What does that mean? I almost went into an import/export business in the
1980s with an Iraq and an Egyptian, both naturalized Americans. I was
darker skinned than the Iraqi and a little lighter skinned than the
Egyptian. I have some Italian-born friends whose kids are strawberry
blondes and some American-born friends of Italian descent whose skin is
darker than mine. The point is with skin color, at least as far as I am
concerned, is that some folks have better tans than other folks.

--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

Harry, tan or no tan, I'll bet you're not browner than me. ?;^)

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/2014 9:20 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

WHAT COLOR DO YOU PERCEIVE THEM TO BE?

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/14, 12:43 PM, Tim wrote:
Harry, tan or no tan, I'll bet you're not browner than me. ?;^)


So, you have a better tan than I do. Welcome to the club. :)

--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/2014 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:20:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

They are browner than you

Browner than a Commie Pinko. No doubt about it.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:24:22 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/14/14, 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:20:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

They are browner than you



What does that mean? I almost went into an import/export business in the
1980s with an Iraq and an Egyptian, both naturalized Americans. I was
darker skinned than the Iraqi and a little lighter skinned than the
Egyptian. I have some Italian-born friends whose kids are strawberry
blondes and some American-born friends of Italian descent whose skin is
darker than mine. The point is with skin color, at least as far as I am
concerned, is that some folks have better tans than other folks.

There are exceptions to everything. If it wasn't for the crusades, all
of these people would be as dark as jesus.

Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?



What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?
Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you
so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?

You've certainly taken this far afield. :)

--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/14, 7:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 19:23:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

What are they?

Harry probably uses some pejorative term involving "sand" or "camel".
Otherwise how can he dehumanize them the way he does?
He does not think it is a war when we killed 20,000 or more civilians
from the air over the 10 years of the "no fly zone" offensive.


I find the speculations of you conservatards funny. I don't use racial
or country of origin pejoratives.
--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/14, 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:34:56 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/14/14, 7:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 19:23:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

What are they?

Harry probably uses some pejorative term involving "sand" or "camel".
Otherwise how can he dehumanize them the way he does?
He does not think it is a war when we killed 20,000 or more civilians
from the air over the 10 years of the "no fly zone" offensive.


I find the speculations of you conservatards funny. I don't use racial
or country of origin pejoratives.

Yet you celebrate your hero from Little Rock blowing the hell out of
them.



You really have problems with abstract thinking. I think Clinton was
smarter than Bush because he didn't invade Iraq. How is that a celebration?


--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

Well Ray....
 

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA. Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA. Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade Iraq.

Crikey.

--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 6:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are
you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us
from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA.
Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade Iraq.

Crikey.



Amazingly you can justify anything also.

Was GHWB justified in rallying a coalition and then leading the invasion
of Iraq in the Gulf War?

Well Ray....
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/15/2014 6:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are
you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us
from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA.
Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade Iraq.

Crikey.



Amazingly you can justify anything also.

Was GHWB justified in rallying a coalition and then leading the invasion
of Iraq in the Gulf War?

Yes.

--
Posted from my iPhone

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/15/2014 6:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are
you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us
from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA.
Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade Iraq.

Crikey.



Amazingly you can justify anything also.

Was GHWB justified in rallying a coalition and then leading the invasion
of Iraq in the Gulf War?

Yes.


The Gulf War ended in a cease fire. Saddam was allowed to stay in power
by agreeing to comply with terms and conditions outlined in UN
Resolution 687.

Understand so far?

Well Ray....
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/15/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/15/2014 6:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are
you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us
from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA.
Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade Iraq.

Crikey.



Amazingly you can justify anything also.

Was GHWB justified in rallying a coalition and then leading the invasion
of Iraq in the Gulf War?

Yes.


The Gulf War ended in a cease fire. Saddam was allowed to stay in power
by agreeing to comply with terms and conditions outlined in UN Resolution 687.

Understand so far?

And once again you are trying to rationalize away Dubya's stupidity.
--
Posted from my iPhone

Well Ray....
 

On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:12:12 AM UTC-7, F. O. A. D. wrote:


This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.



Actually, this thread was about Ray Nagin, the mayor of N.O. who fell from grace and was sentenced to 10 years in prison for his wrong doing. That is until you kept poking something about Cheaney, and Bush.

Harry, by your massive contributions, you really helped make this "dumbest right-wing thread" what it is.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 8:21 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:12:12 AM UTC-7, F. O. A. D. wrote:


This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.



Actually, this thread was about Ray Nagin, the mayor of N.O. who fell from grace and was sentenced to 10 years in prison for his wrong doing. That is until you kept poking something about Cheaney, and Bush.

Harry, by your massive contributions, you really helped make this "dumbest right-wing thread" what it is.



