Mac computers and Apple
 

A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/13, 7:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.





It took me a few weeks of steady use and lots of phone calls and a few
visits to the Apple store to transition from Windows to OS X.

Application software pretty much is called application software or
applications on both PCs and MACs. There is a program folder. It is
called "Applications". It can be a Place or a Favorite, depending on
whether you are using the included Finder app or a third party app, such
as Path Finder, which is what I use.

Most of us use the same password for iTunes, iCloud, the Apple store, et
cetera, and a different password for the computer itself. That way, you
only have two passwords to deal with. You can change these passwords to
consolidate them.

There is plenty of instructional info on the MAC operating system. The
problem is that Apple doesn't really provide a manual, so you have to
either buy yourself a third party manual or you have to search Apple's
site on line for what you need, or...just call the Applecare line with a
list of questions, which is what I did when I got started with OS X.

Have you plumbed the Utilities subfolder in the Applications folder?
That'll be fine the first time.

There are plenty of people who can help you. In my experience, they all
speak 'Merikan English.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/2013 7:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.




You need to start visiting the Apple Genius(god) for spiritual guidance.
That Mrs E is a smart cookie. She knows that you don't accept mysteries.

--
Americans deserve better.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/2013 8:02 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 7:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.





It took me a few weeks of steady use and lots of phone calls and a few
visits to the Apple store to transition from Windows to OS X.

Application software pretty much is called application software or
applications on both PCs and MACs. There is a program folder. It is
called "Applications". It can be a Place or a Favorite, depending on
whether you are using the included Finder app or a third party app, such
as Path Finder, which is what I use.

Most of us use the same password for iTunes, iCloud, the Apple store, et
cetera, and a different password for the computer itself. That way, you
only have two passwords to deal with. You can change these passwords to
consolidate them.

There is plenty of instructional info on the MAC operating system. The
problem is that Apple doesn't really provide a manual, so you have to
either buy yourself a third party manual or you have to search Apple's
site on line for what you need, or...just call the Applecare line with a
list of questions, which is what I did when I got started with OS X.

Have you plumbed the Utilities subfolder in the Applications folder?
That'll be fine the first time.

There are plenty of people who can help you. In my experience, they all
speak 'Merikan English.


Well, I am somewhat relieved to know I am not the only person in the
world who is going through a "transition" of thought. I tend to be a
stubborn SOB and when something isn't working like it should I get
tenacious in trying to determine why. Last night I gave up on trying to
install the music editing program ... err ... "application" and went to
bed. Couldn't sleep though. Had to get up at 2am and try again.

Usually I visit one of the many Apple forums after doing a google on
whatever issue I am trying to resolve. So far, I've been able to find
the answers. It's just a different way of organizing files. I've
noticed that programs ... err .. "applications" that come directly from
Apple install and run with no problem or intervention on the user's
part. The problem I had was installing third party .. "apps" that are
designed for a Mac but don't automatically install in the program or
apps area.

Obviously, I hear the term "apps" everyday. Seems like there are apps
for everything. Yesterday I was taking a ride up to the guitar shop and
stopped at Dunkin' Donuts to pick up a couple of coffees. I watched as
the girl in the car ahead of me at the drive up window held her cell
phone up to the attendant who used a scanning device to read whatever
was displayed on the phone. I asked the attendant what *that* was all
about. It's an "app" that allows you to purchase from Dunkin' Donuts
from a pre-paid account.

In past experiences with Windows, I never really heard of a program
being called an "application". They were always software programs to
me. Demonstrates how out of touch with this stuff I've been.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/24/2013 7:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.




You need to start visiting the Apple Genius(god) for spiritual guidance.
That Mrs E is a smart cookie. She knows that you don't accept mysteries.


I'll tell you one thing. Don't believe any Mac enthusiast who says "a
Mac never crashes".

Maybe it's not a full bore, screen of death "Crash" but I've locked up
both iMacs a couple of times. Similar to the Windows, "program not
responding" thing.

I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some
files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access
the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I
tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to
do a "force quit". Still working on that one.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/13, 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:02 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Well, I am somewhat relieved to know I am not the only person in the
world who is going through a "transition" of thought. I tend to be a
stubborn SOB and when something isn't working like it should I get
tenacious in trying to determine why. Last night I gave up on trying to
install the music editing program ... err ... "application" and went to
bed. Couldn't sleep though. Had to get up at 2am and try again.

