On 12/26/2013 5:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/26/2013 3:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:


Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their
psyche.

Absolutely... They need the security of being able to see the horizon or
the tree line anyway, a place to run to, and leaders/followers...

Our horse has another partner that she bosses around but they are
buddies. When we had to remove our horse from the herd a week or so ago
the other horse just stood at the gate all the time looking for her. The
other horse escaped and went straight to our horse, even though our
horse "beats her up" as it were... The horsed need herds, it's natural
for them, makes them nice horses...



I am not an authority on horses but I've been around them and people who
own and care for them for quite a while. I've listened to many opinions
and heard different of schools of thought regarding what horses "need".
Up here in the north there are more horses kept in stalls in barns
than are left outside all year. In Florida we had a shelter with
stalls. In both cases, the horses are "turned out" for most of the day
in a paddock when they are not being ridden or trained. During the
winter months my wife's horses go out for about half a day unless it's
raining or snowing heavily. After a few hours both of them want to go
back to their stalls during the winter months because the "busy" work of
grazing on nice green grass isn't available. They are very comfortable
and content in the stalls and it's the place where they get their REM
sleep (laying down).

Anyway, from what I've picked up about them, it's important that they
have at least one companion to keep with the herd mentality, but they
don't have to be in a huge group. Some are very content having a goat
or donkey as a "companion".

Everyone has their ideas of what horses need and like. For the most
part all the beliefs seem to work out fine and the horses live to be a
ripe old age.

Dammit.

On Thursday, 26 December 2013 19:16:12 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 5:41 PM, KC wrote:

On 12/26/2013 3:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:





Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their

psyche.



Absolutely... They need the security of being able to see the horizon or

the tree line anyway, a place to run to, and leaders/followers...



Our horse has another partner that she bosses around but they are

buddies. When we had to remove our horse from the herd a week or so ago

the other horse just stood at the gate all the time looking for her. The

other horse escaped and went straight to our horse, even though our

horse "beats her up" as it were... The horsed need herds, it's natural

for them, makes them nice horses...







I am not an authority on horses but I've been around them and people who

own and care for them for quite a while. I've listened to many opinions

and heard different of schools of thought regarding what horses "need".

Up here in the north there are more horses kept in stalls in barns

than are left outside all year. In Florida we had a shelter with

stalls. In both cases, the horses are "turned out" for most of the day

in a paddock when they are not being ridden or trained. During the

winter months my wife's horses go out for about half a day unless it's

raining or snowing heavily. After a few hours both of them want to go

back to their stalls during the winter months because the "busy" work of

grazing on nice green grass isn't available. They are very comfortable

and content in the stalls and it's the place where they get their REM

sleep (laying down).



Anyway, from what I've picked up about them, it's important that they

have at least one companion to keep with the herd mentality, but they

don't have to be in a huge group. Some are very content having a goat

or donkey as a "companion".



Everyone has their ideas of what horses need and like. For the most

part all the beliefs seem to work out fine and the horses live to be a

ripe old age.



Dammit.


If you want to move south bad enough, you'll just have to come up with a plan to accommodate the horses.
It would be pretty tough for Mrs. E to abandon then at this stage... especially after the family losses.

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:53:43 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:20:39 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 21:27:38 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 05:11:56 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Leaving to go watch grandkids open presents!

Hope ALL of you have a super Christmas and find the joy and peace that comes with the season. Don't
forget to give the Salvation Army collection man/lady a few bucks to get themselves a nice dinner
somewhere. Oh, and put some money in the bucket too!

Thanks
I hope everyone had a great Christmas.
The kids were all here and we had lots of fun, ate too much and
engaged in the total commitment to stimulate the economy.
The wrapping paper alone would heat the house of a 3d worlder for a
couple days.
Watta country!
70s and sunny so we got out for an evening boat ride after the kids
left

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Christmas%20sunset%2013.jpg

Our kids and grandkids are all coming later today. Open presents and then eat. I'm cheating, cooking
only spaghetti and garlic bread and salad (brought by daughter). Kids'll love it though.

We did the traditional Mexican food on Christmas eve, enchiladas,
tacos, refritos, rice with a chips and salsa appetizer.

I made spaghetti sauce last night.

The spaghetti and garlic bread went over very well. Not much left. Damn.

Great time was had by all. It's fun watching the grandchildren open gifts, and the girls went
ape-**** over their Australian Kangaroos, once they looked them up on the internet!

Christmas is a lot of fun. But, it's also nice when everyone goes home and life gets back to normal.

Hope you're having a great day!

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 14:21:55 -0500, Hank© wrote:

On 12/26/2013 2:04 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 1:53 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:20:39 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 21:27:38 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 05:11:56 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Leaving to go watch grandkids open presents!

