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A woman in Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania was hospitalized after being shot in the leg at a gun show, WNEP reported. Columbia County police said that Krysta Gearhart was shot by Geoffrey Hawk as he attempted to demonstrate how a concealed carry holster worked. WNEP reported that there were not supposed to be any loaded weapons at the Eagle Arms Gun Show on Saturday, and that Hawk, the owner of “In Case of Emergency,” should have been using a plastic gun to demonstrate how the holster worked. Police said that there was no magazine in the weapon Hawk used to shoot Gearhart, but there was a round in the chamber. Eric Bower told WNEP that he heard the gunshot, followed by Gearhart’s scream. “Everybody paused for a second and their initial reaction was making sure there wasn’t more, and then they rushed to her aid,” he said. Many of the vendors were upset, Bowers added, because Hawk’s lack of attention to basic gun safety “makes them look bad.” |
Hey Wayne...
Ok, here's the thing.. I designed that Whaler to look cool but really didn't think of how the water moves around and how nasty those sharp chines would be in a chop so I looked at a real whaler and decided the day or so it would take to redesign it would be well worth it in the long run. Here is the new 7 Plank version of my Whaler, with soft chines and a bit more faired out than the original. It's on the same page as the old "Whaler" clone, Scroll down to the "7 Plank version..." to see the extra strake I put in to even more mimic the Whalers I have seen... http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html In the transom I have the "lifting strakes" flat, can't remember if there is still a bit of drop to the outside on a real Whaler, but the computer models I am running show this might be a good hull.. I mean, I can't imagine it being bad, I just wonder if I am going to get the handing I desire when I add the skegs.. Time will tell.. Tell me what you think, pick the hull apart if you want, I am always eager to make a better one... |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:58:33 -0700, jps wrote:
A woman in Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania was hospitalized after being shot in the leg at a gun show, WNEP reported. And here is something with some importance: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1831354 |
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Say what?
You claim to be a boat designer/builder yet you don't consider how water moves around the hull Heaven help you....and anyone foolish enough to sail with you. |
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On 6/30/14, 7:29 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:58:33 -0700, jps wrote: A woman in Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania was hospitalized after being shot in the leg at a gun show, WNEP reported. And here is something with some importance: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/herringbrainstops -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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On 6/30/14, 7:39 AM, True North wrote:
Say what? You claim to be a boat designer/builder yet you don't consider how water moves around the hull Heaven help you....and anyone foolish enough to sail with you. Remember that really, truly, incredibly ugly "canoe" he built...the one with the sides so high it could be a sailboat with no need of sails? :) -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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On 6/30/2014 7:39 AM, True North wrote:
Say what? You claim to be a boat designer/builder yet you don't consider how water moves around the hull Heaven help you....and anyone foolish enough to sail with you. No one is perfect. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...ck&FORM=RESTAB -- "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them". Thomas Jefferson |
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That short stubby canoe reminded me of the ones you'd see in the Saturday cartoons many years ago.
I kinda got a kick out of it. |
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On 6/30/14, 8:26 AM, True North wrote:
That short stubby canoe reminded me of the ones you'd see in the Saturday cartoons many years ago. I kinda got a kick out of it. Short stubby guy, short stubby canoe. Around here, you can buy a one or two season old Old Town canoe for about $150-250. Might have some surface scratches, but no punctures, leaks, broken parts. The river expedition folks surplus them out at the end of the season. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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On Monday, June 30, 2014 8:26:57 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
That short stubby canoe reminded me of the ones you'd see in the Saturday cartoons many years ago. I kinda got a kick out of it. S'matter guys? Would it be different if I had a rusted old tin box sitting in my driveway, 364 days a year, or a lobsta' boat in my head, 365? What do you think of the Whaler design.. No, I am not looking for engineering advice from either of you two lubbers, but isn't it pretty? I know Capt. Tom would hate it.. He hates anything but traditional sheer and waterlines on anything... I remember when I painted the smile on the traditional Gardner Skiff, he almost convulsed:) |
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On Monday, June 30, 2014 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Monday, June 30, 2014 8:26:57 AM UTC-4, True North wrote: That short stubby canoe reminded me of the ones you'd see in the Saturday cartoons many years ago. I kinda got a kick out of it. S'matter guys? Would it be different if I had a rusted old tin box sitting in my driveway, 364 days a year, or a lobsta' boat in my head, 365? What do you think of the Whaler design.. No, I am not looking for engineering advice from either of you two lubbers, but isn't it pretty? I know Capt. Tom would hate it.. He hates anything but traditional sheer and waterlines on anything... I remember when I painted the smile on the traditional Gardner Skiff, he almost convulsed:) My late grandfather used to build plywood boats. He built and sold a few of them back in the 60's. They looked similar to this: http://boat4plans.de.vu/wp-content/upload/2013/12/boat/plywood-fishing-boat-plans-3.jpg A guy who is a local "famous" fisherman was asking me about them last Saturday. Wanted to know if my dad still has the patterns. He said he knew of two of them that are still around. Dad says he probably has them, but doesn't know where. Unfortunately, dementia has taken him too far down at this point to even look for them. Good luck with your project. |
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Scott, I think you should build them. I'm not up on hull design but the drawings look really good at least from my armature point of view.
