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In a shooting forum discussion on pellet size for home defense with a shotgun:

"I figure that one shot with #4 three inch turkey shot will make 2 people out of one and 2 shots at
the same person with the same load will make a crowd out of him."

Good enough for me.

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On Friday, February 14, 2014 12:10:11 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
In a shooting forum discussion on pellet size for home defense with a shotgun:



"I figure that one shot with #4 three inch turkey shot will make 2 people out of one and 2 shots at

the same person with the same load will make a crowd out of him."



Good enough for me.

John. a 12 ga. loaded with about anything would be good.

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On Friday, February 14, 2014 2:18:10 PM UTC-6, wrote:
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Mr%20Ed%20scientist.jpgOn Fri, 14 Feb 2014

10:32:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:



On Friday, February 14, 2014 12:10:11 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote:

In a shooting forum discussion on pellet size for home defense with a shotgun:







"I figure that one shot with #4 three inch turkey shot will make 2 people out of one and 2 shots at



the same person with the same load will make a crowd out of him."







Good enough for me.



John. a 12 ga. loaded with about anything would be good.



That is true. Even shooting #9s will be hitting just about as hard as

00B at typical "house" ranges, given the same weight of load.

It will just be a little messier in the autopsy trying to recover all

of that shot.

Autopsy from a shotgun blast, Greg?

I'd say the coroner would just look up the phrase "shotgun" and make a check mark. End of autopsy.



When larger shot sizes start to make a difference is out around 8-10

yards and beyond when the pattern is dinner plate size and larger. If

you only hit with 20% of your pattern, you want those pellets to each

have some punch.



You certainly have some serious "use of force" questions if you are

shooting at someone 40 feet away. They better be shooting back.

Make sure he's not a black kid wearing a hoodie and eating a bag of skittles too!

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In article ,
says...


It will be interesting to see how the movie popcorn guy makes out vs
Dunn. He shot a white guy.
I am actually surprised an ex police chief got charged 20 miles from
his patch.


They'll both go down.
Juries usually get it right when they have eye-witnesses.

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On Friday, February 14, 2014 1:10:11 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

"I figure that one shot with #4 three inch turkey shot will make 2 people out of one and 2 shots at

the same person with the same load will make a crowd out of him."



Good enough for me.

SSGs John....perfect for cutting through things.

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In article , says...

In a shooting forum discussion on pellet size for home defense with a shotgun:

"I figure that one shot with #4 three inch turkey shot will make 2 people out of one and 2 shots at
the same person with the same load will make a crowd out of him."

Good enough for me.

Just go with 12 gauge, 00 buck and be done with it. When you think of the distances you have
to shoot within your house you will find that you aren't shooting that far. My house is 50
feet across the back from the family room fireplace, through the kitchen and through the door
to the dinning room wall. Call it 15 yards.

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 20:05:28 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

In a shooting forum discussion on pellet size for home defense with a shotgun:

"I figure that one shot with #4 three inch turkey shot will make 2 people out of one and 2 shots at
the same person with the same load will make a crowd out of him."

Good enough for me.

Just go with 12 gauge, 00 buck and be done with it. When you think of the distances you have
to shoot within your house you will find that you aren't shooting that far. My house is 50
feet across the back from the family room fireplace, through the kitchen and through the door
to the dinning room wall. Call it 15 yards.


Friend has a 16 gauge. I don't think they make 00 buck for 16 gauge, but I don't know what the
largest shot is for that gauge.

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 20:19:13 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Just go with 12 gauge, 00 buck and be done with it. When you think of the distances you have
to shoot within your house you will find that you aren't shooting that far. My house is 50
feet across the back from the family room fireplace, through the kitchen and through the door
to the dinning room wall. Call it 15 yards.


Friend has a 16 gauge. I don't think they make 00 buck for 16 gauge, but I don't know what the
largest shot is for that gauge.

===

The problem with 00 buck is wall penetration. Bird shot is not as
likely to kill a neighbor or someone in the next room.

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On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:19:13 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 20:05:28 -0500, BAR wrote:



In article , says...



In a shooting forum discussion on pellet size for home defense with a shotgun:



"I figure that one shot with #4 three inch turkey shot will make 2 people out of one and 2 shots at

the same person with the same load will make a crowd out of him."



Good enough for me.



Just go with 12 gauge, 00 buck and be done with it. When you think of the distances you have

to shoot within your house you will find that you aren't shooting that far. My house is 50

feet across the back from the family room fireplace, through the kitchen and through the door

to the dinning room wall. Call it 15 yards.





Friend has a 16 gauge. I don't think they make 00 buck for 16 gauge,

sure do. Deer slugs too!

