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F*O*A*D April 7th 14 09:21 PM

No, we don't know...
 

Joshua Tucker: The following is a guest post from political scientists
Kyle Dropp (Dartmouth College) Joshua D. Kertzer (Harvard University)
and Thomas Zeitzoff (Princeton University).

*****

Since Russian troops first entered the Crimean peninsula in early March,
a series of media polling outlets have asked Americans how they want the
U.S. to respond to the ongoing situation. Although two-thirds of
Americans have reported following the situation at least “somewhat
closely,” most Americans actually know very little about events on the
ground — or even where the ground is.

On March 28-31, 2014, we asked a national sample of 2,066 Americans
(fielded via Survey Sampling International Inc. (SSI), what action they
wanted the U.S. to take in Ukraine, but with a twist: In addition to
measuring standard demographic characteristics and general foreign
policy attitudes, we also asked our survey respondents to locate Ukraine
on a map as part of a larger, ongoing project to study foreign policy
knowledge. We wanted to see where Americans think Ukraine is and to
learn if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign
policy views. We found that only one out of six Americans can find
Ukraine on a map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to
preferences: The farther their guesses were from Ukraine’s actual
location, the more they wanted the U.S. to intervene with military force.

Ukraine: Where is it?

Survey respondents identified Ukraine by clicking on a high-resolution
world map, shown above. We then created a distance metric by comparing
the coordinates they provided with the actual location of Ukraine on the
map. Other scholars, such as Markus Prior, have used pictures to measure
visual knowledge, but unlike many of the traditional open-ended items
political scientists use to measure knowledge, distance enables us to
measure accuracy continuously: People who believe Ukraine is in Eastern
Europe clearly are more informed than those who believe it is in Brazil
or in the Indian Ocean.

About one in six (16 percent) Americans correctly located Ukraine,
clicking somewhere within its borders. Most thought that Ukraine was
located somewhere in Europe or Asia, but the median respondent was about
1,800 miles off — roughly the distance from Chicago to Los Angeles.

http://tinyurl.com/law5ul5

- - - -

My guess is that if you gave Americans an outline map of the "Lower 48"
states in the U.S.A., and asked them to write in the names of the
states, the percentage getting all of them correct would be -maybe- 25%.

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


Wayne.B April 7th 14 11:02 PM

No, we don't know...
 
On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 16:21:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

My guess is that if you gave Americans an outline map of the "Lower 48"
states in the U.S.A., and asked them to write in the names of the
states, the percentage getting all of them correct would be -maybe- 25%.

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


===

My guess is that if you gave the average Russian a map and asked them
to locate Huntington, Maryland, they would probably say something
like: "That's down near the ass, isn't it" ?

[email protected] April 7th 14 11:29 PM

No, we don't know...
 
On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:21:16 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
Joshua Tucker: The following is a guest post from political scientists

Kyle Dropp (Dartmouth College) Joshua D. Kertzer (Harvard University)

and Thomas Zeitzoff (Princeton University).



*****



Since Russian troops first entered the Crimean peninsula in early March,

a series of media polling outlets have asked Americans how they want the

U.S. to respond to the ongoing situation. Although two-thirds of

Americans have reported following the situation at least "somewhat

closely," most Americans actually know very little about events on the

ground -- or even where the ground is.



On March 28-31, 2014, we asked a national sample of 2,066 Americans

(fielded via Survey Sampling International Inc. (SSI), what action they

wanted the U.S. to take in Ukraine, but with a twist: In addition to

measuring standard demographic characteristics and general foreign

policy attitudes, we also asked our survey respondents to locate Ukraine

on a map as part of a larger, ongoing project to study foreign policy

knowledge. We wanted to see where Americans think Ukraine is and to

learn if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign

policy views. We found that only one out of six Americans can find

Ukraine on a map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to

preferences: The farther their guesses were from Ukraine's actual

location, the more they wanted the U.S. to intervene with military force.



Ukraine: Where is it?



Survey respondents identified Ukraine by clicking on a high-resolution

world map, shown above. We then created a distance metric by comparing

the coordinates they provided with the actual location of Ukraine on the

map. Other scholars, such as Markus Prior, have used pictures to measure

visual knowledge, but unlike many of the traditional open-ended items

political scientists use to measure knowledge, distance enables us to

measure accuracy continuously: People who believe Ukraine is in Eastern

Europe clearly are more informed than those who believe it is in Brazil

or in the Indian Ocean.



