Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Friday, March 7, 2014 12:22:50 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 21:15:40 -0800 (PST), Tim

wrote:



You could easily add floats to a quad rotor. Just use a couple sticks



of small "swim noodle". It doesn't even need to have a hydrodynamic



shape like a plane



I wonder how it would effect the 'lift' and other basic aerodynamics. Might even make it tough to get it out of the water...



I imagine that as long as you didn't interrupt the rotor wash, it

would work fine. They don't really "push" as much as "pull" anyway.

True Greg, but they're really not that powerful either. and getting the little noodly feet out of the water has a bit of a vacuum pull unlike taking off from dry land. Oh well. I'd work...

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On 3/7/2014 5:43 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Are you off your meds again?

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:47:29 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 17:50:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

WA smart one would just go home if the uplink was jammed.



That's if the jamming doesn't cause it to crash first. Based on the
videos I've seen of those things, they react very quickly to control
inputs, or lack of.

As Wayne mentioned I suspect that if the RC craze continues and more
incidents of "spying" in a neighbor's back yard occur some restrictions
will be legislated on their use. It's one thing for Google to be
taking static satellite photos augmented with aircraft/helicopter images
to generate maps of the entire world. But a "hobbyist" purposely
targeting someone's backyard or house from 200 feet and video recording
the "visit" is another thing altogether, plus the annoyance of having it
and it's noise hovering in your yard. Given the lack of federal (FAA)
regulations and state regulations many towns have already enacted
ordinances governing their use. It's common sense.

It might be illegal to down one by shooting it but who's going to prove
you jammed it?



It just depends on how smart the drone is. If it has a processor and a
GPS on board, it will default to going home if it loses the up link.

These things are really pretty quiet. If you didn't look up, you might
not even know it was up there unless it was very low.

Many of them have GPS on board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vmdG2wE7pY

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 04:28:54 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Friday, March 7, 2014 12:22:50 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 21:15:40 -0800 (PST), Tim

wrote:



You could easily add floats to a quad rotor. Just use a couple sticks



of small "swim noodle". It doesn't even need to have a hydrodynamic



shape like a plane



I wonder how it would effect the 'lift' and other basic aerodynamics. Might even make it tough to get it out of the water...



I imagine that as long as you didn't interrupt the rotor wash, it

would work fine. They don't really "push" as much as "pull" anyway.

True Greg, but they're really not that powerful either. and getting the little noodly feet out of the water has a bit of a vacuum pull unlike taking off from dry land. Oh well. I'd work...

Those things are more powerful than you think. They mount some pretty heavy cameras to them on
gimbal mounts. Even that little one of mine is powerful enough to carry a camera.

http://tinyurl.com/o6yn4nb

This one uses those expensive homemade floats (plastic water bottles), and seems to do quite well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrArOJUlE0E

Or, if you're hunting for fish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSSzL3YSO8

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:23:23 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.

I still wonder how they'd work against these new frequency hopping transmitters.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On 3/7/14, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

Pointing a laser at an aircraft is specifically illegal. The law is
written broadly enough that it probably applies to a drone

I still like my slug of water. The only place a squirt gun will get
you arrested is within 1000 feet of a school. You can get suspended
for pointing your finger like a gun in this twisted society tho.,



The annoying kiddie copter will have to be flying damned low to be shot
down by a pistol. Perhaps a powerful pump and nozzle will do the trick.

When I was a teenybopper, I thought slot cars and the commercial slot
car track was the cat's pj's.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 11:58:16 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

Pointing a laser at an aircraft is specifically illegal. The law is
written broadly enough that it probably applies to a drone

I still like my slug of water. The only place a squirt gun will get
you arrested is within 1000 feet of a school. You can get suspended
for pointing your finger like a gun in this twisted society tho.,



The annoying kiddie copter will have to be flying damned low to be shot
down by a pistol. Perhaps a powerful pump and nozzle will do the trick.

When I was a teenybopper, I thought slot cars and the commercial slot
car track was the cat's pj's.

He described his idea a few posts ago. Good idea too.