Hope ALL of you have a super Christmas and find the joy and peace
that comes with the season. Don't
forget to give the Salvation Army collection man/lady a few bucks
to get themselves a nice dinner
somewhere. Oh, and put some money in the bucket too!

Thanks
I hope everyone had a great Christmas.
The kids were all here and we had lots of fun, ate too much and
engaged in the total commitment to stimulate the economy.
The wrapping paper alone would heat the house of a 3d worlder for a
couple days.
Watta country!
70s and sunny so we got out for an evening boat ride after the kids
left

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Christmas%20sunset%2013.jpg

Our kids and grandkids are all coming later today. Open presents and
then eat. I'm cheating, cooking
only spaghetti and garlic bread and salad (brought by daughter).
Kids'll love it though.

We did the traditional Mexican food on Christmas eve, enchiladas,
tacos, refritos, rice with a chips and salsa appetizer.

I made spaghetti sauce last night.


I cooked a pair of rock cornish game hens. We split one and put the
other in the fridge. I like to salt and pepper and paprika them and put
on a glaze of apricot sauce before I bake them. Also made homemade
stuffing in a baking dish...stuffing mix, with sauteed peppers, onions
and mushrooms, plus the infamous green bean-mushroom soup-dried onions
casserole, and for dessert, homemade pumpkin pie.


You couldn't eat both pigeons at one sitting?

I'm glad, much better for his health.

I'm also very surprised to see him writing about food. I thought he abhorred any mention of food,
recipes, etc.

It's nice to see the Christmas season brought out the kinder, gentler side of Harry.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/26/2013 3:59 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 12/26/2013 10:22 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:55:28 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:


TIG welding is an art form to me. I learned to use both TIG and MIG
welders, although my welds look horrible compared to the highly skilled
and certified welders I've known over the years.

A friend who's a metal artist and a good MIG/TIG welder told me that's
what grinders are made for. :-)


Good point, I will remember that.

You want 2 angle grinders. 3 would be nice also. One with a flap wheel,
and 1 with a cutoff or grinding wheel. Saves loads of time when welding
saving on changing grinder stones or wire brush. Get a harbor freight
grinder for one and a good grinder for the other. Use the HF grinder for
the least used.


I have a couple of nice grinders from when I used to work on cars... One
is offset, the other straight... Thanks, I will get new blades for them...

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 23:20:07 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 21:44:58 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:53:43 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:20:39 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 21:27:38 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 05:11:56 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Leaving to go watch grandkids open presents!

Hope ALL of you have a super Christmas and find the joy and peace that comes with the season. Don't
forget to give the Salvation Army collection man/lady a few bucks to get themselves a nice dinner
somewhere. Oh, and put some money in the bucket too!

Thanks
I hope everyone had a great Christmas.
The kids were all here and we had lots of fun, ate too much and
engaged in the total commitment to stimulate the economy.
The wrapping paper alone would heat the house of a 3d worlder for a
couple days.
Watta country!
70s and sunny so we got out for an evening boat ride after the kids
left

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Christmas%20sunset%2013.jpg

Our kids and grandkids are all coming later today. Open presents and then eat. I'm cheating, cooking
only spaghetti and garlic bread and salad (brought by daughter). Kids'll love it though.

We did the traditional Mexican food on Christmas eve, enchiladas,
tacos, refritos, rice with a chips and salsa appetizer.

I made spaghetti sauce last night.

The spaghetti and garlic bread went over very well. Not much left. Damn.

I make spaghetti sauce about 2 gallons at a time. I have some freezer
containers that are just the right amount of sauce for a pound of
pasta so next time is real fast.

I buy the 40oz bottles of Victoria Marinara Sauce from Costco. (Told you I cheated.) Then add my
own spices, garlic, onions, etc, along with hot Italian sausage. Never made spaghetti sauce from
scratch. Too much work. Sprucing up a decent marinara sauce seems to work. Everyone likes it.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/26/2013 7:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 26 December 2013 19:16:12 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 5:41 PM, KC wrote:

On 12/26/2013 3:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:





Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their

psyche.



Absolutely... They need the security of being able to see the horizon or

the tree line anyway, a place to run to, and leaders/followers...



Our horse has another partner that she bosses around but they are

buddies. When we had to remove our horse from the herd a week or so ago

the other horse just stood at the gate all the time looking for her. The

other horse escaped and went straight to our horse, even though our

horse "beats her up" as it were... The horsed need herds, it's natural

for them, makes them nice horses...







I am not an authority on horses but I've been around them and people who

own and care for them for quite a while. I've listened to many opinions

and heard different of schools of thought regarding what horses "need".