About one in six (16 percent) Americans correctly located Ukraine,

clicking somewhere within its borders. Most thought that Ukraine was

located somewhere in Europe or Asia, but the median respondent was about

1,800 miles off -- roughly the distance from Chicago to Los Angeles.



http://tinyurl.com/law5ul5



- - - -



My guess is that if you gave Americans an outline map of the "Lower 48"

states in the U.S.A., and asked them to write in the names of the

states, the percentage getting all of them correct would be -maybe- 25%.



"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


MORE CLIP N PASTE GARBAGE BY THE ****.

Califbill April 8th 14 02:38 AM

No, we don't know...
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
Joshua Tucker: The following is a guest post from political scientists
Kyle Dropp (Dartmouth College) Joshua D. Kertzer (Harvard University) and
Thomas Zeitzoff (Princeton University).

*****

Since Russian troops first entered the Crimean peninsula in early March,
a series of media polling outlets have asked Americans how they want the
U.S. to respond to the ongoing situation. Although two-thirds of
Americans have reported following the situation at least “somewhat
closely,” most Americans actually know very little about events on the
ground — or even where the ground is.

On March 28-31, 2014, we asked a national sample of 2,066 Americans
(fielded via Survey Sampling International Inc. (SSI), what action they
wanted the U.S. to take in Ukraine, but with a twist: In addition to
measuring standard demographic characteristics and general foreign policy
attitudes, we also asked our survey respondents to locate Ukraine on a
map as part of a larger, ongoing project to study foreign policy
knowledge. We wanted to see where Americans think Ukraine is and to learn
if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign policy
views. We found that only one out of six Americans can find Ukraine on a
map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to preferences: The
farther their guesses were from Ukraine’s actual location, the more they
wanted the U.S. to intervene with military force.

Ukraine: Where is it?

Survey respondents identified Ukraine by clicking on a high-resolution
world map, shown above. We then created a distance metric by comparing
the coordinates they provided with the actual location of Ukraine on the
map. Other scholars, such as Markus Prior, have used pictures to measure
visual knowledge, but unlike many of the traditional open-ended items
political scientists use to measure knowledge, distance enables us to
measure accuracy continuously: People who believe Ukraine is in Eastern
Europe clearly are more informed than those who believe it is in Brazil
or in the Indian Ocean.

About one in six (16 percent) Americans correctly located Ukraine,
clicking somewhere within its borders. Most thought that Ukraine was
located somewhere in Europe or Asia, but the median respondent was about
1,800 miles off — roughly the distance from Chicago to Los Angeles.

http://tinyurl.com/law5ul5

- - - -

My guess is that if you gave Americans an outline map of the "Lower 48"
states in the U.S.A., and asked them to write in the names of the states,
the percentage getting all of them correct would be -maybe- 25%.

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


Teachers with the "Union Label"?
Cut and paste Harry. Did you know where it is located when the **** hit
the rotator? Besides, not in our sphere of influence. Let Europe handle
it!

F*O*A*D April 8th 14 03:01 AM

No, we don't know...
 
On 4/7/14, 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
Joshua Tucker: The following is a guest post from political scientists
Kyle Dropp (Dartmouth College) Joshua D. Kertzer (Harvard University) and
Thomas Zeitzoff (Princeton University).

*****

Since Russian troops first entered the Crimean peninsula in early March,
a series of media polling outlets have asked Americans how they want the
U.S. to respond to the ongoing situation. Although two-thirds of
Americans have reported following the situation at least “somewhat
closely,” most Americans actually know very little about events on the
ground — or even where the ground is.

On March 28-31, 2014, we asked a national sample of 2,066 Americans
(fielded via Survey Sampling International Inc. (SSI), what action they
wanted the U.S. to take in Ukraine, but with a twist: In addition to
measuring standard demographic characteristics and general foreign policy
attitudes, we also asked our survey respondents to locate Ukraine on a
map as part of a larger, ongoing project to study foreign policy
knowledge. We wanted to see where Americans think Ukraine is and to learn
if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign policy
views. We found that only one out of six Americans can find Ukraine on a
map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to preferences: The
farther their guesses were from Ukraine’s actual location, the more they
wanted the U.S. to intervene with military force.

Ukraine: Where is it?

Survey respondents identified Ukraine by clicking on a high-resolution
world map, shown above. We then created a distance metric by comparing
the coordinates they provided with the actual location of Ukraine on the
map. Other scholars, such as Markus Prior, have used pictures to measure
visual knowledge, but unlike many of the traditional open-ended items
political scientists use to measure knowledge, distance enables us to
measure accuracy continuously: People who believe Ukraine is in Eastern
Europe clearly are more informed than those who believe it is in Brazil
or in the Indian Ocean.