Or, were you talking about one of these: http://tinyurl.com/luyqw4q

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On 3/7/14, 12:26 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.


I have a steady grip. I've never used a laser pointer on a pistol, but I
do have a red dot sight I can use on the one semi-auto pistol I've kept.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On 3/7/14, 12:35 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 11:58:16 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

Pointing a laser at an aircraft is specifically illegal. The law is
written broadly enough that it probably applies to a drone

I still like my slug of water. The only place a squirt gun will get
you arrested is within 1000 feet of a school. You can get suspended
for pointing your finger like a gun in this twisted society tho.,



The annoying kiddie copter will have to be flying damned low to be shot
down by a pistol. Perhaps a powerful pump and nozzle will do the trick.

When I was a teenybopper, I thought slot cars and the commercial slot
car track was the cat's pj's.

He described his idea a few posts ago. Good idea too.

Or, were you talking about one of these: http://tinyurl.com/luyqw4q


Nah, I have no use for a pocket pistol.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On 3/7/14, 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 11:58:16 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 11:51 AM, wrote:

I still like my slug of water. The only place a squirt gun will get
you arrested is within 1000 feet of a school. You can get suspended
for pointing your finger like a gun in this twisted society tho.,



The annoying kiddie copter will have to be flying damned low to be shot
down by a pistol. Perhaps a powerful pump and nozzle will do the trick.

When I was a teenybopper, I thought slot cars and the commercial slot
car track was the cat's pj's.

Have you ever seen those Belagio water cannons?
It is not just a nozzle and a pump. They have a column of water in a
pipe and they dump a large amount of high pressure air in there to
shoot it out. (The History Channel did a show on it)
The one I made was 3" PVC barrel and one of those bladder tanks like
you use on a well pump (the bladder was shot but the tank was still
OK)
If I put ~100 PSI in that sucker and let it go with a sprinkler
solenoid valve that slug of water would go 60+ feet, pretty much as a
single "bullet". I imagine I could increase the range by necking it
down to 2".

I have made a few air cannons. They are actually fun to play with. I
made one that would shoot an orange well over 100 yards (not sure
exactly how far because it was on the other side of the river). That
was 150 PSI in a Freon tank.


I remember the fountains at the Bellagio and that the joint had an
almost decent buffet for something like $25. I've been to Vegas too many
times, always in connection with union meetings, and it probably is one
place I won't mind ever not visiting again. I preferred Vegas when the
mob ran it.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:48:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 12:26 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.


I have a steady grip. I've never used a laser pointer on a pistol, but I
do have a red dot sight I can use on the one semi-auto pistol I've kept.

Well, there you go. I still can't keep that red dot in one spot at ten yards. It moves around. I'd
like to get steady, like you are, but I'll need to practice.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On 3/7/14, 1:01 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:48:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 12:26 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.


I have a steady grip. I've never used a laser pointer on a pistol, but I
do have a red dot sight I can use on the one semi-auto pistol I've kept.

Well, there you go. I still can't keep that red dot in one spot at ten yards. It moves around. I'd
like to get steady, like you are, but I'll need to practice.


I doubt I could keep a laser pointer very steady, either...too much
compensating for minute movements, I think. Much easier using a red dot
to sight in on a target, though I admit that the purposes of a red dot
vs. a laser sight are not the same.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 13:10:21 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:01 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:48:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 12:26 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.


I have a steady grip. I've never used a laser pointer on a pistol, but I
do have a red dot sight I can use on the one semi-auto pistol I've kept.

Well, there you go. I still can't keep that red dot in one spot at ten yards. It moves around. I'd
like to get steady, like you are, but I'll need to practice.


I doubt I could keep a laser pointer very steady, either...too much
compensating for minute movements, I think. Much easier using a red dot
to sight in on a target, though I admit that the purposes of a red dot
vs. a laser sight are not the same.



This? http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/...t/Micro%20H-1/

Do you use it on your carry pistol also?

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On 3/7/14, 1:28 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 13:10:21 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:01 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:48:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 12:26 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.


