Rinsing an ouboard
 

I got curious regarding the discussion of rinsing an outboard using the
garden hose flush port versus muffs on the water inlet so I did some
reading. I had a Yamaha 250 four stroke on one of my outboard boats
and seemed to remember reading something about it.

First of all, it is not recommended that the engine be run while
flushing using the flush port. Yamaha states that *if* your water
supply pressure is sufficient to generate a steady stream from the pee
hole, it's ok to run the engine while flushing at idle RPM and for no
longer than 15 minutes. If the flow is *not* sufficient to generate a
steady pee stream, Yamaha says to use muffs in addition to the flush
port if you want to run the engine.

The flush port injects water after the thermostat which will be closed
if the engine is not running. If somehow water can still get down to
the inlet passages and impeller, the impeller won't be turning (unless
the engine is running, in which case it would simply pump the water back
in the opposite direction), so I don't see how it can be rinsed off.
The impeller would tend to seal off any water from running through it
with the engine not running.

So, I still question if using the flush port thing really does anything
to rinse the water inlet and impeller, extending it's life.

Here's some collaborating information:

http://www.saltawayproducts.com/FlushPortPage.htm

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:47:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I got curious regarding the discussion of rinsing an outboard using the
garden hose flush port versus muffs on the water inlet so I did some
reading. I had a Yamaha 250 four stroke on one of my outboard boats
and seemed to remember reading something about it.

First of all, it is not recommended that the engine be run while
flushing using the flush port. Yamaha states that *if* your water
supply pressure is sufficient to generate a steady stream from the pee
hole, it's ok to run the engine while flushing at idle RPM and for no
longer than 15 minutes. If the flow is *not* sufficient to generate a
steady pee stream, Yamaha says to use muffs in addition to the flush
port if you want to run the engine.

The flush port injects water after the thermostat which will be closed
if the engine is not running. If somehow water can still get down to
the inlet passages and impeller, the impeller won't be turning (unless
the engine is running, in which case it would simply pump the water back
in the opposite direction), so I don't see how it can be rinsed off.
The impeller would tend to seal off any water from running through it
with the engine not running.

So, I still question if using the flush port thing really does anything
to rinse the water inlet and impeller, extending it's life.

Here's some collaborating information:

http://www.saltawayproducts.com/FlushPortPage.htm

===

I'm not convinced that rinsing the impeller does anything to extend
its life. They are essentially self flushing everytime you use the
engine. Sand and shells do not accumulate in the pump and have
already done their damage as they pass through. Pumps and impellers
are not harmed by salt water corrosion, unlike engine blocks,
manifolds, heads, risers, etc.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/2014 11:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:47:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I got curious regarding the discussion of rinsing an outboard using the
garden hose flush port versus muffs on the water inlet so I did some
reading. I had a Yamaha 250 four stroke on one of my outboard boats
and seemed to remember reading something about it.

First of all, it is not recommended that the engine be run while
flushing using the flush port. Yamaha states that *if* your water
supply pressure is sufficient to generate a steady stream from the pee
hole, it's ok to run the engine while flushing at idle RPM and for no
longer than 15 minutes. If the flow is *not* sufficient to generate a
steady pee stream, Yamaha says to use muffs in addition to the flush
port if you want to run the engine.

The flush port injects water after the thermostat which will be closed
if the engine is not running. If somehow water can still get down to
the inlet passages and impeller, the impeller won't be turning (unless
the engine is running, in which case it would simply pump the water back
in the opposite direction), so I don't see how it can be rinsed off.
The impeller would tend to seal off any water from running through it
with the engine not running.

So, I still question if using the flush port thing really does anything
to rinse the water inlet and impeller, extending it's life.

Here's some collaborating information:

http://www.saltawayproducts.com/FlushPortPage.htm

===

I'm not convinced that rinsing the impeller does anything to extend
its life. They are essentially self flushing everytime you use the
engine. Sand and shells do not accumulate in the pump and have
already done their damage as they pass through. Pumps and impellers
are not harmed by salt water corrosion, unlike engine blocks,
manifolds, heads, risers, etc.