Up here in the north there are more horses kept in stalls in barns

than are left outside all year. In Florida we had a shelter with

stalls. In both cases, the horses are "turned out" for most of the day

in a paddock when they are not being ridden or trained. During the

winter months my wife's horses go out for about half a day unless it's

raining or snowing heavily. After a few hours both of them want to go

back to their stalls during the winter months because the "busy" work of

grazing on nice green grass isn't available. They are very comfortable

and content in the stalls and it's the place where they get their REM

sleep (laying down).



Anyway, from what I've picked up about them, it's important that they

have at least one companion to keep with the herd mentality, but they

don't have to be in a huge group. Some are very content having a goat

or donkey as a "companion".



Everyone has their ideas of what horses need and like. For the most

part all the beliefs seem to work out fine and the horses live to be a

ripe old age.



Dammit.


If you want to move south bad enough, you'll just have to come up with a plan to accommodate the horses.
It would be pretty tough for Mrs. E to abandon then at this stage... especially after the family losses.


Everytime we start discussing a possible move we end up realizing that
for now, where we are is perfect.

She is very emotionally attached to the horses. Big pets, much like her
dogs. It's easy to relocate with dogs and cats. Not quite so easy with
two or three 1,200 lb. "pets".

On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:28:25 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 10:33:48 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 23:20:07 -0500, wrote:


I make spaghetti sauce about 2 gallons at a time. I have some freezer
containers that are just the right amount of sauce for a pound of
pasta so next time is real fast.

I buy the 40oz bottles of Victoria Marinara Sauce from Costco. (Told you I cheated.) Then add my
own spices, garlic, onions, etc, along with hot Italian sausage. Never made spaghetti sauce from
scratch. Too much work. Sprucing up a decent marinara sauce seems to work. Everyone likes it.


I guess I am just old school. I have been making my own red sauces for
50 years. The biggest trick is finding decent Italian sausage for
spaghetti.

I've tried several. This time I tried the Giant brand Hot Italian Sausage. I think it retained the
flavor better than any I've used before.

Want to share your sauce recipe? Does it use canned or fresh tomatoes? If fresh, I'll have to wait
for them to come in season up here. I'm not going to use any green-picked, South American tomatoes.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/27/13, 11:28 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 10:33:48 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 23:20:07 -0500, wrote:


I make spaghetti sauce about 2 gallons at a time. I have some freezer
containers that are just the right amount of sauce for a pound of
pasta so next time is real fast.

I buy the 40oz bottles of Victoria Marinara Sauce from Costco. (Told you I cheated.) Then add my
own spices, garlic, onions, etc, along with hot Italian sausage. Never made spaghetti sauce from
scratch. Too much work. Sprucing up a decent marinara sauce seems to work. Everyone likes it.


I guess I am just old school. I have been making my own red sauces for
50 years. The biggest trick is finding decent Italian sausage for
spaghetti.


The Italian immigrant lady who lived next door to us in New Haven (we
had a Greek family on the other side) made her own sauces from scratch.
Her kitchen was a marvel to behold, what with the garlics and other
spices, and sometimes cheese and stuff hanging from the ceiling. The
best part was that only one of her three sons liked traditional Italian
cooking, which meant that whenever I was over there, I got a plateful of
whatever she was making. I loved her kitchen and her cooking. I can't
imagine she ever "froze" her sauce. She was a great cook. So was my
mother, but she cooked entirely different kinds of food.

New Haven was a wonderful city for ethnic food and culture back in those
days. When I go back and we go into New Haven proper for food, it
typically is to the old pizza/Italian joints that are still there.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:47:04 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/27/13, 11:28 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 10:33:48 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 23:20:07 -0500, wrote:


I make spaghetti sauce about 2 gallons at a time. I have some freezer
containers that are just the right amount of sauce for a pound of
pasta so next time is real fast.

I buy the 40oz bottles of Victoria Marinara Sauce from Costco. (Told you I cheated.) Then add my
own spices, garlic, onions, etc, along with hot Italian sausage. Never made spaghetti sauce from
scratch. Too much work. Sprucing up a decent marinara sauce seems to work. Everyone likes it.


I guess I am just old school. I have been making my own red sauces for
50 years. The biggest trick is finding decent Italian sausage for
spaghetti.


The Italian immigrant lady who lived next door to us in New Haven (we
had a Greek family on the other side) made her own sauces from scratch.
Her kitchen was a marvel to behold, what with the garlics and other
spices, and sometimes cheese and stuff hanging from the ceiling. The
best part was that only one of her three sons liked traditional Italian
cooking, which meant that whenever I was over there, I got a plateful of
whatever she was making. I loved her kitchen and her cooking. I can't
imagine she ever "froze" her sauce. She was a great cook. So was my
mother, but she cooked entirely different kinds of food.

New Haven was a wonderful city for ethnic food and culture back in those
days. When I go back and we go into New Haven proper for food, it
typically is to the old pizza/Italian joints that are still there.

I am so glad to see you've changed your attitude with regard to postings about food.

Hope you're having a great day!