I have a steady grip. I've never used a laser pointer on a pistol, but I
do have a red dot sight I can use on the one semi-auto pistol I've kept.

Well, there you go. I still can't keep that red dot in one spot at ten yards. It moves around. I'd
like to get steady, like you are, but I'll need to practice.


I doubt I could keep a laser pointer very steady, either...too much
compensating for minute movements, I think. Much easier using a red dot
to sight in on a target, though I admit that the purposes of a red dot
vs. a laser sight are not the same.



This? http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/...t/Micro%20H-1/

Do you use it on your carry pistol also?



Similar in concept, but much, much cheaper. About $80 or so.
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight

I just use it to fool around with...some guys use one to hunt game. I
hunt game at the supermarket...no firearms needed.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 15:28:25 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:28 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 13:10:21 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:01 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:48:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 12:26 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.


I have a steady grip. I've never used a laser pointer on a pistol, but I
do have a red dot sight I can use on the one semi-auto pistol I've kept.

Well, there you go. I still can't keep that red dot in one spot at ten yards. It moves around. I'd
like to get steady, like you are, but I'll need to practice.


I doubt I could keep a laser pointer very steady, either...too much
compensating for minute movements, I think. Much easier using a red dot
to sight in on a target, though I admit that the purposes of a red dot
vs. a laser sight are not the same.



This? http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/...t/Micro%20H-1/

Do you use it on your carry pistol also?



Similar in concept, but much, much cheaper. About $80 or so.
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight

I just use it to fool around with...some guys use one to hunt game. I
hunt game at the supermarket...no firearms needed.

And you mount that on a pistol?

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Friday, March 7, 2014 9:21:00 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:


True Greg, but they're really not that powerful either. and getting the little noodly feet out of the water has a bit of a vacuum pull unlike taking off from dry land. Oh well. I'd work...



Those things are more powerful than you think. They mount some pretty heavy cameras to them on

gimbal mounts. Even that little one of mine is powerful enough to carry a camera.



http://tinyurl.com/o6yn4nb



This one uses those expensive homemade floats (plastic water bottles), and seems to do quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrArOJUlE0E



Or, if you're hunting for fish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSSzL3YSO8

WOW!

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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:51:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Friday, March 7, 2014 9:21:00 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:


True Greg, but they're really not that powerful either. and getting the little noodly feet out of the water has a bit of a vacuum pull unlike taking off from dry land. Oh well. I'd work...



Those things are more powerful than you think. They mount some pretty heavy cameras to them on

gimbal mounts. Even that little one of mine is powerful enough to carry a camera.



http://tinyurl.com/o6yn4nb



This one uses those expensive homemade floats (plastic water bottles), and seems to do quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrArOJUlE0E



Or, if you're hunting for fish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSSzL3YSO8

WOW!

I was impressed that the whole mess wasn't shorted out.

Greg, if you're watching...water doesn't seem to hurt 'em much. Maybe a slug will have a better
effect.

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On 3/7/14, 5:31 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 15:28:25 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:28 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 13:10:21 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:01 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:48:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 12:26 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.


I have a steady grip. I've never used a laser pointer on a pistol, but I
do have a red dot sight I can use on the one semi-auto pistol I've kept.

Well, there you go. I still can't keep that red dot in one spot at ten yards. It moves around. I'd
like to get steady, like you are, but I'll need to practice.


I doubt I could keep a laser pointer very steady, either...too much
compensating for minute movements, I think. Much easier using a red dot
to sight in on a target, though I admit that the purposes of a red dot
vs. a laser sight are not the same.



This? http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/...t/Micro%20H-1/

Do you use it on your carry pistol also?



Similar in concept, but much, much cheaper. About $80 or so.
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight

I just use it to fool around with...some guys use one to hunt game. I
hunt game at the supermarket...no firearms needed.

And you mount that on a pistol?


Absolutely. This isn't my rig, but it looks very much like this:

http://tinyurl.com/kcken5u

I have a very similar pistol with the identical mounting rail.

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 17:31:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Similar in concept, but much, much cheaper. About $80 or so.
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight

I just use it to fool around with...some guys use one to hunt game. I
hunt game at the supermarket...no firearms needed.

