oh btw...
 

The comment that "he doesn't get it and never will" was bs.. Unlike
others here I am willing to learn.

Either way now that we are dealing with the correct definition I
understand completely, and always did.... Like I said, pressure on the
bars, not direction.. If I got that yesterday when I specifically asked
if it meant the direction of the bars.. none of this would have happened...

I know we put more pressure on the left bar in a left turn.. my
confusion was thinking John and you were saying it was the direction of
the bars in relation to the centerline of the bike.. My bad, see, I can
admit that too....

Like I said, like it or not I see a lot, that whole three dimensional
comprehension thing... even if I can't always communicate it with words.

The riders I train pay me well, so I must be doing something right...

oh btw...
 

In article , says...

The comment that "he doesn't get it and never will" was bs.. Unlike
others here I am willing to learn.

Either way now that we are dealing with the correct definition I
understand completely, and always did.... Like I said, pressure on the
bars, not direction.. If I got that yesterday when I specifically asked
if it meant the direction of the bars.. none of this would have happened...

I know we put more pressure on the left bar in a left turn.. my
confusion was thinking John and you were saying it was the direction of
the bars in relation to the centerline of the bike.. My bad, see, I can
admit that too....

Like I said, like it or not I see a lot, that whole three dimensional
comprehension thing... even if I can't always communicate it with words.

The riders I train pay me well, so I must be doing something right...

Counter-steering is less important in dirt-biking.
And most street bikers don't really know how it works, as they do it
unconsciously. Some never even heard the term.
But it's important in an emergency situation.
Like a when a car appears crosswise in front you, many bikers will try
to lean it and turn the wrong way, broadsidng the car or otherwise
killing themselves.

oh btw...
 

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:46:58 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article , says...

The comment that "he doesn't get it and never will" was bs.. Unlike
others here I am willing to learn.

Either way now that we are dealing with the correct definition I
understand completely, and always did.... Like I said, pressure on the
bars, not direction.. If I got that yesterday when I specifically asked
if it meant the direction of the bars.. none of this would have happened...

I know we put more pressure on the left bar in a left turn.. my
confusion was thinking John and you were saying it was the direction of
the bars in relation to the centerline of the bike.. My bad, see, I can
admit that too....

Like I said, like it or not I see a lot, that whole three dimensional
comprehension thing... even if I can't always communicate it with words.

The riders I train pay me well, so I must be doing something right...

Counter-steering is less important in dirt-biking.
And most street bikers don't really know how it works, as they do it
unconsciously. Some never even heard the term.
But it's important in an emergency situation.
Like a when a car appears crosswise in front you, many bikers will try
to lean it and turn the wrong way, broadsidng the car or otherwise
killing themselves.

I wish the MSF Basic Rider Course was a requirement for getting a license everywhere. Here, when I
took it with my wife, everyone who passed the course got a sign-off by the VA DMV guy on the spot. I
think a lot of states are heading in that direction, but not all by any means.

oh btw...
 

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:46:58 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article , says...

The comment that "he doesn't get it and never will" was bs.. Unlike
others here I am willing to learn.

Either way now that we are dealing with the correct definition I
understand completely, and always did.... Like I said, pressure on the
bars, not direction.. If I got that yesterday when I specifically asked
if it meant the direction of the bars.. none of this would have happened...

I know we put more pressure on the left bar in a left turn.. my
confusion was thinking John and you were saying it was the direction of
the bars in relation to the centerline of the bike.. My bad, see, I can
admit that too....

Like I said, like it or not I see a lot, that whole three dimensional
comprehension thing... even if I can't always communicate it with words.

The riders I train pay me well, so I must be doing something right...

Counter-steering is less important in dirt-biking.
And most street bikers don't really know how it works, as they do it
unconsciously. Some never even heard the term.
But it's important in an emergency situation.
Like a when a car appears crosswise in front you, many bikers will try
to lean it and turn the wrong way, broadsidng the car or otherwise
killing themselves.