Usually I visit one of the many Apple forums after doing a google on
whatever issue I am trying to resolve. So far, I've been able to find
the answers. It's just a different way of organizing files. I've
noticed that programs ... err .. "applications" that come directly from
Apple install and run with no problem or intervention on the user's
part. The problem I had was installing third party .. "apps" that are
designed for a Mac but don't automatically install in the program or
apps area.

Obviously, I hear the term "apps" everyday. Seems like there are apps
for everything. Yesterday I was taking a ride up to the guitar shop and
stopped at Dunkin' Donuts to pick up a couple of coffees. I watched as
the girl in the car ahead of me at the drive up window held her cell
phone up to the attendant who used a scanning device to read whatever
was displayed on the phone. I asked the attendant what *that* was all
about. It's an "app" that allows you to purchase from Dunkin' Donuts
from a pre-paid account.

In past experiences with Windows, I never really heard of a program
being called an "application". They were always software programs to
me. Demonstrates how out of touch with this stuff I've been.


I actually "gave up" on learning the Apple OS the first time I was
exposed to it. A client of mine in 2000 was an "Apple shop," and didn't
have a Windows PC in the building. I was given an office to use when I
was on site editing deliverables. The office was equipped with a brand
new Apple laptop. It drove me nuts. I ended up bringing my own Windows
laptop with me to do work on and then emailing the deliverables through
the client's system as WORD files, which everyone could use.

In 2008, when my Windows laptop was nearing the end of its useful life
for me, I sold it and bought an Apple laptop and tried anew. I *had* to
learn the Apple OS, so I did. Five years later, I still find some of the
"Apple way" obtuse compared to Windows, but, all in all, I think the
Apple OS is far superior in many ways to Windows. It sure as hell is
steadier, too.



--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/2013 8:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/24/2013 7:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.




You need to start visiting the Apple Genius(god) for spiritual guidance.
That Mrs E is a smart cookie. She knows that you don't accept mysteries.


I'll tell you one thing. Don't believe any Mac enthusiast who says "a
Mac never crashes".

Maybe it's not a full bore, screen of death "Crash" but I've locked up
both iMacs a couple of times. Similar to the Windows, "program not
responding" thing.

I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some
files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access
the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I
tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to
do a "force quit". Still working on that one.

That's kinda the way it's supposed to work. Anything you want to share
has to be put in a folder with a shared attribute. I'm not a fan of
doing that. Copying to a USB hard drive makes the files portable and
easy to transfer to another device. I don't know if Mac and PC file
structure is compatible though. I suspect some are and some aren't.

--
Americans deserve better.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/2013 9:11 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/24/2013 7:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought
another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure
out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of
the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac,
it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.




You need to start visiting the Apple Genius(god) for spiritual guidance.
That Mrs E is a smart cookie. She knows that you don't accept mysteries.


I'll tell you one thing. Don't believe any Mac enthusiast who says "a
Mac never crashes".

Maybe it's not a full bore, screen of death "Crash" but I've locked up
both iMacs a couple of times. Similar to the Windows, "program not
responding" thing.

I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some
files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access
the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I
tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to
do a "force quit". Still working on that one.

That's kinda the way it's supposed to work. Anything you want to share
has to be put in a folder with a shared attribute. I'm not a fan of
doing that. Copying to a USB hard drive makes the files portable and
easy to transfer to another device. I don't know if Mac and PC file
structure is compatible though. I suspect some are and some aren't.



Actually, I've used "Dropbox" for years. 2 Gb of free storage and
useful when you want to get a file from your computer at home or work at
a remote location. You just have to remember to put the file in the
Dropbox.

I just installed Dropbox on the iMac. Works fine.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:44:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.


One of these would have provided much more satisfaction:

http://tinyurl.com/pw2fqfy

Never mind, it's not MA compliant. BTW, does that mean you are not allowed to own one in MA, or they
just can't be sold there?




John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Mac computers and Apple
 

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:

On 12/24/2013 7:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas

gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my

daughter's iMac.



Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another

iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and

video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all

out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.



I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:



1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:

2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been

indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.