And you mount that on a pistol?

===

Most of the guys that I shoot with are using that or one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/NcSTAR-Sight-T.../dp/B001COQOZI

For rapid fire 22 I prefer the NcSTAR. Prices have come down a lot
since I got mine.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 19:09:27 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 17:31:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Similar in concept, but much, much cheaper. About $80 or so.
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight

I just use it to fool around with...some guys use one to hunt game. I
hunt game at the supermarket...no firearms needed.

And you mount that on a pistol?

===

Most of the guys that I shoot with are using that or one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/NcSTAR-Sight-T.../dp/B001COQOZI

For rapid fire 22 I prefer the NcSTAR. Prices have come down a lot
since I got mine.


Thanks. I think I'll just stick with the regular sights. I don't see how that thing would mount to
my Sig without drilling some screw holes or putting a contraption on the existing under-barrel
mount.

Quadcopters, Video Cameras, etc.
 

On 3/7/14, 8:02 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 19:09:27 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 17:31:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Similar in concept, but much, much cheaper. About $80 or so.
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight

I just use it to fool around with...some guys use one to hunt game. I
hunt game at the supermarket...no firearms needed.

And you mount that on a pistol?

===

Most of the guys that I shoot with are using that or one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/NcSTAR-Sight-T.../dp/B001COQOZI

For rapid fire 22 I prefer the NcSTAR. Prices have come down a lot
since I got mine.


Thanks. I think I'll just stick with the regular sights. I don't see how that thing would mount to
my Sig without drilling some screw holes or putting a contraption on the existing under-barrel
mount.



The Ruger Mark III I occasionally use with the red dot sight has three
small machine screws drilled into the top of the barrel. When you remove
those screws, you can place a top-mount rail and screw it down with the
three screws that come with the rail. The rail does not interfere with
sighting with the pistol's rear and forward sights.

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 20:02:16 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 19:09:27 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 17:31:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Similar in concept, but much, much cheaper. About $80 or so.
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight

I just use it to fool around with...some guys use one to hunt game. I
hunt game at the supermarket...no firearms needed.

And you mount that on a pistol?

===

Most of the guys that I shoot with are using that or one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/NcSTAR-Sight-T.../dp/B001COQOZI

For rapid fire 22 I prefer the NcSTAR. Prices have come down a lot
since I got mine.


Thanks. I think I'll just stick with the regular sights. I don't see how that thing would mount to
my Sig without drilling some screw holes or putting a contraption on the existing under-barrel
mount.

===

You'd probably have to take it to a gunsmith and have the top of the
barrel drilled and tapped for a Weaver rail. I had that done for one
of my High Standard 22s and it was not that bad a job. Sometimes if
you look closely you'll find that the barrel has already been drilled
and tapped with small dummy screws inserted. My Ruger III is like
that.

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:05:34 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 20:02:16 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 19:09:27 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 17:31:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Similar in concept, but much, much cheaper. About $80 or so.
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight

I just use it to fool around with...some guys use one to hunt game. I
hunt game at the supermarket...no firearms needed.

And you mount that on a pistol?

===

Most of the guys that I shoot with are using that or one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/NcSTAR-Sight-T.../dp/B001COQOZI

For rapid fire 22 I prefer the NcSTAR. Prices have come down a lot
since I got mine.


Thanks. I think I'll just stick with the regular sights. I don't see how that thing would mount to
my Sig without drilling some screw holes or putting a contraption on the existing under-barrel
mount.

===

You'd probably have to take it to a gunsmith and have the top of the
barrel drilled and tapped for a Weaver rail. I had that done for one
of my High Standard 22s and it was not that bad a job. Sometimes if
you look closely you'll find that the barrel has already been drilled
and tapped with small dummy screws inserted. My Ruger III is like
that.

Nope, no dummy screws in the Sig P226. I'll just have to practice more with the laser to steady up
the grip.

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:39:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

I'll just have to practice more with the laser to steady up
the grip.