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:49:36 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:19:13 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 20:05:28 -0500, BAR wrote:



In article , says...



In a shooting forum discussion on pellet size for home defense with a shotgun:



"I figure that one shot with #4 three inch turkey shot will make 2 people out of one and 2 shots at

the same person with the same load will make a crowd out of him."



Good enough for me.



Just go with 12 gauge, 00 buck and be done with it. When you think of the distances you have

to shoot within your house you will find that you aren't shooting that far. My house is 50

feet across the back from the family room fireplace, through the kitchen and through the door

to the dinning room wall. Call it 15 yards.





Friend has a 16 gauge. I don't think they make 00 buck for 16 gauge,

sure do. Deer slugs too!

I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know
- even 0 would be fine.

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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 01:31:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:39:36 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know
- even 0 would be fine.

Federal loads #1 buck in 16 ga. That should do the trick.
From a legal standpoint you might be better off with bird shot tho.

Not me, but a friend who lives out in Nokesville (close to the Prince William Golf Course). Used to
be country, but the townhouses are marching his way. Once they march across Vint Hill Road he won't
have much time left before he's surrounded. I came across an article suggesting that #4 buckshot
would be a decent short range load. But I can't find any on the net. I'd like to get him a box (five
rounds) of #4 or larger pellet size.

For some reason he seems to be getting antsy about living out on the farm with only his wife. He's
81. Shoots in the high 80's. Wants to shoot his age, but doesn't want to budge off the white tees to
do it.

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On 2/15/14, 8:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 01:31:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:39:36 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know
- even 0 would be fine.

Federal loads #1 buck in 16 ga. That should do the trick.
From a legal standpoint you might be better off with bird shot tho.

Not me, but a friend who lives out in Nokesville (close to the Prince William Golf Course). Used to
be country, but the townhouses are marching his way. Once they march across Vint Hill Road he won't
have much time left before he's surrounded. I came across an article suggesting that #4 buckshot
would be a decent short range load. But I can't find any on the net. I'd like to get him a box (five
rounds) of #4 or larger pellet size.

For some reason he seems to be getting antsy about living out on the farm with only his wife. He's
81. Shoots in the high 80's. Wants to shoot his age, but doesn't want to budge off the white tees to
do it.


So, your buddy is planning to welcome the newcomers with buckshot? How
neighborly.

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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:00:22 -0500, FOAD wrote:

On 2/15/14, 8:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 01:31:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:39:36 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know
- even 0 would be fine.

Federal loads #1 buck in 16 ga. That should do the trick.
From a legal standpoint you might be better off with bird shot tho.

Not me, but a friend who lives out in Nokesville (close to the Prince William Golf Course). Used to
be country, but the townhouses are marching his way. Once they march across Vint Hill Road he won't
have much time left before he's surrounded. I came across an article suggesting that #4 buckshot
would be a decent short range load. But I can't find any on the net. I'd like to get him a box (five
rounds) of #4 or larger pellet size.

For some reason he seems to be getting antsy about living out on the farm with only his wife. He's
81. Shoots in the high 80's. Wants to shoot his age, but doesn't want to budge off the white tees to
do it.


So, your buddy is planning to welcome the newcomers with buckshot? How
neighborly.

And you talk about how much you've changed!

Hee, hee.

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In article , says...

On 2/15/14, 8:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 01:31:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:39:36 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know
- even 0 would be fine.

Federal loads #1 buck in 16 ga. That should do the trick.
From a legal standpoint you might be better off with bird shot tho.

Not me, but a friend who lives out in Nokesville (close to the Prince William Golf Course). Used to
be country, but the townhouses are marching his way. Once they march across Vint Hill Road he won't
have much time left before he's surrounded. I came across an article suggesting that #4 buckshot
would be a decent short range load. But I can't find any on the net. I'd like to get him a box (five
rounds) of #4 or larger pellet size.

For some reason he seems to be getting antsy about living out on the farm with only his wife. He's
81. Shoots in the high 80's. Wants to shoot his age, but doesn't want to budge off the white tees to
do it.


So, your buddy is planning to welcome the newcomers with buckshot? How
neighborly.

What is it like to not be allowed to posses firearms?

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On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:39:36 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote:


I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know

- even 0 would be fine.


John, the guys that go to the skeet shoots run through a bunch of shells and do an extensive amount of reloading for economic as well as controlled quality purposes. If you can't fined any on the 'net, then you might ask someone at a gun club to custom load some for you, or ask about it at your local gun dealer.

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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:53:26 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 08:41:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 01:31:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:39:36 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know
- even 0 would be fine.

Federal loads #1 buck in 16 ga. That should do the trick.
From a legal standpoint you might be better off with bird shot tho.

