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On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. |
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On 1/28/14, 9:27 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. It's kind of silly to project your personal experiences with a piece of computer hardware to a universal truth. Perhaps if you are a "gamer," as you seem to be, playing the games off an SSD makes no difference. I don't know, since I don't play any computer games. But I do know the SSD on my Macbook Air helps me load and save certain types of files a hell of a lot faster than I could on the "spinner" on the iMac I just sold, and that includes photo files, large manuscripts, and manipulation of the web pages I put together and update. I can tell the difference. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On 1/28/2014 9:27 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. I think the difference is that the SSDs available today have much higher storage capacity than those of years past. The whole operating system along with frequently used applications can reside on the SSD. |
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In article , says...
On 1/28/14, 9:27 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. It's kind of silly to project your personal experiences with a piece of computer hardware to a universal truth. Perhaps if you are a "gamer," as you seem to be, playing the games off an SSD makes no difference. I don't know, since I don't play any computer games. But I do know the SSD on my Macbook Air helps me load and save certain types of files a hell of a lot faster than I could on the "spinner" on the iMac I just sold, and that includes photo files, large manuscripts, and manipulation of the web pages I put together and update. I can tell the difference. "If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster." What's "silly" about being being an average computer user? If you're moving large manuscripts around, by all means, use SSDs. |
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On 1/28/14, 9:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/28/2014 9:27 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. I think the difference is that the SSDs available today have much higher storage capacity than those of years past. The whole operating system along with frequently used applications can reside on the SSD. Apple has been using Samsung, Toshiba, and Sandisk SSDs. I don't know what brand or spec is in the new iMacs, because all Apple lists on its "shopping site" is capacity. They are getting a premium of about $150, give or take, for the 512 GB drive, which is $500 more than an iMac with a one terabyte spinning drive. The latter are about $75 retail these days, and the 512 GB SSD's are anywhere from about $350 to $500 at retail, give or take. There's no question the prices for SSDs are dropping faster than a Hollywood starlet's panties, though. I've seen an ad for a Samsung Terabyte SSD for under $550. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. |
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On 1/30/14, 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. SSD drive prices are dropping pretty fast. I happened to look this AM at prices on Amazon for a top of the line Samsung 500 GB SSD, and found several at around $300, and a 1 TB drive for about $500. That's about half of what a similar drive would have been last year, or maybe a tad more, at least for the 500 GB drive. I don't know what terabyte SSD's were selling for in the past. The TB drive is this honey: Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5-Inch SATA III Single Unit Version Internal Solid State Drive MZ-7TE1T0BW Prices on "Spinner" drives, even the quality ones, have dropped even more dramatically the last two years. I ordered my new iMac with an SSD drive. Will be here by the end of next week, I'm sure. It's a long swim from China or wherever it is being manufactured/assembled. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I doubt if the cloud ever kills off spinners. The cloud is just moving the storage to a different location. As to using the cloud. Maybe for pictures. But for any financial info, or stuff I do not want in public, no way! The other problem is retrieving stuff from the cloud. Limited by the internet. And the internet is going to have a big prob,me very shortly is and lots of hardware is going to have to be upgraded. Lengthen the address space as running out of available numbers. I think the cloud is viable, but not the replacement for local large storage. I own a bunch of Rack Space stock, so I am betting on cloud usage" |
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. |
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On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . |
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On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . And besides, it's much easier for the NSA to suck down the data of a zillion users from the cloud than it is to get it out of a zillion individual computers. (It's sarcasm, fellas...don't take it too seriously.) -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On 1/31/2014 9:25 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . And besides, it's much easier for the NSA to suck down the data of a zillion users from the cloud than it is to get it out of a zillion individual computers. (It's sarcasm, fellas...don't take it too seriously.) If the NSA wants a photo of Sam Adams taking a dump in the back yard, they can have it. |
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On 1/31/14, 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/31/2014 9:25 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . And besides, it's much easier for the NSA to suck down the data of a zillion users from the cloud than it is to get it out of a zillion individual computers. (It's sarcasm, fellas...don't take it too seriously.) If the NSA wants a photo of Sam Adams taking a dump in the back yard, they can have it. See, now, there's a perfect example of why you science-math guys need more English liberal arts classes. That doggie I assume was not *taking* a dump. He was *leaving* a dump. :) -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On 1/31/2014 9:40 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/31/14, 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 9:25 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . And besides, it's much easier for the NSA to suck down the data of a zillion users from the cloud than it is to get it out of a zillion individual computers. (It's sarcasm, fellas...don't take it too seriously.) If the NSA wants a photo of Sam Adams taking a dump in the back yard, they can have it. See, now, there's a perfect example of why you science-math guys need more English liberal arts classes. That doggie I assume was not *taking* a dump. He was *leaving* a dump. :) Oh? So tell me. Do you "take" a nap, "grab" a nap or engage in a restful period of temporary unconsciousness? |
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On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:16:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . You're probably right, But I can't see winding up a cloud site for the return. My most important stuff is on paper anyway - titles, licenses, judgments, military records, etc. |
