On 1/11/14, 11:36 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:31:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:25:38 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


The .50 cal machine gun can shoot a mile off. Being a machine gun, it can put a lot of rounds on target. Why they don't put one on every ship is beyond me.

===

It seems to work for the Coast Guard.

We had six M2s and a 5"/38. That will really reach out there and put a
50 pound projectile on target up to 10 miles away.
The 83 footers carried an 81mm
That will get your attention too.
I think they also started using the 20mm chain guns.

Chain guns or 5"ers may be a little expensive to mount on all those ships, but M2s or M85s should be
reasonably priced. They'd definitely keep the fishing boats out of RPG or AK-47 range.
--

Hope you're having a spectacular day!


Once again, you fellas are overestimating the crew sizes and
capabilities of the crews aboard those merchant vessels, and the ability
to see visually or via radar a small boat coming alongside at night for
a clandestine boarding. Most of these vessels have fewer than 20
officers and seamen aboard. There are many non-security duties aboard
ships, and a number of these duties require 24-7 attention, so the
number of crew available to stand watch in four six hour shifts is
minimal. How would you expect a merchant crew to stand extra watches and
also have the armament and training and time to ward off pirates,
especially at night?

On 1/11/2014 10:47 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

No, FlaJim. I have no idea who Jane Lynch is, and if you can't figure
out if what you post is personally insulting, then I am afraid I cannot
help you.

Since you obviously are familiar with Ms. Lynch, perhaps you will tell
us all who she is and why she is important to you.

She is googleable just like everything else. If you are insulted by the
mention of your sketchy financial history then you deserve no less than
a daily dose of reminders. Serves you right for being a low life.

On 1/11/2014 8:51 AM, KC wrote:

Again, who runs them? Are you going to train the crew to use the weapon
in a moments notice? What if it jams on an inexperienced user, then the
pirates come in, and they are ****ed too....

Maybe they could hire ex-military lunch ladies and janitors...

On 1/11/2014 11:12 AM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 11 January 2014 11:07:57 UTC-4, Hank wrote:
On 1/11/2014 8:51 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The fact that more Americans are killed with firearms every day in their

own country than have been killed by the Somali pirates in decades

should tell us something.



Tell us what, asshole?


Boy.. here we are, right back to name calling.
And to think that some here blame Harry, and to a lesser extent me, for all the problems in this newsgroup.
Thanks for helping to clear all that up.


Ahhh. You noticed that the crap started right up again on Krause's
return from his trip to the zoo. No fleas on you, young fella.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:50:53 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/11/2014 11:31 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:25:38 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


The .50 cal machine gun can shoot a mile off. Being a machine gun, it can put a lot of rounds on target. Why they don't put one on every ship is beyond me.

===

It seems to work for the Coast Guard.

We had six M2s and a 5"/38. That will really reach out there and put a
50 pound projectile on target up to 10 miles away.
The 83 footers carried an 81mm
That will get your attention too.
I think they also started using the 20mm chain guns.


And you want some ocean going longshoreman working that equipment?

No, hire a couple security folks who can fire a .50 cal machine gun.

--

Hope you're having a spectacular day!

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/11/14, 11:36 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:31:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:25:38 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


The .50 cal machine gun can shoot a mile off. Being a machine gun, it can put a lot of rounds on target. Why they don't put one on every ship is beyond me.

===

It seems to work for the Coast Guard.

We had six M2s and a 5"/38. That will really reach out there and put a
50 pound projectile on target up to 10 miles away.
The 83 footers carried an 81mm
That will get your attention too.
I think they also started using the 20mm chain guns.

Chain guns or 5"ers may be a little expensive to mount on all those ships, but M2s or M85s should be
reasonably priced. They'd definitely keep the fishing boats out of RPG or AK-47 range.
--

Hope you're having a spectacular day!


Once again, you fellas are overestimating the crew sizes and
capabilities of the crews aboard those merchant vessels, and the ability
to see visually or via radar a small boat coming alongside at night for
a clandestine boarding. Most of these vessels have fewer than 20
officers and seamen aboard. There are many non-security duties aboard
ships, and a number of these duties require 24-7 attention, so the
number of crew available to stand watch in four six hour shifts is
minimal. How would you expect a merchant crew to stand extra watches and
also have the armament and training and time to ward off pirates,
especially at night?