True. I think you can get salt deposits within the casing though that
harden and might cause premature wear on a rubber impeller, especially
if you boat in the ocean but trailer the boat home at the end of the
day. My point in this discussion was that using the flush fitting
doesn't necessarily mean you are flushing the inlet passages or impeller
area. The Yamaha outboard I had was equipped with the flush out port
but when I hauled the boat I always flushed it with a muff over the leg
inlet screens.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/14, 11:37 AM, wrote:


You are probably better off to turn on the water,
pressurize the system, then turn it off, let it drain down and repeat
several times.

The other factor is the hose to the flush port is 5MM ID (less than a
quarter inch) so you are not really moving that much water anyway.

If you really want to flush the block, you need to remove the
thermostat, drop the foot and back flush through the thermostat hole
... but you are not going to do that very often.

These are wonderful, time-consuming suggestions for those who are
retired and have little of importance to do, sort of like painting a
ceiling and watching the paint dry.

I especially like the second suggestion.

When I trailered the boats home to wash them after using them, I hooked
one hose up to the fitting and washed the boat and other stuff off with
a second hose, a brush, and soap. When the boat was washed, I simply
turned off the hose to the flush fitting, removed the hose and secured
the fitting.

In the good old days of boating when I was a kid, my boat was kept on a
mooring, about 1000' offshore*, beyond the low tide sandbars. The motor
sat on the boat from late May through the end of September, and only saw
fresh water if I drove the boat to Milford, where my dad's marina was,
and I used a hose there to rinse off the motor's exterior. I used those
boats many days a week in the summer, probably about 75 hours a month,
and at the end of the season, my dad's shop winterized the engine. That
included dropping the lower unit and replacing the impeller. He usually
sold my little boat and motor over the winter, so I got to start anew
the following summer. Hey, it was tough, but someone had to do it.

Here's a photo of the beach where we "summered", but modern-day. A lot
of the old small cottages I remembered have been razed and replaced with
much fancier summer homes.

The tile topped mansion on the right was, when I was a kid, owned by the
Poli family of movie theater fame. The last I heard of it, it was
housing a nunnery. Seriously. :)

http://tinyurl.com/lzlwbsp


* If I wanted to use the boat, at high tide, I rowed out to it in a
dinghy. At low tide, the last sandbar in our cove left me about 200'
from the boat, so I simply swam out to it.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:02:26 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 11:37 AM, wrote:


You are probably better off to turn on the water,
pressurize the system, then turn it off, let it drain down and repeat
several times.

The other factor is the hose to the flush port is 5MM ID (less than a
quarter inch) so you are not really moving that much water anyway.

If you really want to flush the block, you need to remove the
thermostat, drop the foot and back flush through the thermostat hole
... but you are not going to do that very often.

These are wonderful, time-consuming suggestions for those who are
retired and have little of importance to do, sort of like painting a
ceiling and watching the paint dry.

I especially like the second suggestion.

When I trailered the boats home to wash them after using them, I hooked
one hose up to the fitting and washed the boat and other stuff off with
a second hose, a brush, and soap. When the boat was washed, I simply
turned off the hose to the flush fitting, removed the hose and secured
the fitting.

In the good old days of boating when I was a kid, my boat was kept on a
mooring, about 1000' offshore*, beyond the low tide sandbars. The motor
sat on the boat from late May through the end of September, and only saw
fresh water if I drove the boat to Milford, where my dad's marina was,
and I used a hose there to rinse off the motor's exterior. I used those
boats many days a week in the summer, probably about 75 hours a month,
and at the end of the season, my dad's shop winterized the engine. That
included dropping the lower unit and replacing the impeller. He usually
sold my little boat and motor over the winter, so I got to start anew
the following summer. Hey, it was tough, but someone had to do it.