About one in six (16 percent) Americans correctly located Ukraine,
clicking somewhere within its borders. Most thought that Ukraine was
located somewhere in Europe or Asia, but the median respondent was about
1,800 miles off — roughly the distance from Chicago to Los Angeles.

http://tinyurl.com/law5ul5

- - - -

My guess is that if you gave Americans an outline map of the "Lower 48"
states in the U.S.A., and asked them to write in the names of the states,
the percentage getting all of them correct would be -maybe- 25%.

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


Teachers with the "Union Label"?
Cut and paste Harry. Did you know where it is located when the **** hit
the rotator? Besides, not in our sphere of influence. Let Europe handle
it!



You can't blame teachers for the ignorance of Boobus Americanus.

And yes, I knew where the Ukraine was before it popped into the news
recently. I also can point out the locations of Armenia, Azerbaijan,
Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldava, and Russia. I
might be able to point out Kazakhstan, but I'd probably trip over the
locations of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.

H*a*r*r*o*l*d April 8th 14 03:23 AM

No, we don't know...
 
On 4/7/2014 10:01 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/7/14, 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
Joshua Tucker: The following is a guest post from political scientists
Kyle Dropp (Dartmouth College) Joshua D. Kertzer (Harvard University)
and
Thomas Zeitzoff (Princeton University).

*****

Since Russian troops first entered the Crimean peninsula in early March,
a series of media polling outlets have asked Americans how they want the
U.S. to respond to the ongoing situation. Although two-thirds of
Americans have reported following the situation at least “somewhat
closely,” most Americans actually know very little about events on the
ground — or even where the ground is.

On March 28-31, 2014, we asked a national sample of 2,066 Americans
(fielded via Survey Sampling International Inc. (SSI), what action they
wanted the U.S. to take in Ukraine, but with a twist: In addition to
measuring standard demographic characteristics and general foreign
policy
attitudes, we also asked our survey respondents to locate Ukraine on a
map as part of a larger, ongoing project to study foreign policy
knowledge. We wanted to see where Americans think Ukraine is and to
learn
if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign policy
views. We found that only one out of six Americans can find Ukraine on a
map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to preferences: The
farther their guesses were from Ukraine’s actual location, the more they
wanted the U.S. to intervene with military force.

Ukraine: Where is it?

Survey respondents identified Ukraine by clicking on a high-resolution
world map, shown above. We then created a distance metric by comparing
the coordinates they provided with the actual location of Ukraine on the
map. Other scholars, such as Markus Prior, have used pictures to measure
visual knowledge, but unlike many of the traditional open-ended items
political scientists use to measure knowledge, distance enables us to
measure accuracy continuously: People who believe Ukraine is in Eastern
Europe clearly are more informed than those who believe it is in Brazil
or in the Indian Ocean.

About one in six (16 percent) Americans correctly located Ukraine,
clicking somewhere within its borders. Most thought that Ukraine was
located somewhere in Europe or Asia, but the median respondent was about
1,800 miles off — roughly the distance from Chicago to Los Angeles.

http://tinyurl.com/law5ul5

- - - -

My guess is that if you gave Americans an outline map of the "Lower 48"
states in the U.S.A., and asked them to write in the names of the
states,
the percentage getting all of them correct would be -maybe- 25%.

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


Teachers with the "Union Label"?
Cut and paste Harry. Did you know where it is located when the **** hit
the rotator? Besides, not in our sphere of influence. Let Europe handle
it!



You can't blame teachers for the ignorance of Boobus Americanus.

And yes, I knew where the Ukraine was before it popped into the news
recently. I also can point out the locations of Armenia, Azerbaijan,
Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldava, and Russia. I
might be able to point out Kazakhstan, but I'd probably trip over the
locations of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.


No surprise there. Krause is a German name, after all.

F*O*A*D April 8th 14 11:33 AM

No, we don't know...
 
On 4/8/14, 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 16:21:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


That public school education I guess.



Americans are "suspicious" of intellectually based education and
pursuits, and for many, if it isn't job-related, then the question
arises, "why teach it." After all, knowing the boundaries of the nations
that make up former Soviet Russia isn't going to get you into the Army
or that job assembling electronic widgets.

I mean, why study history, geographic, language, et cetera. They're just
liberal arts pursuits, eh?

H*a*r*r*o*l*d April 8th 14 02:11 PM

No, we don't know...
 
On 4/8/2014 6:33 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/8/14, 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 16:21:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


That public school education I guess.