I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the

transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making

progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading

third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.



Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)



Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is

installed in the Programs folder.



Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"

folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music

editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you

had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download

place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out

where *that* was.



And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...

iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have

an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it

work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a

request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the

several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts

shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.



I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is

very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of

instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs

and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows

burned into my brain.



The jury is still out.









You need to start visiting the Apple Genius(god) for spiritual guidance..

That Mrs E is a smart cookie. She knows that you don't accept mysteries..





I'll tell you one thing. Don't believe any Mac enthusiast who says "a

Mac never crashes".



Maybe it's not a full bore, screen of death "Crash" but I've locked up

both iMacs a couple of times. Similar to the Windows, "program not

responding" thing.



I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.

Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops and hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older laptops had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs). Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're a PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to them. Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/2013 9:28 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:44:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.


One of these would have provided much more satisfaction:

http://tinyurl.com/pw2fqfy

Never mind, it's not MA compliant. BTW, does that mean you are not allowed to own one in MA, or they
just can't be sold there?




John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Pretty much both for guns manufactured after 1998. Illegal to purchase
and illegal to own. Non-compliant guns made before 1998 are legal to
own and/or purchase as long as the gun has always been in MA since new.
In other words, I can't purchase a non-compliant new one, nor a
non-compliant, pre-1998 model from a source or owner outside of MA.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops and hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older laptops had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs). Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're a PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to them. Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is
meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/13, 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no
PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops
and hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older
laptops had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports
(HPs). Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't
output the required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to
put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're
a PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More
frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to
them. Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is
meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

My iMac, which is a few years old, has a CD/DVD burner drive, but I use
a much faster external one. My guess is that Apple removed the internal
burner because it wanted to make the display...thinner. I've read that,
and simply don't understand it, since the damned thing was already thin
and sits on a desktop.

Thunderbolt is Apple's new, faster port technology. The port can be used
for many devices and purposes. For about $12 you can buy a Thunderbolt
to HDMI connector. I use the Thunderbolt port on my MacBook Air to
attach a LAN connector cable.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:03:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/24/2013 9:28 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:44:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.


One of these would have provided much more satisfaction:

http://tinyurl.com/pw2fqfy

Never mind, it's not MA compliant. BTW, does that mean you are not allowed to own one in MA, or they
just can't be sold there?




John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Pretty much both for guns manufactured after 1998. Illegal to purchase
and illegal to own. Non-compliant guns made before 1998 are legal to
own and/or purchase as long as the gun has always been in MA since new.
In other words, I can't purchase a non-compliant new one, nor a
non-compliant, pre-1998 model from a source or owner outside of MA.


Wow. That is some heavy 'Big Brother' ****.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/2013 2:56 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:03:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/24/2013 9:28 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:44:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

A few weeks ago I purchased a 27" iMac for Mrs.E. as an early Christmas
gift. This was after months of "hints" being dropped after she saw my
daughter's iMac.

Mrs.E. isn't stupid. Three days ago she reciprocated and bought another
iMac for me ... this one a 21.5" but with the upgraded memory, cpu and
video driver. I know she figures that I'll dive into it, figure it all
out and then be able to support her in the use of hers.

I've come to realize that Mac computers are ideal for those who:

1. Have and regularly use an iPhone and or iPad or:
2. Have never used PCs and Windows and therefore have not been
indoctrinated in the Microsoft mindset.

I've been using PCs and Windows for so many years that making the
transition is not as easy as I thought it would be. I am making
progress but simple tasks that I can do in minutes on a PC like loading
third party software isn't quite the same on the iMac.

Examples that I am learning: (this probably sounds stupid to many)

Software for a PC is usually called a "program" and typically is
installed in the Programs folder.

Software for a Mac is called an "application". There is no "program"
folder. It took me over an hour last night to install some music
editing software and make it work on the iMac because I didn't know you
had to drag it and any plug-ins associated with it from the download
place to the "applications" page. Took me 15 minutes just to figure out
where *that* was.

And passwords. Holy Crap! Apple has passwords for everything ...
iTunes, iCloud, their Apple Store, and for the computer itself. I have
an account for iTunes that I used on the PCs. Think I could make it
work on the Mac? Seems like everything you do on the Mac results in a
request to enter your password. Problem is, I don't know *which* of the
several passwords it wants. I enter one and the stupid box starts
shaking, meaning I put the wrong one in.