Here's a photo of the beach where we "summered", but modern-day. A lot
of the old small cottages I remembered have been razed and replaced with
much fancier summer homes.

The tile topped mansion on the right was, when I was a kid, owned by the
Poli family of movie theater fame. The last I heard of it, it was
housing a nunnery. Seriously. :)

http://tinyurl.com/lzlwbsp


* If I wanted to use the boat, at high tide, I rowed out to it in a
dinghy. At low tide, the last sandbar in our cove left me about 200'
from the boat, so I simply swam out to it.


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********, Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********, Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:04:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********, Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.

You'd best update your spreadsheet. You're getting a whole ****pot full of facts wrong.

The sparkles are cute. Gives that special name a 'Christmassy' feeling.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/14, 2:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********, Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?





Skipper was far, far more literate and far, far less of an asshole than
Herring. Skippy and I exchanged emails on a back channel that were far
funnier than anything either of us posted here. RIP, Skippy. Alas, he
sold his Bayliner before being able to enjoy a Viking funeral.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********, Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/14, 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:02:26 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 11:37 AM, wrote:


You are probably better off to turn on the water,
pressurize the system, then turn it off, let it drain down and repeat
several times.

The other factor is the hose to the flush port is 5MM ID (less than a
quarter inch) so you are not really moving that much water anyway.

If you really want to flush the block, you need to remove the
thermostat, drop the foot and back flush through the thermostat hole
... but you are not going to do that very often.

These are wonderful, time-consuming suggestions for those who are
retired and have little of importance to do, sort of like painting a
ceiling and watching the paint dry.

I especially like the second suggestion.

The first one is the only way you are actually going to get fresh
water up into the top of the block more than once.
If you want, I can scan the water flow diagram from the shop manual.
The thermostat stops water before it exits the block (that is how it
works).
If the thermostat is closed, you are not going to get circulation
through those passages.


The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard. :)

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/2014 3:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********, Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?



I've forgotten the details of who owned what. If my feeble memory
serves, one had a Bayliner capable of navigating through sudden and
unexpected hurricanes and the other had a Hatteras or something
equipped with Corinthian leather covered couches. Or maybe he owned a
'75 Chrysler Cordoba. Maybe it was Ricardo Montalban who owned the
Hatteras. Can't remember. Who ever it was sold it for a handsome
profit IIRC.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:03:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2014 3:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********, Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?



I've forgotten the details of who owned what. If my feeble memory
serves, one had a Bayliner capable of navigating through sudden and
unexpected hurricanes and the other had a Hatteras or something
equipped with Corinthian leather covered couches. Or maybe he owned a
'75 Chrysler Cordoba. Maybe it was Ricardo Montalban who owned the
Hatteras. Can't remember. Who ever it was sold it for a handsome
profit IIRC.


Ah yes, the Corinthian leather. There are so many good stories right here in rec.boats. It's a shame
we don't have a historian.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/14, 4:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 3:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********,
Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it
probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?



I've forgotten the details of who owned what. If my feeble memory
serves, one had a Bayliner capable of navigating through sudden and
unexpected hurricanes and the other had a Hatteras or something
equipped with Corinthian leather covered couches. Or maybe he owned a
'75 Chrysler Cordoba. Maybe it was Ricardo Montalban who owned the
Hatteras. Can't remember. Who ever it was sold it for a handsome
profit IIRC.



You boys have no shame. Whatever my differences with Dave, he was a
decent writer and contributor on on-topic subjects to rec.boats. Herring
is neither. I have no idea of why you are making fun of his memory here.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/2014 4:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 4:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 3:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********,
Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less
eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it
probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?



I've forgotten the details of who owned what. If my feeble memory
serves, one had a Bayliner capable of navigating through sudden and
unexpected hurricanes and the other had a Hatteras or something
equipped with Corinthian leather covered couches. Or maybe he owned a
'75 Chrysler Cordoba. Maybe it was Ricardo Montalban who owned the
Hatteras. Can't remember. Who ever it was sold it for a handsome
profit IIRC.