Americans are "suspicious" of intellectually based education and
pursuits, and for many, if it isn't job-related, then the question
arises, "why teach it." After all, knowing the boundaries of the nations
that make up former Soviet Russia isn't going to get you into the Army
or that job assembling electronic widgets.

I mean, why study history, geographic, language, et cetera. They're just
liberal arts pursuits, eh?


Your education could have been had from Rosetta Stone, unless of course,
you consider the liberal brainwashing you got, part of your education.

F*O*A*D April 8th 14 06:29 PM

No, we don't know...
 
On 4/8/14, 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 06:33:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/8/14, 1:59 AM,
wrote:
On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 16:21:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"

That public school education I guess.



Americans are "suspicious" of intellectually based education and
pursuits, and for many, if it isn't job-related, then the question
arises, "why teach it." After all, knowing the boundaries of the nations
that make up former Soviet Russia isn't going to get you into the Army
or that job assembling electronic widgets.

I mean, why study history, geographic, language, et cetera. They're just
liberal arts pursuits, eh?


I bet 90% of the teachers could not get more than half of the former
Soviet states right on a map.
Most would not even be able to point out all of the western European
countries.



I can't speak to the educational and intellectual attainments of today's
classroom teachers, since I have no direct contact with large groups of
them, I don't have any school-aged children, and I don't know what is
taught or how it is taught in the public schools.

If your posit is correct, then it just proves my original point, about
the lack of support for intellectual pursuits. I suspect a goodly number
of the few remaining posters in rec.boats couldn't write in the names of
the lower 48 states and the state capitals on an outline map of the USA.
They might be able to point out Alaska, but probably think its capital
is Wasilla. :)

Califbill April 8th 14 07:05 PM

No, we don't know...
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/7/14, 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
Joshua Tucker: The following is a guest post from political scientists
Kyle Dropp (Dartmouth College) Joshua D. Kertzer (Harvard University) and
Thomas Zeitzoff (Princeton University).

*****

Since Russian troops first entered the Crimean peninsula in early March,
a series of media polling outlets have asked Americans how they want the
U.S. to respond to the ongoing situation. Although two-thirds of
Americans have reported following the situation at least “somewhat
closely,” most Americans actually know very little about events on the
ground — or even where the ground is.

On March 28-31, 2014, we asked a national sample of 2,066 Americans
(fielded via Survey Sampling International Inc. (SSI), what action they
wanted the U.S. to take in Ukraine, but with a twist: In addition to
measuring standard demographic characteristics and general foreign policy
attitudes, we also asked our survey respondents to locate Ukraine on a
map as part of a larger, ongoing project to study foreign policy
knowledge. We wanted to see where Americans think Ukraine is and to learn
if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign policy
views. We found that only one out of six Americans can find Ukraine on a
map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to preferences: The
farther their guesses were from Ukraine’s actual location, the more they
wanted the U.S. to intervene with military force.

Ukraine: Where is it?

Survey respondents identified Ukraine by clicking on a high-resolution
world map, shown above. We then created a distance metric by comparing
the coordinates they provided with the actual location of Ukraine on the
map. Other scholars, such as Markus Prior, have used pictures to measure
visual knowledge, but unlike many of the traditional open-ended items
political scientists use to measure knowledge, distance enables us to
measure accuracy continuously: People who believe Ukraine is in Eastern
Europe clearly are more informed than those who believe it is in Brazil
or in the Indian Ocean.

About one in six (16 percent) Americans correctly located Ukraine,
clicking somewhere within its borders. Most thought that Ukraine was
located somewhere in Europe or Asia, but the median respondent was about
1,800 miles off — roughly the distance from Chicago to Los Angeles.

http://tinyurl.com/law5ul5

- - - -

My guess is that if you gave Americans an outline map of the "Lower 48"
states in the U.S.A., and asked them to write in the names of the states,
the percentage getting all of them correct would be -maybe- 25%.

"Where's the Ukraine?" "Oh, somewhere near the Yukon, right?"


Teachers with the "Union Label"?
Cut and paste Harry. Did you know where it is located when the **** hit
the rotator? Besides, not in our sphere of influence. Let Europe handle
it!



You can't blame teachers for the ignorance of Boobus Americanus.

And yes, I knew where the Ukraine was before it popped into the news
recently. I also can point out the locations of Armenia, Azerbaijan,
Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldava, and Russia. I
might be able to point out Kazakhstan, but I'd probably trip over the
locations of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.


Hell yes, we can blame teachers! Why are the teachers passing dumbos?
Where is the standing up for the kids and quality product?


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