I admit, once you begin to understand the architecture of the Mac, it is
very simple, so simple that Apple doesn't provide much in the form of
instructional information. Again, I can see that if you never used PCs
and Windows, it would be very intuitive. My problem is I have Windows
burned into my brain.

The jury is still out.


One of these would have provided much more satisfaction:

http://tinyurl.com/pw2fqfy

Never mind, it's not MA compliant. BTW, does that mean you are not allowed to own one in MA, or they
just can't be sold there?




John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Pretty much both for guns manufactured after 1998. Illegal to purchase
and illegal to own. Non-compliant guns made before 1998 are legal to
own and/or purchase as long as the gun has always been in MA since new.
In other words, I can't purchase a non-compliant new one, nor a
non-compliant, pre-1998 model from a source or owner outside of MA.


Wow. That is some heavy 'Big Brother' ****.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's annoying because the ones that are MA compliant have excessive
safety features that nobody wants. Long, 10 pound trigger pull,
safeties upon safeties, etc.

I've mentioned before that the problem in MA is that there are *two*
governing agencies that determine if a firearm is MA compliant or not.
One is a testing lab, the other is the Attorney General's office. In
order to be MA compliant, the gun must be approved by *both*. In many
cases the testing labs approve a certain model but the AG's office does
not ... probably for reasons other than safety issues.

Mac computers and Apple
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no
PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops and
hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older laptops
had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs).
Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to
put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're a
PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to them.
Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

My wife likes it as it is all self contained, and wires not running around
pretty much. But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the
CD.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/24/13, 3:55 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no
PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops and
hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older laptops
had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs).
Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to
put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're a
PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to them.
Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

My wife likes it as it is all self contained, and wires not running around
pretty much. But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the
CD.


You back up your desktop to a CD? That must take a long time.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no
PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops
and hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older
laptops had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports
(HPs). Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't
output the required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to
put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're
a PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More
frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to
them. Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is
meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

My iMac, which is a few years old, has a CD/DVD burner drive, but I
use a much faster external one. My guess is that Apple removed the
internal burner because it wanted to make the display...thinner. I've
read that, and simply don't understand it, since the damned thing was
already thin and sits on a desktop.

Thunderbolt is Apple's new, faster port technology. The port can be
used for many devices and purposes. For about $12 you can buy a
Thunderbolt to HDMI connector. I use the Thunderbolt port on my
MacBook Air to attach a LAN connector cable.

Could you still afford to buy your new computers if you paid all of your
taxes and debts or are WE subsidizing your toys?

Mac computers and Apple
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/24/13, 3:55 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no
PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops and
hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older laptops
had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs).
Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the
required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to
put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're a
PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to them.
Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

My wife likes it as it is all self contained, and wires not running around
pretty much. But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the
CD.


You back up your desktop to a CD? That must take a long time.


Read for comprehension.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/13, 11:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/24/13, 3:55 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no
PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops and
hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older laptops
had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs).
Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the
required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to
put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're a
PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to them.
Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

My wife likes it as it is all self contained, and wires not running around
pretty much. But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the
CD.


You back up your desktop to a CD? That must take a long time.


Read for comprehension.


I did. To me it reads as if you use the Time Machine app to back up to a
CD. I back up my iMac locally to a server using SuperDuper! backup and
Time Machine, and also to a 1 GB hard drive wired on a high speed port
via Time Machine. I run the SuperDuper! backup nightly, the Time Machine
backup weekly, and when I remember, I also run a Time Machine backup to
my server. Once a week, I also backup my iMac data files to the "cloud."
I don't mine the cables, since I have a porthole in my desktop that
leads to a pathway to an underdesk cabinet with my server and other
wired backup gadgets and suchlike live. All but one of the backups are
automated.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/2013 11:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 11:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/24/13, 3:55 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could
access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd
have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no
PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their
laptops and
hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older
laptops
had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs).
Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the
required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to
put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except...
we're a
PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More
frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to
them.
Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other
than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is
meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new
iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something
called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

My wife likes it as it is all self contained, and wires not running
around
pretty much. But you still have to plug int he time machine disk
and the
CD.