That's exactly what gets under my skin. Harry uses any opportunity to
spread his political propaganda. Gets really old after 14 years and
it's *the* primary reason this newsgroup is what it is today.

rec.boats isn't infested with right-wing nutcases. It's infested with
Harry.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/14, 7:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/15/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/15/2014 6:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned?
What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are
you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over
the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us
from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA.
Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and
stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq
and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade
Iraq.

Crikey.



Amazingly you can justify anything also.

Was GHWB justified in rallying a coalition and then leading the invasion
of Iraq in the Gulf War?

Yes.


The Gulf War ended in a cease fire. Saddam was allowed to stay in power
by agreeing to comply with terms and conditions outlined in UN
Resolution 687.

Understand so far?



I know and understand the history. Bush invaded Iraq and made a bigger
mess of the middle east. Too bad he couldn't have caught Osama first,
and then skipped the bull**** warmaking in Iraq, eh?

--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 8:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/15/2014 8:21 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:12:12 AM UTC-7, F. O. A. D. wrote:


This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.



Actually, this thread was about Ray Nagin, the mayor of N.O. who fell
from grace and was sentenced to 10 years in prison for his wrong
doing. That is until you kept poking something about Cheaney, and Bush.

Harry, by your massive contributions, you really helped make this
"dumbest right-wing thread" what it is.



That's exactly what gets under my skin. Harry uses any opportunity to
spread his political propaganda. Gets really old after 14 years and
it's *the* primary reason this newsgroup is what it is today.

rec.boats isn't infested with right-wing nutcases. It's infested with
Harry.







To bad there is not some super secret way to stop harrys threads from
going viral here, like some way not to answer him, some way, I can't
quite put my finger on it...

Well Ray....
 

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 08:42:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

rec.boats isn't infested with right-wing nutcases. It's infested with
Harry.

===

Damn right, call in the exterminators!

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/2014 6:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 7:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 19:23:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

What are they?

Harry probably uses some pejorative term involving "sand" or "camel".
Otherwise how can he dehumanize them the way he does?
He does not think it is a war when we killed 20,000 or more civilians
from the air over the 10 years of the "no fly zone" offensive.


I find the speculations of you conservatards funny. I don't use racial
or country of origin pejoratives.

Thanks for refraining from including those two categories in your
seemingly endless list of pejoratives. ASSHOLE!

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On 7/14/2014 7:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/14/14, 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:34:56 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/14/14, 7:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 19:23:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 7/14/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:

I know you don't care about that because they are just brown people.

Iraqis aren't "brown" people.

What are they?

Harry probably uses some pejorative term involving "sand" or "camel".
Otherwise how can he dehumanize them the way he does?
He does not think it is a war when we killed 20,000 or more civilians
from the air over the 10 years of the "no fly zone" offensive.


I find the speculations of you conservatards funny. I don't use racial
or country of origin pejoratives.

Yet you celebrate your hero from Little Rock blowing the hell out of
them.



You really have problems with abstract thinking. I think Clinton was
smarter than Bush because he didn't invade Iraq. How is that a celebration?


Clinton is smarter than Bush and O'Bama. That didn't make him an
effective president.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 12:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA. Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.

Bush's war ended on schedule. O'bama's wars are just getting started.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 4:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are
you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us
from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA.
Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade Iraq.

Crikey.

It seems that your boy is "dumb", by your definition.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 5:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/15/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/15/2014 6:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are
you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us
from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA.
Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade Iraq.

Crikey.



Amazingly you can justify anything also.

Was GHWB justified in rallying a coalition and then leading the invasion
of Iraq in the Gulf War?

Yes.


The Gulf War ended in a cease fire. Saddam was allowed to stay in power
by agreeing to comply with terms and conditions outlined in UN Resolution 687.

Understand so far?

And once again you are trying to rationalize away Dubya's stupidity.

Luddite is kind enough to parse it out for you in tiny bits. It seems
that he's lost you already. Your brain has been cleansed of all logic
and reason. Why don't you go play in another sandbox, where you can
converse with people on your own level.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 7:18 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 7:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/15/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/15/2014 6:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D
wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned?
What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why
are
you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over
the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us
from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA.
Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.



This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there, and that Bush was dumb because he invaded Iraq and
stayed
there, and all you righties have are neverending "justifications" for
Bush's invasion of Iraq. That Clinton authorized the bombing of Iraq
and
other measures is not relevant...he was smart enough to not invade
Iraq.

Crikey.



Amazingly you can justify anything also.

Was GHWB justified in rallying a coalition and then leading the
invasion
of Iraq in the Gulf War?

Yes.


The Gulf War ended in a cease fire. Saddam was allowed to stay in power
by agreeing to comply with terms and conditions outlined in UN
Resolution 687.

Understand so far?



I know and understand the history. Bush invaded Iraq and made a bigger
mess of the middle east. Too bad he couldn't have caught Osama first,
and then skipped the bull**** warmaking in Iraq, eh?

You don't understand anything. What you think you understand was
programmed into your brain by the unions and the democratic party.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:19:04 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

Why don't you go play in another sandbox, where you can
converse with people on your own level.