===

Your stance, breathing and arms play into steadiness just as much as
your grip. Working on arm strength with 10 lb barbells can help
also. You will always have some "wobble" and it increases as you hold
on target longer. I like to do a full exhale and hold it as I bring
the gun up. As you push forward on your trigger arm, and pull back
with your supporting arm, there should be a brief moment when your
wobble noticably decreases. That's when you want to squeeze off the
shot.

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:52:18 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:39:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

I'll just have to practice more with the laser to steady up
the grip.

===

Your stance, breathing and arms play into steadiness just as much as
your grip. Working on arm strength with 10 lb barbells can help
also. You will always have some "wobble" and it increases as you hold
on target longer. I like to do a full exhale and hold it as I bring
the gun up. As you push forward on your trigger arm, and pull back
with your supporting arm, there should be a brief moment when your
wobble noticably decreases. That's when you want to squeeze off the
shot.

You sound like the guy I went to for instruction.

Don't you need to visit the Smithsonian or have a conversation with your congressman or something up
in this neck of the woods?

Then I could take you to Sharpshooters with me!

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On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 01:42:27 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 18:18:47 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:51:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Friday, March 7, 2014 9:21:00 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:



I was impressed that the whole mess wasn't shorted out.

Greg, if you're watching...water doesn't seem to hurt 'em much. Maybe a slug will have a better
effect.

He found it and retrieved the data card but I am not sure it ever flew
again.

I got data off a cell phone we found in the surf at the beach but the
phone was trash.

From the 'Comments' under the video:


Demunseed
I am totally SHOCKED that the DJI continued to operate itself (and its electronics) UNDER WATER!!!
Not to mention the length of video you got out of that gopro! Soooo.... did you ever dry it out and
get it working again? I've heard of it working before after "swimming with the fishies"?

Reply ·

FlippedSociety
We were equally amazed!
We had to replace all motors and control boards and yes it did work again. Fortunately those are the
cheapest parts of the Phantom.
Almost drowned trying to free dive down to find it. Took me about 20 dives. If I had known the
lights were working, might have been easier to find that night in the dark.

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On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 08:12:30 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:52:18 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:39:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

I'll just have to practice more with the laser to steady up
the grip.

===

Your stance, breathing and arms play into steadiness just as much as
your grip. Working on arm strength with 10 lb barbells can help
also. You will always have some "wobble" and it increases as you hold
on target longer. I like to do a full exhale and hold it as I bring
the gun up. As you push forward on your trigger arm, and pull back
with your supporting arm, there should be a brief moment when your
wobble noticably decreases. That's when you want to squeeze off the
shot.

You sound like the guy I went to for instruction.

Don't you need to visit the Smithsonian or have a conversation with your congressman or something up
in this neck of the woods?

Then I could take you to Sharpshooters with me!

===

The weather's pretty nice in Florida right now. :-)

If you come on down you might get a boat ride as well. Don't bring
YKW however. He doesn't like SWFL.

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On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 12:31:02 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 08:16:20 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 01:42:27 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 18:18:47 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:51:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Friday, March 7, 2014 9:21:00 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:



I was impressed that the whole mess wasn't shorted out.

Greg, if you're watching...water doesn't seem to hurt 'em much. Maybe a slug will have a better
effect.

He found it and retrieved the data card but I am not sure it ever flew
again.

I got data off a cell phone we found in the surf at the beach but the
phone was trash.

From the 'Comments' under the video:


Demunseed
I am totally SHOCKED that the DJI continued to operate itself (and its electronics) UNDER WATER!!!
Not to mention the length of video you got out of that gopro! Soooo.... did you ever dry it out and
get it working again? I've heard of it working before after "swimming with the fishies"?

Reply ·

FlippedSociety
We were equally amazed!
We had to replace all motors and control boards and yes it did work again. Fortunately those are the
cheapest parts of the Phantom.
Almost drowned trying to free dive down to find it. Took me about 20 dives. If I had known the
lights were working, might have been easier to find that night in the dark.

What else is there if the motors and control boards were bad?
The plastic parts?

Motors and boards are pretty cheap.