You boys have no shame. Whatever my differences with Dave, he was a
decent writer and contributor on on-topic subjects to rec.boats. Herring
is neither. I have no idea of why you are making fun of his memory here.


I doubt Skipper (wherever he is) would object to a little humor here
and there.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:17:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 4:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 3:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********,
Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it
probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?



I've forgotten the details of who owned what. If my feeble memory
serves, one had a Bayliner capable of navigating through sudden and
unexpected hurricanes and the other had a Hatteras or something
equipped with Corinthian leather covered couches. Or maybe he owned a
'75 Chrysler Cordoba. Maybe it was Ricardo Montalban who owned the
Hatteras. Can't remember. Who ever it was sold it for a handsome
profit IIRC.



You boys have no shame. Whatever my differences with Dave, he was a
decent writer and contributor on on-topic subjects to rec.boats. Herring
is neither. I have no idea of why you are making fun of his memory here.

Trust me, FOAD, it's not Skipper who's being made fun of.

Nice try though!

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:03:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2014 3:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********, Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?



I've forgotten the details of who owned what. If my feeble memory
serves, one had a Bayliner capable of navigating through sudden and
unexpected hurricanes and the other had a Hatteras or something
equipped with Corinthian leather covered couches. Or maybe he owned a
'75 Chrysler Cordoba. Maybe it was Ricardo Montalban who owned the
Hatteras. Can't remember. Who ever it was sold it for a handsome
profit IIRC.


===

Of course, we all know that most boats are sold at a profit.

I don't remember Skipper mentioning hurricanes but he did tell a story
about "Sudden Onset Tostitos" or something like that. I understand
that the IRS is trying to sell an old clapped out Hatteras with
Corinthian leather seats. Supposedly they seized it to satisfy
certain unpaid judgements in Jacksonville, FL.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard.

===

That would be just the thing to spruce up that low transom of yours.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:

I got curious regarding the discussion of rinsing an outboard using
the garden hose flush port versus muffs on the water inlet so I did
some reading. I had a Yamaha 250 four stroke on one of my outboard
boats and seemed to remember reading something about it.

First of all, it is not recommended that the engine be run while
flushing using the flush port. Yamaha states that *if* your water
supply pressure is sufficient to generate a steady stream from the pee
hole, it's ok to run the engine while flushing at idle RPM and for no
longer than 15 minutes. If the flow is *not* sufficient to generate
a steady pee stream, Yamaha says to use muffs in addition to the
flush port if you want to run the engine.

The flush port injects water after the thermostat which will be closed
if the engine is not running. If somehow water can still get down to
the inlet passages and impeller, the impeller won't be turning (unless
the engine is running, in which case it would simply pump the water
back in the opposite direction), so I don't see how it can be rinsed
off. The impeller would tend to seal off any water from running
through it with the engine not running.

So, I still question if using the flush port thing really does
anything to rinse the water inlet and impeller, extending it's life.

Here's some collaborating information:

http://www.saltawayproducts.com/FlushPortPage.htm
I don't trust the port and always use the muffs and run the engine.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 11:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:47:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I got curious regarding the discussion of rinsing an outboard using the
garden hose flush port versus muffs on the water inlet so I did some
reading. I had a Yamaha 250 four stroke on one of my outboard boats
and seemed to remember reading something about it.

First of all, it is not recommended that the engine be run while
flushing using the flush port. Yamaha states that *if* your water
supply pressure is sufficient to generate a steady stream from the pee
hole, it's ok to run the engine while flushing at idle RPM and for no
longer than 15 minutes. If the flow is *not* sufficient to generate a
steady pee stream, Yamaha says to use muffs in addition to the flush
port if you want to run the engine.

The flush port injects water after the thermostat which will be closed
if the engine is not running. If somehow water can still get down to
the inlet passages and impeller, the impeller won't be turning (unless
the engine is running, in which case it would simply pump the water
back
in the opposite direction), so I don't see how it can be rinsed off.
The impeller would tend to seal off any water from running through it
with the engine not running.