Yup. Train a couple to operate the .50. They're not difficult to operate, or clear, if there's a
jam.
--

Hope you're having a spectacular day!

On 1/11/14, 1:35 PM, Hank wrote:
On 1/11/2014 10:47 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

No, FlaJim. I have no idea who Jane Lynch is, and if you can't figure
out if what you post is personally insulting, then I am afraid I cannot
help you.

Since you obviously are familiar with Ms. Lynch, perhaps you will tell
us all who she is and why she is important to you.

She is googleable just like everything else. If you are insulted by the
mention of your sketchy financial history then you deserve no less than
a daily dose of reminders. Serves you right for being a low life.

So, might we presume that *you* won't be one of those in the future
whining about the "tone" and name-calling and suchlike in rec.boats, eh?

On 1/11/14, 2:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/11/14, 11:36 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:31:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:25:38 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


The .50 cal machine gun can shoot a mile off. Being a machine gun, it can put a lot of rounds on target. Why they don't put one on every ship is beyond me.

===

It seems to work for the Coast Guard.

We had six M2s and a 5"/38. That will really reach out there and put a
50 pound projectile on target up to 10 miles away.
The 83 footers carried an 81mm
That will get your attention too.
I think they also started using the 20mm chain guns.

Chain guns or 5"ers may be a little expensive to mount on all those ships, but M2s or M85s should be
reasonably priced. They'd definitely keep the fishing boats out of RPG or AK-47 range.
--

Hope you're having a spectacular day!


Once again, you fellas are overestimating the crew sizes and
capabilities of the crews aboard those merchant vessels, and the ability
to see visually or via radar a small boat coming alongside at night for
a clandestine boarding. Most of these vessels have fewer than 20
officers and seamen aboard. There are many non-security duties aboard
ships, and a number of these duties require 24-7 attention, so the
number of crew available to stand watch in four six hour shifts is
minimal. How would you expect a merchant crew to stand extra watches and
also have the armament and training and time to ward off pirates,
especially at night?

Yup. Train a couple to operate the .50. They're not difficult to operate, or clear, if there's a
jam.
--

Hope you're having a spectacular day!


Once again, you are dismissing the fact that most pirate boardings take
place at night, when those on the large ship cannot see the pirate
boats. What are you going to be shooting at with those weapons? Passing
waves?

On 1/11/2014 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:50:53 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/11/2014 11:31 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:25:38 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


The .50 cal machine gun can shoot a mile off. Being a machine gun, it can put a lot of rounds on target. Why they don't put one on every ship is beyond me.

===

It seems to work for the Coast Guard.

We had six M2s and a 5"/38. That will really reach out there and put a
50 pound projectile on target up to 10 miles away.
The 83 footers carried an 81mm
That will get your attention too.
I think they also started using the 20mm chain guns.


And you want some ocean going longshoreman working that equipment?

No, hire a couple security folks who can fire a .50 cal machine gun.

--

Hope you're having a spectacular day!


How many teams... one gun for the whole ship isn't gonna' do it? Those
ships are pretty big.

On 1/11/14, 4:46 PM, KC wrote:
On 1/11/2014 2:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:50:53 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/11/2014 11:31 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:25:38 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


The .50 cal machine gun can shoot a mile off. Being a machine gun,
it can put a lot of rounds on target. Why they don't put one on
every ship is beyond me.

===

It seems to work for the Coast Guard.

We had six M2s and a 5"/38. That will really reach out there and put a
50 pound projectile on target up to 10 miles away.
The 83 footers carried an 81mm
That will get your attention too.
I think they also started using the 20mm chain guns.


And you want some ocean going longshoreman working that equipment?

No, hire a couple security folks who can fire a .50 cal machine gun.

--

Hope you're having a spectacular day!


How many teams... one gun for the whole ship isn't gonna' do it? Those
ships are pretty big.


Until recently, marine security experts have advised against arming
shipboard crews against pirate boardings. I don't know if this advise
has changed.