You back up your desktop to a CD? That must take a long time.


Read for comprehension.


I did. To me it reads as if you use the Time Machine app to back up to a
CD. I back up my iMac locally to a server using SuperDuper! backup and
Time Machine, and also to a 1 GB hard drive wired on a high speed port
via Time Machine. I run the SuperDuper! backup nightly, the Time Machine
backup weekly, and when I remember, I also run a Time Machine backup to
my server. Once a week, I also backup my iMac data files to the "cloud."
I don't mine the cables, since I have a porthole in my desktop that
leads to a pathway to an underdesk cabinet with my server and other
wired backup gadgets and suchlike live. All but one of the backups are
automated.


Too bad you don't have a porthole next to your office sink.

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On Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:40:40 AM UTC-5, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 3:55 PM, Califbill wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:



On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:





I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some



files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access



the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I



tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to



do a "force quit". Still working on that one.







Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no

PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops and

hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older laptops

had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs).

Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the

required resolution.



After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to

put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're a

PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More frustration and wasted time.



After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to them.

Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.





Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll

give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than

maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is meaningless to me.



Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs

don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a

"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.



The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.

Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an

iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.



It *does* have a phenomenal display however.



My wife likes it as it is all self contained, and wires not running around

pretty much. But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the

CD.





You back up your desktop to a CD? That must take a long time.





Read for comprehension.

He must have missed the word "disk", as in "time machine *disk* and CD". Pretty obvious you have an external hard drive and a CD, at least to me.

Mac computers and Apple
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/26/13, 11:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/24/13, 3:55 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 9:48 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 8:12 AM, Hank� wrote:


I was trying to set up network file sharing so I could transfer some

files from my PC laptop to the iMac. Finally got it so I could access

the PC files, but only the ones stored in the "Public" folder. If I

tried going anywhere else, the iMac stopped responding and I'd have to

do a "force quit". Still working on that one.



Place I work built a new building, and decided that there would be no
PCs in the conference rooms, instead folks would bring their laptops and
hookup to the flat panels via HDMI. Unfortunately, some older laptops
had just VGA, some had HDMI, and some just have display ports (HPs).
Now we need adapter cables, and some laptops just wouldn't output the
required resolution.

After a few weeks of wasted time and frustration, the decision was to
put Apple Mac Mini's in each conference room. Great, except... we're a
PC shop, with just a handful of people having Macs. More frustration and wasted time.

After having a chance now to use one, I don't see any positives to them.
Different, cool looking, but no better. Macs? Meh.


Yup. Like I mentioned before, the jury is still out in my mind. I'll
give it some more time and effort to see what the big deal is other than
maybe a social status thing about being a "Mac" person. That is meaningless to me.

Both of my PC laptops have HDMI outputs built into them. The new iMacs
don't. The have four USB ports, a headphone jack and something called a
"Thunderbolt" port that I have no clue what it would be used for.

The iMacs don't even have a CD/DVD disk drive nor a audio line input.
Like someone mentioned here, I am starting to get the feeling that an
iMac is nothing more than an expensive iPhone on steroids.

It *does* have a phenomenal display however.

My wife likes it as it is all self contained, and wires not running around
pretty much. But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the
CD.


You back up your desktop to a CD? That must take a long time.


Read for comprehension.


I did. To me it reads as if you use the Time Machine app to back up to a
CD. I back up my iMac locally to a server using SuperDuper! backup and
Time Machine, and also to a 1 GB hard drive wired on a high speed port
via Time Machine. I run the SuperDuper! backup nightly, the Time Machine
backup weekly, and when I remember, I also run a Time Machine backup to
my server. Once a week, I also backup my iMac data files to the "cloud."
I don't mine the cables, since I have a porthole in my desktop that leads
to a pathway to an underdesk cabinet with my server and other wired
backup gadgets and suchlike live. All but one of the backups are automated.


But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the CD.

Which part of 'and' is incomprehensible?

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/13, 4:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:


But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the CD.

Which part of 'and' is incomprehensible?


I leave my iMac "plugged in," since I have no reason not to do so. I do
have a cable coming out of my router with an Apple cable on it to plug
into my Macbook Air, which I back up on a sporadic schedule to my server
via SuperDuper! and to a folder on my server via Time Machine.