Not me, but a friend who lives out in Nokesville (close to the Prince William Golf Course). Used to
be country, but the townhouses are marching his way. Once they march across Vint Hill Road he won't
have much time left before he's surrounded. I came across an article suggesting that #4 buckshot
would be a decent short range load. But I can't find any on the net. I'd like to get him a box (five
rounds) of #4 or larger pellet size.

For some reason he seems to be getting antsy about living out on the farm with only his wife. He's
81. Shoots in the high 80's. Wants to shoot his age, but doesn't want to budge off the white tees to
do it.

I like the blue tees. I paid for the whole course and I want to use it
no matter how many strokes it takes. ;-)

#4 buck is a popular defense round. Unfortunately 16ga is close to
orphan status. It is not as bad as 28 gauge but close.
I think most of the ammo is loaded for people shooting 4 gun skeet.

You may not be finding much besides bird shot at the high volume
places. Midway lists the #1 buck but they were out of stock.
I would google around and see what you can come up with.

I'm still entering my scores in the USGA handicapping system. If I played from the blues, it would
take me a stroke or two just to get to the yellows.

Yeah, I checked Midland, Sportsmansguide, Cabelas, etc., no one had any in stock, if they even sold
it.

My first shotgun was a double-barreled 16 gauge. I didn't know they'd gone out of fashion. Of
course, I haven't done any hunting for 35 years. Maybe that's why I'm not up to speed.

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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:27:52 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:39:36 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote:


I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know

- even 0 would be fine.


John, the guys that go to the skeet shoots run through a bunch of shells and do an extensive amount of reloading for economic as well as controlled quality purposes. If you can't fined any on the 'net, then you might ask someone at a gun club to custom load some for you, or ask about it at your local gun dealer.

Heck with it. I've got a 12 gauge. WalMart is full of 12 gauge ammo, including 00 buckshot. I think
if I were my buddy, I'd load whatever I could find, even #6. A couple rounds of that at 4-5 yards
should make a person think about getting any closer.

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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:18:32 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:53:04 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:53:26 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 08:41:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 01:31:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:39:36 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I tried to find some on the net, but couldn't. If you come across a place that sells it, let me know
- even 0 would be fine.

Federal loads #1 buck in 16 ga. That should do the trick.
From a legal standpoint you might be better off with bird shot tho.

Not me, but a friend who lives out in Nokesville (close to the Prince William Golf Course). Used to
be country, but the townhouses are marching his way. Once they march across Vint Hill Road he won't
have much time left before he's surrounded. I came across an article suggesting that #4 buckshot
would be a decent short range load. But I can't find any on the net. I'd like to get him a box (five
rounds) of #4 or larger pellet size.

For some reason he seems to be getting antsy about living out on the farm with only his wife. He's
81. Shoots in the high 80's. Wants to shoot his age, but doesn't want to budge off the white tees to
do it.

I like the blue tees. I paid for the whole course and I want to use it
no matter how many strokes it takes. ;-)

#4 buck is a popular defense round. Unfortunately 16ga is close to
orphan status. It is not as bad as 28 gauge but close.
I think most of the ammo is loaded for people shooting 4 gun skeet.

You may not be finding much besides bird shot at the high volume
places. Midway lists the #1 buck but they were out of stock.
I would google around and see what you can come up with.

I'm still entering my scores in the USGA handicapping system. If I played from the blues, it would
take me a stroke or two just to get to the yellows.

Yeah, I checked Midland, Sportsmansguide, Cabelas, etc., no one had any in stock, if they even sold
it.

My first shotgun was a double-barreled 16 gauge. I didn't know they'd gone out of fashion. Of
course, I haven't done any hunting for 35 years. Maybe that's why I'm not up to speed.

The 12 gauge just dominates the market. They can load high performance
12ga rounds that mimic most 10 ga loads and you can download a 12 to
get recoil like a 20. I used to shoot a fairly mild skeet load (2 3/4
dram 1 1/8 oz) when I was shooting a lot of skeet but we might be
shooting 4 rounds a night (100 shots). It was always at least 2, just
for the league rounds.
We usually shot a warm up and after the league rounds we might shoot
one just for fun. (doubles from all stations and such
With a fairly light over and under, that can catch up to you.
My ex had a soft shooting 1100 and she could shoot all day.


BTW on the 16, one issue is the size of the shell itself. I am not
sure you can even stack 00 in the shot cup evenly. They are a snug fit
3x3x3 in a 12 gauge. It is just the geometry.

No, I don't think they could fit more than three or four balls in a 16 gauge shot cup. The largest
shot size I've seen for 16 gauge is the Federal #1 buckshot.