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On 5/19/14, 5:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2014 16:44:49 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Well, perhaps President Hillary will fix things up if she has some
support in the U.S. House. If the Republicans lose the White House again
in 2016, I think the demographics will make it very very hard for them
beyond that.

Did you watch TV last week?
Rove made an outrageous statement (isn't that his job?)
Unfortunately Bubba rose to the bait and said something that was a
huge gift for anyone questioning Hillary's health.
He said she was in rehab for her concussion for "6 months".
That is certainly not a little bump on the head, that is NFL style
TBI.
This is also not a 25 year old kid, it is a senior citizen.

It may not be a death blow but it certainly makes the up hill climb a
little tougher for her.
She will be the second oldest candidate who ever ran for president.
Reagan was older, W.H. Harrison was younger and he died 23 days after
he was inaugurated.

Will the GOP actually run a weaker candidate than that? Probably.

I wonder who the Libertarians will run.



1, Yes.

2, Someone bat**** crazy.

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On 5/19/2014 2:14 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/19/2014 1:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/19/14, 12:56 PM, KC wrote:
On 5/19/2014 11:43 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2014 10:20:54 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/19/2014 9:55 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2014 01:56:55 -0400, wrote:

Virtually everyone in that 1% had tax shelters that prevented them
from ever paying anything close to the 90% rate.
It was Reagan who made those tax shelters go away in 1986

===

And it was long over due. I have always regarded that and breaking
the Air Traffic Controllers union as Reagan's two biggest
accomplishments. Of course some would say that his "Star Wars
Missile
Defense" plan led to the demise of the former Soviet Union, and to
the
extent that it might be true, that would be his biggest
accomplishment
of all.


I wonder what O'Bama's legacy will be.

===

The only thing I can think of is offing Bin Laden. That was not a
trivial accomplishment and he certainly does deserve credit for
approving the plan. Not everyone would have done that. Other than
that he's a huge disappointment of course. I had hoped that he might
provide some much needed inspiration and leadership to the inner city
youth of this country but that doesn't seem to be one of his
priorities.


I am with you on that. In the very beginning I thought I might even vote
for him, then I realized he had not experience at all whatsoever that
would be necessary in a POTUS. Either way, still had big hopes when he
won, the first black president and all hoped he would be looked at as
great in history, but now I doubt it. I think his "legacy" will be "he
was a liar"...


His legacy will be a long list of accomplishments for the American
people, a list that would have been a lot longer without the asshat
obstructionists in the GOP. There might have even been job training and
job placement for an incompetent little turd like you,

I first heard the term "asshat" used in the Maryland gun forum as the
moderator was describing why he was about to banish you from the forum
forever. Please do not diminish the effect of the word "asshat" by
projecting it onto others. Asshat is special. It refers to you and you
alone.

Didn't harry die yet?

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On 5/19/14, 7:11 PM, KC wrote:


Didn't harry die yet?


Sorry, the half-cocked, half-patched motorbike gang members you
threatened to send down here to take me out were instead taken out by
the local sheriff, who has no love for meth manufacturers.

Is your daughter heading to Storrs and UConn in the fall?

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On 5/20/2014 12:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2014 17:31:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/19/2014 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2014 16:32:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The ACA was passed frantically just before the Democrats
lost the House and was done so in a manner that resulted in distrust.
Who will ever forget Nancy Pelosi exclaiming "We need to pass it in
order to see what's in it" or something to that effect.

I think you mean "Senate". They lost 60 when TK died and a republican
replaced him.

That is what Nancy said tho. It was because if the house did not pass
the frankenstein Baucus bill from the senate unaltered (and unread)
it would have to go to reconciliation and another senate vote that
they would never get.


No, I meant "House". When the ACA was passed in 2010 the Democrats
still held both the House and the Senate. Both had health care reform
bills being considered but in the 11th hour the Senate's version was
ratified by the Democratically controlled House. Nancy Pelosi and
Harry Reid worked it out.



This is what really happened (references from Thomas)

Bear in mind, by this time Teddy was dead and Paul Kirk was acting
senator awaiting the special election. (a little drama there too)

On 9/17/2009 H.R.3590 Went to Ways and Means in the House and was put
on the floor of the house

10/8/2009 12:15pm:
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by the
Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 416 - 0 (Roll no. 768). (text: CR
10/7/2009 H10550)

10/8/2009:
Received in the Senate. Read the first time. Placed on Senate
Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time.


11/21/2009:
S.AMDT.2786 Amendment SA 2786 proposed by Senator Reid.
(consideration: CR S11967)
In the nature of a substitute.

(they threw out the entire house bill and substituted the Baucus bill
as Amendment 2786)

This thrashed around with a lot of procedural issues, several
democratic amendments and 4 or 5 cloture votes to stop GOP
filibusters.

December 8, 2009 Scott Brown is elected to replace Kirk so the clock
was ticking.