So, I still question if using the flush port thing really does
anything
to rinse the water inlet and impeller, extending it's life.

Here's some collaborating information:

http://www.saltawayproducts.com/FlushPortPage.htm

===

I'm not convinced that rinsing the impeller does anything to extend
its life. They are essentially self flushing everytime you use the
engine. Sand and shells do not accumulate in the pump and have
already done their damage as they pass through. Pumps and impellers
are not harmed by salt water corrosion, unlike engine blocks,
manifolds, heads, risers, etc.


True. I think you can get salt deposits within the casing though that
harden and might cause premature wear on a rubber impeller, especially
if you boat in the ocean but trailer the boat home at the end of the
day. My point in this discussion was that using the flush fitting
doesn't necessarily mean you are flushing the inlet passages or
impeller area. The Yamaha outboard I had was equipped with the flush
out port but when I hauled the boat I always flushed it with a muff
over the leg inlet screens.




Yup. Better safe than sorry as they say.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********,
Missouri, or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.
"I'm just trying to fit in as much as my digestive track allows with the
right-wing slime whose almost entire reason for existence here is to
ridicule, mock, and taunt."

Rinsing an ouboard
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 3:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********,
Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less
eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it
probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?



I've forgotten the details of who owned what. If my feeble memory
serves, one had a Bayliner capable of navigating through sudden and
unexpected hurricanes and the other had a Hatteras or something
equipped with Corinthian leather covered couches. Or maybe he owned a
'75 Chrysler Cordoba. Maybe it was Ricardo Montalban who owned the
Hatteras. Can't remember. Who ever it was sold it for a handsome
profit IIRC.


Always a handsome profit.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 4:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 3:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2014 2:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


You are just so, so special, FOAD. That must be why you added the
sparkles to FOAD. It's more
fitting for one of your unique 'specialness'.



It's not my fault I didn't grow up on a dirt farm in ********,
Missouri,
or Nebraska, or wherever it was you transmogrified from
a fetus into a racist.


The exchanges between you and John are becoming reminiscent of the old
Skipper/Harry wars of the late 1990's although a little less
eloquent in
style and substance.

So which of you are going to fess up to owning a Bayliner?


Since I'm a member of the 'right wing boatless assholes' crowd, it
probably won't be me!

Does Bayliner make a twin-Volvo-diesel powered trawler?



I've forgotten the details of who owned what. If my feeble memory
serves, one had a Bayliner capable of navigating through sudden and
unexpected hurricanes and the other had a Hatteras or something
equipped with Corinthian leather covered couches. Or maybe he owned a
'75 Chrysler Cordoba. Maybe it was Ricardo Montalban who owned the
Hatteras. Can't remember. Who ever it was sold it for a handsome
profit IIRC.



You boys have no shame. Whatever my differences with Dave, he was a
decent writer and contributor on on-topic subjects to rec.boats.
Herring is neither. I have no idea of why you are making fun of his
memory here.
"I'm just trying to fit in as much as my digestive track allows with the
right-wing slime whose almost entire reason for existence here is to
ridicule, mock, and taunt."

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard. :)

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard. :)

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how to do
something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/15/14, 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:36:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard. :)

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how to do
something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.

I do understand that you buy a boat, park it somewhere, pay someone
else a lot of money to keep it running, seldom use it and sell it for
a huge loss.

I use my boat and I maintain it well enough that it will run for
hundreds of hours a year with minimal to zero problems.


Yeah, I've seen photos of your pontoon boat. No thanks.

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years, maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price. Around here, Parkers
are great boats to buy because there is a strong market for used ones,
and it usually does not take long to sell one and at a good price.

I've never boated where pontoon boats are popular.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/15/14, 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:09:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years,

You have a lot of "boats" looking to buy your boat?
That must be one pretty boat.


maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price.

So you are just a boat dealer, not a real boater.

Buy one, park it in the driveway and try to dump it before it loses
too much value.