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On 6/30/2014 12:56 PM, Tim wrote:
Scott, I think you should build them. I'm not up on hull design but the drawings look really good at least from my armature point of view. Yeah, I like it to look good, and my idea of "good" is not traditional.. I love to put a exagerated Swampscott Proud on my skiffs etc... but long flat plans on the bottom. This one is designed to hava 10+degree vee, again, for protected waters and in particular firelighting for crabs and as a swim deck too... I think my old 25 is gonna' make it fly, and be soft on gas too. I am still working out some of the negative angles on the outside of the hull, as to how to connect them inside and still leave plenty of room for water to move between bulkheads... Just checked the basement and I have plenty of fiberglass tape, now I have to go see if any of my goo suppliers are still around. |
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Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target?
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On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote:
Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target? 25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some of you power boat guys can guess for me... Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines... That was the change I made was softening the chines. http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates?? Thanks... |
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On 6/30/14, 4:27 PM, KC wrote:
On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote: Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target? 25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some of you power boat guys can guess for me... Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines... That was the change I made was softening the chines. http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates?? Thanks... I had heavier runabouts when I was a young teenager with 18 hp motors, and I'd get between 25 and 30 mph out of them. With a nearly flat bottom and less weight, you should do better with a decent 25 hp outboard. You're going to pound some at those speeds in anything more than a ripple, and you might want to mount your battery and fuel tanks forward of center. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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On 6/30/2014 4:27 PM, KC wrote:
On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote: Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target? 25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some of you power boat guys can guess for me... Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines... That was the change I made was softening the chines. http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates?? Thanks... These pictures probably won't be of much help but perhaps you can find more info on this Sailfish hull design. This is one we had a few years back. It was the Sailfish version of the traditional Whaler hull design. I've had Whalers also ... the original 13' version and a larger, more current model. This Sailfish put the Whalers to shame in terms of stability and ride. I am not a "little" guy by any stretch of the imagination yet I could stand on one side of the bow and haul up a lobster trap with very little movement or tilting of the boat. It was powered with a 70 hp Evinrude. My wife liked it so much she sorta took it over as "her" boat. Pictures are of her using it off Scituate Harbor in MA. http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish2a-1.jpg http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish3a.jpg |
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On Monday, June 30, 2014 5:45:47 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/30/2014 4:27 PM, KC wrote: On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote: Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target? 25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some of you power boat guys can guess for me... Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines... That was the change I made was softening the chines. http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates?? Thanks... These pictures probably won't be of much help but perhaps you can find more info on this Sailfish hull design. This is one we had a few years back. It was the Sailfish version of the traditional Whaler hull design. I've had Whalers also ... the original 13' version and a larger, more current model. This Sailfish put the Whalers to shame in terms of stability and ride. I am not a "little" guy by any stretch of the imagination yet I could stand on one side of the bow and haul up a lobster trap with very little movement or tilting of the boat. It was powered with a 70 hp Evinrude. My wife liked it so much she sorta took it over as "her" boat. Pictures are of her using it off Scituate Harbor in MA. http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish2a-1.jpg http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish3a.jpg Wow, I think 7 strakes is plenty for S+T :) The Sailfish sells "variable deadrise hull" which would take a different type of construction to be viable.. but I am looking for a lot of characteristics of that hull and I think I have them... |