===

He would have to dig a *very* deep hole to do that.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/14, 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:12:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:


This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

... and you started it, what does that say?
Remember "Ray"?( if not, look at the thread title).


My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there,

His wife ... not so much. She is the only one who is relevant today.

You have no clue what Bill would have done in 2003 if he was still
president but his wife voted for the war, along with the current SoS
and the current VP. As was pointed out Bill's SoS supported the war
too. Are they all dumb? I think so but that may just be me.



Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

Bill was smart enough to not invade Iraq and stay there, and Bush-Cheney
were not smart enough to avoid invading Iraq and staying there.

Just about everything else you fellas have posted on what Clinton did
not do and why falls into the Wild Assed Guess or "Might Have" category,
including what Bill might have done in 2003, a couple of years after he
was out of office.

Well Ray....
 

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA. Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.

Actually I forgot that Japan did invade us. The outer Aleutians chain.
Was the reason the Alaska Highway was rushed to completion. 1942, Kiska.

Well Ray....
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:53:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

If Hillary and 27 other democrats had not voted for the invasion,
there would not have been one.
In fact 11 could have stopped it with a filibuster but they had 77
votes. with 2 abstaining.

So what? Senate Dems voted 29-21 for it. Their votes for it cost both
Kerry and Clinton the Presidency.
Senate Reps voted 48-1 for it.
Whats your point? Wait... Got it.
The Iraq war was the Democrats doing.
Okay. Run with it.

Well Ray....
 

wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:09:13 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield. :)



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA. Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.

Actually I forgot that Japan did invade us. The outer Aleutians chain.
Was the reason the Alaska Highway was rushed to completion. 1942, Kiska.

Alaska was just a territory in 1942. If you include them you have to
include the Philippines and Guam

I think both those were Protectorates not owned by us.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/14, 1:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:53:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

If Hillary and 27 other democrats had not voted for the invasion,
there would not have been one.
In fact 11 could have stopped it with a filibuster but they had 77
votes. with 2 abstaining.




"If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim..."
Kipling

--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/14, 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:30:00 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:53:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

If Hillary and 27 other democrats had not voted for the invasion,
there would not have been one.
In fact 11 could have stopped it with a filibuster but they had 77
votes. with 2 abstaining.

So what? Senate Dems voted 29-21 for it. Their votes for it cost both
Kerry and Clinton the Presidency.
Senate Reps voted 48-1 for it.
Whats your point? Wait... Got it.
The Iraq war was the Democrats doing.
Okay. Run with it.


It was certainly the fault of the 27 who put them over 50%+1 or even
the 11 who made the issue filibuster proof.
That is just how the Senate works. It is ironic when you look at the
people who voted for it and where they are today.
Bush and Cheney seem to be the only ones who took any heat for it.

I do find it strange Harry has such a crush on Hillary tho.
She is a confirmed neocon who says her favorite book is the bible.



There isn't a single Republican interested in the 2016 nomination with a
ghost of a chance of getting it that I would trust as the local dogcatcher.



--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 10:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:12:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:


This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

... and you started it, what does that say?
Remember "Ray"?( if not, look at the thread title).


My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there,

His wife ... not so much. She is the only one who is relevant today.

You have no clue what Bill would have done in 2003 if he was still
president but his wife voted for the war, along with the current SoS
and the current VP. As was pointed out Bill's SoS supported the war
too. Are they all dumb? I think so but that may just be me.



Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

Bill was smart enough to not invade Iraq and stay there, and Bush-Cheney
were not smart enough to avoid invading Iraq and staying there.

Just about everything else you fellas have posted on what Clinton did
not do and why falls into the Wild Assed Guess or "Might Have" category,
including what Bill might have done in 2003, a couple of years after he
was out of office.




That's history. Why don't you critique the modern day dummy in chief.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

Well Ray....
 

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:01:35 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

If Mrs. Clinton is our best presidential candidate, then America is
worse off intellectually, spiritually, morally, and ethically than I
ever imagined.

===

The real problem is finding good people who want the job, and are
willing to have their lives and reputations dragged through the mud.

Well Ray....
 

On 7/15/2014 8:12 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:01:35 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

If Mrs. Clinton is our best presidential candidate, then America is
worse off intellectually, spiritually, morally, and ethically than I
ever imagined.

===

The real problem is finding good people who want the job, and are
willing to have their lives and reputations dragged through the mud.



I think the problems we face in this country have no relationship to a
political party. They are mostly economic driven by a growing global
economy with the USA facing (for the first time in it's history) a
serious decline in decent jobs, a decline in our technical leadership
and a decline in our overall global influence.

Frustration is rampant. Finger pointing and laying blame.
Polarization. Malaise al la Jimmy Carter days.

To me, that's the state of the nation. We need real *leadership* and a
plan to bring jobs back and re-establish this country as a major world
power. To date, neither party has come forth with anything to work
towards that goal.