Again I ask, what is your per (running) hour maintenance bill?
Since you imply you do a "100" hour once a year I am guessing you
actually run less than that so I see it at a minimum of $4 an hour and
probably closer to $8.
A 100 hour is generally $400 and up, based on what I read on the real
boat BB, depending on how many parts you throw at it.

An outboard will generally lose about a third of it's value as soon as
you drive it off the lot. (certainly within a year anyway).
That is based on what we heard from several brokers when my neighbor's
wife tried to sell his pristine boat after his death.
I ran the YDS on it and he had 150 hours on it.


Again, I have no idea what the per hour maintenance bill was for my
outboard boats and, again, I don't give a ****. I don't usually apply
cost-benefit analysis to toys.

Brokers have an incentive to get you to sell your boat at a price that
will generate the fastest sale. IF you have a well-maintained boat that
is in short supply and that people want, you can get a better price,
usually a much better price. Parkers do very well up here. I don't know
anything about the old, well-used pontoon boat market is like in SW
Florida.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

On 3/15/2014 11:09 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/15/14, 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:36:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha
outboard. :)

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer
look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how to do
something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.

I do understand that you buy a boat, park it somewhere, pay someone
else a lot of money to keep it running, seldom use it and sell it for
a huge loss.

I use my boat and I maintain it well enough that it will run for
hundreds of hours a year with minimal to zero problems.


Yeah, I've seen photos of your pontoon boat. No thanks.

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years, maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price. Around here, Parkers
are great boats to buy because there is a strong market for used ones,
and it usually does not take long to sell one and at a good price.

I've never boated where pontoon boats are popular.


You remind me of my brother. He buys a car thinking it's a financial
investment. Most people buy boats to enjoy.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha
outboard. :)

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how to
do something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.
Like paying taxes, eh?

Rinsing an ouboard
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/15/14, 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:36:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha
outboard. :)

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer
look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service
yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how
to do
something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.

I do understand that you buy a boat, park it somewhere, pay someone
else a lot of money to keep it running, seldom use it and sell it for
a huge loss.

I use my boat and I maintain it well enough that it will run for
hundreds of hours a year with minimal to zero problems.


Yeah, I've seen photos of your pontoon boat. No thanks.

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years, maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price. Around here,
Parkers are great boats to buy because there is a strong market for
used ones, and it usually does not take long to sell one and at a good
price.

I've never boated where pontoon boats are popular.
You sell boats to boats? I thought you said you were a professional
writer before you stopped paying taxes.

Rinsing an ouboard
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/15/14, 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:09:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years,

You have a lot of "boats" looking to buy your boat?
That must be one pretty boat.


maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price.

So you are just a boat dealer, not a real boater.

Buy one, park it in the driveway and try to dump it before it loses
too much value.

Again I ask, what is your per (running) hour maintenance bill?
Since you imply you do a "100" hour once a year I am guessing you
actually run less than that so I see it at a minimum of $4 an hour and
probably closer to $8.
A 100 hour is generally $400 and up, based on what I read on the real
boat BB, depending on how many parts you throw at it.

An outboard will generally lose about a third of it's value as soon as
you drive it off the lot. (certainly within a year anyway).
That is based on what we heard from several brokers when my neighbor's
wife tried to sell his pristine boat after his death.
I ran the YDS on it and he had 150 hours on it.


Again, I have no idea what the per hour maintenance bill was for my
outboard boats and, again, I don't give a ****. I don't usually apply
cost-benefit analysis to toys.

Brokers have an incentive to get you to sell your boat at a price that
will generate the fastest sale. IF you have a well-maintained boat
that is in short supply and that people want, you can get a better
price, usually a much better price. Parkers do very well up here. I
don't know anything about the old, well-used pontoon boat market is
like in SW Florida.
I'm thinking of all of the toys (aside from my two boats) that I could
get if I didn't pay taxes like you. A Ferrari would be an easy purchase
or maybe a small airplane....