12/23/2009:
S.AMDT.2786 Amendment SA 2786 agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote.
60 - 39. Record Vote Number: 394.

(More procedural BS)

12/23/2009:
Cloture invoked in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 60 - 39. Record Vote
Number: 395

12/24/2009:
Passed Senate with an amendment and an amendment to the Title by
Yea-Nay Vote. 60 - 39. Record Vote Number: 396. (text: CR
S13890-14212)
12/24/2009:
Senate ordered measure printed as passed.
12/29/2009:
Message on Senate action sent to the House.

At that point it was sent back to the house with the warning that if
it came back to the senate after Brown took office they could not
break a filibuster
The house was solidly democratic and would be for almost another year.
Unfortunately they were over a barrel. If they changed this bill, it
would die a quiet death as soon as it hit the senate floor


3/21/2010 10:31pm:
Mr. Spratt moved that the House agree to the Senate amendments.
(consideration: CR H1854-1890, H1891-2153)
3/21/2010 10:31pm:
The previous question was ordered pursuant to the rule.
(consideration: CR H2153)
3/21/2010 10:48pm:
On motion that the House agree to the Senate amendments Agreed to
by recorded vote: 219 - 212 (Roll no. 165). (text as House agreed to
Senate amendments: CR H1920-2152

At that point it went to the president.



I think that's exactly what I said in fewer words. The House,
controlled at the time by the Democrats, approved the Senate version
(which also had a Democrat majority).

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wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2014 15:48:05 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 19 May 2014 14:02:19 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

I wonder what O'Bama's legacy will be.

===

The only thing I can think of is offing Bin Laden. That was not a
trivial accomplishment and he certainly does deserve credit for
approving the plan. Not everyone would have done that. Other than
that he's a huge disappointment of course. I had hoped that he might
provide some much needed inspiration and leadership to the inner city
youth of this country but that doesn't seem to be one of his
priorities.

It was a rather tasteless action to invite his closest associates to
watch the offing proceedings. Hillery appeared to be the only one
offended by watching the event live.

===

I watched the World Trade Center towers being built back in the late
60s/early 70s, literally from the hole in the ground all the way to
the top of the top. I worked on Wall Street a few blocks from there,
and after the towers were completed, enjoyed quite a few lunches,
dinners and parties from the top floor at Windows on the World
restaurant. Great place. And then on 9/11 within the space of a
few hours I saw the north tower burst into flames, the second plane
hit the south tower, and both towers collapse. My old IBM sales rep
was killed, a beautiful charming woman with two small children, as
well as countless friends-of-friends and relatives of friends.
Personally I would have paid just about anything to watch the Bin
Laden offing.

My brother in law worked for the phone company (Bell Atlantic/Verison)
and he was in WTC7 the day before the attack. He knew several people
who died and lots who were affected by the collapse. He feels the same
as you about it.

I do question anyone who thinks any president would not have taken the
shot. It certainly would not have been any of the neocons (Reagan,
either Bush or Clinton) who would have given OBL a pass ... maybe
Carter. I can't even think of another one who would have even
hesitated.

Guys like FDR,Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, or Nixon loved killing
people covertly as opposed to war. That was why we had a clandestine
service.

And we should go back to that policy. Instead of having a massive,
expensive war, just off the unwanted person. Why spend a trillion bucks
invading Iraq when for less than a million bucks, we send in a Delta team
of assassins?

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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/19/14, 12:56 PM, KC wrote:
On 5/19/2014 11:43 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2014 10:20:54 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/19/2014 9:55 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2014 01:56:55 -0400, wrote:

Virtually everyone in that 1% had tax shelters that prevented them
from ever paying anything close to the 90% rate.
It was Reagan who made those tax shelters go away in 1986

===

And it was long over due. I have always regarded that and breaking
the Air Traffic Controllers union as Reagan's two biggest
accomplishments. Of course some would say that his "Star Wars Missile
Defense" plan led to the demise of the former Soviet Union, and to the
extent that it might be true, that would be his biggest accomplishment
of all.


I wonder what O'Bama's legacy will be.

===

The only thing I can think of is offing Bin Laden. That was not a
trivial accomplishment and he certainly does deserve credit for
approving the plan. Not everyone would have done that. Other than
that he's a huge disappointment of course. I had hoped that he might
provide some much needed inspiration and leadership to the inner city
youth of this country but that doesn't seem to be one of his
priorities.


I am with you on that. In the very beginning I thought I might even vote
for him, then I realized he had not experience at all whatsoever that
would be necessary in a POTUS. Either way, still had big hopes when he
won, the first black president and all hoped he would be looked at as
great in history, but now I doubt it. I think his "legacy" will be "he
was a liar"...


His legacy will be a long list of accomplishments for the American
people, a list that would have been a lot longer without the asshat
obstructionists in the GOP. There might have even been job training and
job placement for an incompetent little turd like you,

Somehow, you hate the idea of Checks and Balances, when it applies to
Liberal Democrats. eh?