I wish the MSF Basic Rider Course was a requirement for getting a license
everywhere. Here, when I
took it with my wife, everyone who passed the course got a sign-off by
the VA DMV guy on the spot. I
think a lot of states are heading in that direction, but not all by any means.

I think Calif now requires new riders to show a safety course. I have had
the MC endorsement for at least 43 years. When I was a. Kid, just needed
a license. Did not have a separate MC. Endorsement.

oh btw...
 

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:57:11 -0600, Califbill wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:46:58 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article , says...

The comment that "he doesn't get it and never will" was bs.. Unlike
others here I am willing to learn.

Either way now that we are dealing with the correct definition I
understand completely, and always did.... Like I said, pressure on the
bars, not direction.. If I got that yesterday when I specifically asked
if it meant the direction of the bars.. none of this would have happened...

I know we put more pressure on the left bar in a left turn.. my
confusion was thinking John and you were saying it was the direction of
the bars in relation to the centerline of the bike.. My bad, see, I can
admit that too....

Like I said, like it or not I see a lot, that whole three dimensional
comprehension thing... even if I can't always communicate it with words.

The riders I train pay me well, so I must be doing something right...

Counter-steering is less important in dirt-biking.
And most street bikers don't really know how it works, as they do it
unconsciously. Some never even heard the term.
But it's important in an emergency situation.
Like a when a car appears crosswise in front you, many bikers will try
to lean it and turn the wrong way, broadsidng the car or otherwise
killing themselves.

I wish the MSF Basic Rider Course was a requirement for getting a license
everywhere. Here, when I
took it with my wife, everyone who passed the course got a sign-off by
the VA DMV guy on the spot. I
think a lot of states are heading in that direction, but not all by any means.

I think Calif now requires new riders to show a safety course. I have had
the MC endorsement for at least 43 years. When I was a. Kid, just needed
a license. Did not have a separate MC. Endorsement.

When I got mine the DMV lady told me to go down to the end of the street and come back. She waved
OK. That was it.

The VA test is much harder now, more like the MSF final.

oh btw...
 

On 2/14/2014 7:57 PM, Califbill wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:46:58 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article , says...

The comment that "he doesn't get it and never will" was bs.. Unlike
others here I am willing to learn.

Either way now that we are dealing with the correct definition I
understand completely, and always did.... Like I said, pressure on the
bars, not direction.. If I got that yesterday when I specifically asked
if it meant the direction of the bars.. none of this would have happened...

I know we put more pressure on the left bar in a left turn.. my
confusion was thinking John and you were saying it was the direction of
the bars in relation to the centerline of the bike.. My bad, see, I can
admit that too....

Like I said, like it or not I see a lot, that whole three dimensional
comprehension thing... even if I can't always communicate it with words.

The riders I train pay me well, so I must be doing something right...

Counter-steering is less important in dirt-biking.
And most street bikers don't really know how it works, as they do it
unconsciously. Some never even heard the term.
But it's important in an emergency situation.
Like a when a car appears crosswise in front you, many bikers will try
to lean it and turn the wrong way, broadsidng the car or otherwise
killing themselves.

I wish the MSF Basic Rider Course was a requirement for getting a license
everywhere. Here, when I
took it with my wife, everyone who passed the course got a sign-off by
the VA DMV guy on the spot. I
think a lot of states are heading in that direction, but not all by any means.

I think Calif now requires new riders to show a safety course. I have had
the MC endorsement for at least 43 years. When I was a. Kid, just needed
a license. Did not have a separate MC. Endorsement.


In the seventies when I got mine it was easy in CT. Then in the 80s they
got real tough. "Literally" the tester told a friend of mine that "if
you can't stop in the time I give you, then use your front brakes more
and let the rear wheel come off the ground" (what we call a "stoppie").
I guess they lost revenue over that so apparently it's real easy again...

oh btw...
 

In article , says...

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:57:11 -0600, Califbill wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:46:58 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article , says...