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On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:45:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/31/2014 9:40 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/31/14, 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 9:25 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . And besides, it's much easier for the NSA to suck down the data of a zillion users from the cloud than it is to get it out of a zillion individual computers. (It's sarcasm, fellas...don't take it too seriously.) If the NSA wants a photo of Sam Adams taking a dump in the back yard, they can have it. See, now, there's a perfect example of why you science-math guys need more English liberal arts classes. That doggie I assume was not *taking* a dump. He was *leaving* a dump. :) Oh? So tell me. Do you "take" a nap, "grab" a nap or engage in a restful period of temporary unconsciousness? LOL! |
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On 1/31/14, 9:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/31/2014 9:40 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/31/14, 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 9:25 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . And besides, it's much easier for the NSA to suck down the data of a zillion users from the cloud than it is to get it out of a zillion individual computers. (It's sarcasm, fellas...don't take it too seriously.) If the NSA wants a photo of Sam Adams taking a dump in the back yard, they can have it. See, now, there's a perfect example of why you science-math guys need more English liberal arts classes. That doggie I assume was not *taking* a dump. He was *leaving* a dump. :) Oh? So tell me. Do you "take" a nap, "grab" a nap or engage in a restful period of temporary unconsciousness? Silly. A nap is an intangible. A dump is not. :) -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On 1/31/2014 12:08 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:45:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/31/2014 9:40 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/31/14, 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 9:25 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank. For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . And besides, it's much easier for the NSA to suck down the data of a zillion users from the cloud than it is to get it out of a zillion individual computers. (It's sarcasm, fellas...don't take it too seriously.) If the NSA wants a photo of Sam Adams taking a dump in the back yard, they can have it. See, now, there's a perfect example of why you science-math guys need more English liberal arts classes. That doggie I assume was not *taking* a dump. He was *leaving* a dump. :) Oh? So tell me. Do you "take" a nap, "grab" a nap or engage in a restful period of temporary unconsciousness? LOL! Well, it's the latter, that's for sure... the question is what year did this "restful period" start, and when the hell do you suppose it's gonna' ever end...:) |
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On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time? The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage spaces that can add redundancy. . Got a notice from Apple today that my new BTO iMac is "in manufacturing," and will arrive either the end of next week or the beginning of the following week, and that I will get a tracking email when it is on the plane or truck or whatever. I still have not a clue as to where it is being assembled...here, China, or, I have recently learned, in Ireland. The last one took a trip from Shanghai to Tokyo to Anchorage to Memphis to here. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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says... "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I doubt if the cloud ever kills off spinners. The cloud is just moving the storage to a different location. As to using the cloud. Maybe for pictures. But for any financial info, or stuff I do not want in public, no way! The other problem is retrieving stuff from the cloud. Limited by the internet. And the internet is going to have a big prob,me very shortly is and lots of hardware is going to have to be upgraded. Lengthen the address space as running out of available numbers. I think the cloud is viable, but not the replacement for local large storage. I own a bunch of Rack Space stock, so I am betting on cloud usage" In the early 90's they were squaking about running out of space in the IPv4 address space. Twenty-five years later and we are still using IPv4. Most networking equipment today has the ability to run IPv6, mostly this is tunnelled from IPv6 network to IPv6 network over IPv4. |
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BAR wrote:
In article , says... "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I doubt if the cloud ever kills off spinners. The cloud is just moving the storage to a different location. As to using the cloud. Maybe for pictures. But for any financial info, or stuff I do not want in public, no way! The other problem is retrieving stuff from the cloud. Limited by the internet. And the internet is going to have a big prob,me very shortly is and lots of hardware is going to have to be upgraded. Lengthen the address space as running out of available numbers. I think the cloud is viable, but not the replacement for local large storage. I own a bunch of Rack Space stock, so I am betting on cloud usage" In the early 90's they were squaking about running out of space in the IPv4 address space. Twenty-five years later and we are still using IPv4. Most networking equipment today has the ability to run IPv6, mostly this is tunnelled from IPv6 network to IPv6 network over IPv4. The problem now, is every little device is getting an IP address. All those wireless cameras, etc. |
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says... BAR wrote: In article , says... "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it actually works. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere. It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now. And you don't need them anyway. I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster. BFD. Can't tell the difference anywhere else. My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed. No noticeable difference. If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster. SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall. Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA, NASA, banks and all in RAID systems. I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years. I doubt if the cloud ever kills off spinners. The cloud is just moving the storage to a different location. As to using the cloud. Maybe for pictures. But for any financial info, or stuff I do not want in public, no way! The other problem is retrieving stuff from the cloud. Limited by the internet. And the internet is going to have a big prob,me very shortly is and lots of hardware is going to have to be upgraded. Lengthen the address space as running out of available numbers. I think the cloud is viable, but not the replacement for local large storage. I own a bunch of Rack Space stock, so I am betting on cloud usage" In the early 90's they were squaking about running out of space in the IPv4 address space. Twenty-five years later and we are still using IPv4. Most networking equipment today has the ability to run IPv6, mostly this is tunnelled from IPv6 network to IPv6 network over IPv4. The problem now, is every little device is getting an IP address. All those wireless cameras, etc. Everything now has an IPv4 and IPv6 MAC address but, the IP address is assinged by specific action or by DHCP. The 10.x.x.x network is freely availabe ot anyone to use and it provide you with 16 million addresses that you can use on your internal hard wired and wifi network. |
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