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On Monday, June 30, 2014 5:45:47 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/30/2014 4:27 PM, KC wrote: On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote: Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target? 25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some of you power boat guys can guess for me... Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines... That was the change I made was softening the chines. http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates?? Thanks... These pictures probably won't be of much help but perhaps you can find more info on this Sailfish hull design. This is one we had a few years back. It was the Sailfish version of the traditional Whaler hull design. I've had Whalers also ... the original 13' version and a larger, more current model. This Sailfish put the Whalers to shame in terms of stability and ride. I am not a "little" guy by any stretch of the imagination yet I could stand on one side of the bow and haul up a lobster trap with very little movement or tilting of the boat. It was powered with a 70 hp Evinrude. My wife liked it so much she sorta took it over as "her" boat. Pictures are of her using it off Scituate Harbor in MA. http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish2a-1.jpg http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish3a.jpg Wow, 6500 pounds:) My boat will not handle anything like that although I wish it would.. How long it that one, 17 feet?? |
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On 6/30/2014 5:58 PM, wrote:
On Monday, June 30, 2014 5:45:47 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/30/2014 4:27 PM, KC wrote: On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote: Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target? 25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some of you power boat guys can guess for me... Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines... That was the change I made was softening the chines. http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates?? Thanks... These pictures probably won't be of much help but perhaps you can find more info on this Sailfish hull design. This is one we had a few years back. It was the Sailfish version of the traditional Whaler hull design. I've had Whalers also ... the original 13' version and a larger, more current model. This Sailfish put the Whalers to shame in terms of stability and ride. I am not a "little" guy by any stretch of the imagination yet I could stand on one side of the bow and haul up a lobster trap with very little movement or tilting of the boat. It was powered with a 70 hp Evinrude. My wife liked it so much she sorta took it over as "her" boat. Pictures are of her using it off Scituate Harbor in MA. http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish2a-1.jpg http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish3a.jpg Wow, 6500 pounds:) My boat will not handle anything like that although I wish it would.. How long it that one, 17 feet?? It was a Sailfish CC 17. Just under 17 feet. I don't think they make them anymore. Too bad because it was an exceptionally stable and good riding boat and I always felt completely comfortable even in three foot chop. It was the only boat that Mrs.E felt 100 percent comfortable taking out by herself. It was a little underpowered with the 70 hp outboard but with two people aboard it would plane easily and scoot along. This is the boat that I took a freak, breaking 8' wave coming out of a notorious area know as the "North River" inlet just south of Scituate Harbor. I was coming out of the North River trying to beat feet back to Scituate Harbor due to some thunderstorms that had come up quickly. The channel coming out of the North River can be tricky. It's very shallow on either side with a very narrow, deeper section. The problem is that waves coming in from Cape Cod Bay build quickly as they hit the shallow water on each side of the narrow channel. With the "T" Storms out over the water, the waves were growing and they were breaking on each side of the channel, then running together as breakers in the middle of the channel. By the time I saw the monster, breaking wave coming, it was too late to turn around, so I just set the throttle for what I thought would be a good setting, grabbed the stainless bars on the console and held on. The last thing I heard was the prop coming out of the water and I fell forward, cracking my forehead on the console which knocked me out for a short period of time. When I came to, crumpled up between the console and the seat, I realized the wave had passed, the boat was still afloat and I had a huge lump growing on the middle of my forehead. Then the fog set in. Took me over an hour to find the channel marker going back to the harbor. No GPS then. Just a compass and a radio. The fog was so thick I could only see about two feet in front of the boat's bow rail. On the radio I heard numerous boats hitting the rocks that line shore in this area. The Scituate Harbormaster was at the Harbor channel inlet running a siren and flashing lights as a beacon for boats trying to find the inlet but I couldn't hear or see them. Finally, as it was starting to get dark I almost ran into a channel marker and got my bearings. Quickly learned the limitations of a compass only and went shopping for a GPS. |
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