The comment that "he doesn't get it and never will" was bs.. Unlike
others here I am willing to learn.

Either way now that we are dealing with the correct definition I
understand completely, and always did.... Like I said, pressure on the
bars, not direction.. If I got that yesterday when I specifically asked
if it meant the direction of the bars.. none of this would have happened...

I know we put more pressure on the left bar in a left turn.. my
confusion was thinking John and you were saying it was the direction of
the bars in relation to the centerline of the bike.. My bad, see, I can
admit that too....

Like I said, like it or not I see a lot, that whole three dimensional
comprehension thing... even if I can't always communicate it with words.

The riders I train pay me well, so I must be doing something right...

Counter-steering is less important in dirt-biking.
And most street bikers don't really know how it works, as they do it
unconsciously. Some never even heard the term.
But it's important in an emergency situation.
Like a when a car appears crosswise in front you, many bikers will try
to lean it and turn the wrong way, broadsidng the car or otherwise
killing themselves.

I wish the MSF Basic Rider Course was a requirement for getting a license
everywhere. Here, when I
took it with my wife, everyone who passed the course got a sign-off by
the VA DMV guy on the spot. I
think a lot of states are heading in that direction, but not all by any means.

I think Calif now requires new riders to show a safety course. I have had
the MC endorsement for at least 43 years. When I was a. Kid, just needed
a license. Did not have a separate MC. Endorsement.

When I got mine the DMV lady told me to go down to the end of the street and come back. She waved
OK. That was it.

The VA test is much harder now, more like the MSF final.

When I got mine in Virginia, 1985, all I had to do was drive around the DMV building in
Franconia.

oh btw...
 

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:37:45 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:57:11 -0600, Califbill wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:46:58 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article , says...

The comment that "he doesn't get it and never will" was bs.. Unlike
others here I am willing to learn.

Either way now that we are dealing with the correct definition I
understand completely, and always did.... Like I said, pressure on the
bars, not direction.. If I got that yesterday when I specifically asked
if it meant the direction of the bars.. none of this would have happened...

I know we put more pressure on the left bar in a left turn.. my
confusion was thinking John and you were saying it was the direction of
the bars in relation to the centerline of the bike.. My bad, see, I can
admit that too....

Like I said, like it or not I see a lot, that whole three dimensional
comprehension thing... even if I can't always communicate it with words.

The riders I train pay me well, so I must be doing something right...

Counter-steering is less important in dirt-biking.
And most street bikers don't really know how it works, as they do it
unconsciously. Some never even heard the term.
But it's important in an emergency situation.
Like a when a car appears crosswise in front you, many bikers will try
to lean it and turn the wrong way, broadsidng the car or otherwise
killing themselves.

I wish the MSF Basic Rider Course was a requirement for getting a license
everywhere. Here, when I
took it with my wife, everyone who passed the course got a sign-off by
the VA DMV guy on the spot. I
think a lot of states are heading in that direction, but not all by any means.

I think Calif now requires new riders to show a safety course. I have had
the MC endorsement for at least 43 years. When I was a. Kid, just needed
a license. Did not have a separate MC. Endorsement.

When I got mine the DMV lady told me to go down to the end of the street and come back. She waved
OK. That was it.

The VA test is much harder now, more like the MSF final.

When I got mine in Virginia, 1985, all I had to do was drive around the DMV building in
Franconia.

Must've been the same lady that gave me mine back in '74.

oh btw...
 

In article , says...

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:37:45 -0500, BAR wrote:


When I got mine in Virginia, 1985, all I had to do was drive around the DMV building in
Franconia.

I got my Maryland endorsement in Rockville. It was a little course
behind DMV and the real trick was remembering to stop at the stop
sign, even though they looked like they were waving you through.

Took my daughter to the Greenbelt MVA a couple of years ago and kid in front of her to take
test failed before going 25 feet. They start out 10 feet before a stop sign. The evaluater
tolld the kid to proceed to the course and he didn't stop at the stop sign, test over,
failure.