Interestingly, at least to me, is that I've yet to come up with an
occasion where I needed to use a CD/DVD drive with the Macbook Air. I
keep a bunch of movies on it for travel via a little plug in solid state
drive, and I have a backup/OS installer on a USB drive. I suppose if I
needed to install something via a CD/DVD drive, I could share one of the
ones I have on the iMac. I just don't see a lot of use anymore for these
CD/DVD drives, but I am sure some people still do.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/2013 4:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 4:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:


But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the CD.

Which part of 'and' is incomprehensible?


I leave my iMac "plugged in," since I have no reason not to do so. I do
have a cable coming out of my router with an Apple cable on it to plug
into my Macbook Air, which I back up on a sporadic schedule to my server
via SuperDuper! and to a folder on my server via Time Machine.

Interestingly, at least to me, is that I've yet to come up with an
occasion where I needed to use a CD/DVD drive with the Macbook Air. I
keep a bunch of movies on it for travel via a little plug in solid state
drive, and I have a backup/OS installer on a USB drive. I suppose if I
needed to install something via a CD/DVD drive, I could share one of the
ones I have on the iMac. I just don't see a lot of use anymore for these
CD/DVD drives, but I am sure some people still do.



I just purchased two different audio to USB adaptors both of which had
their drivers, manual and operating software on a CD. I needed to borrow
my wife's Apple Smartdrive to install them. I could have downloaded the
drivers from the device manufacturer's website but not the operating
software.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/13, 4:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 4:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 4:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:


But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the CD.

Which part of 'and' is incomprehensible?


I leave my iMac "plugged in," since I have no reason not to do so. I do
have a cable coming out of my router with an Apple cable on it to plug
into my Macbook Air, which I back up on a sporadic schedule to my server
via SuperDuper! and to a folder on my server via Time Machine.

Interestingly, at least to me, is that I've yet to come up with an
occasion where I needed to use a CD/DVD drive with the Macbook Air. I
keep a bunch of movies on it for travel via a little plug in solid state
drive, and I have a backup/OS installer on a USB drive. I suppose if I
needed to install something via a CD/DVD drive, I could share one of the
ones I have on the iMac. I just don't see a lot of use anymore for these
CD/DVD drives, but I am sure some people still do.



I just purchased two different audio to USB adaptors both of which had
their drivers, manual and operating software on a CD. I needed to borrow
my wife's Apple Smartdrive to install them. I could have downloaded the
drivers from the device manufacturer's website but not the operating
software.



As previously noted, I don't think it was a great idea for apple to stop
putting a CD/DVD burner/player in its desktop systems. But external
drives better (faster) and less expensive than the Smartdrive are
readily available. As far as I can tell, the decision was made strictly
on the basis of ergonomics.

I can "share" the internal CD/DVD drive on my iMac on my Macbook Air. I
don't know, however, if that is possible with an external CD/DVD drive.

I think my external CD/DVD drive is a Samsung or some other similar
brand. Cost me about $40 years ago. Connects via USB.



--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/13, 6:49 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 4:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 4:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 4:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:


But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the CD.

Which part of 'and' is incomprehensible?


I leave my iMac "plugged in," since I have no reason not to do so. I do
have a cable coming out of my router with an Apple cable on it to plug
into my Macbook Air, which I back up on a sporadic schedule to my server
via SuperDuper! and to a folder on my server via Time Machine.

Interestingly, at least to me, is that I've yet to come up with an
occasion where I needed to use a CD/DVD drive with the Macbook Air. I
keep a bunch of movies on it for travel via a little plug in solid state
drive, and I have a backup/OS installer on a USB drive. I suppose if I
needed to install something via a CD/DVD drive, I could share one of the
ones I have on the iMac. I just don't see a lot of use anymore for these
CD/DVD drives, but I am sure some people still do.



I just purchased two different audio to USB adaptors both of which had
their drivers, manual and operating software on a CD. I needed to borrow
my wife's Apple Smartdrive to install them. I could have downloaded the
drivers from the device manufacturer's website but not the operating
software.



As previously noted, I don't think it was a great idea for apple to stop
putting a CD/DVD burner/player in its desktop systems. But external
drives better (faster) and less expensive than the Smartdrive are
readily available. As far as I can tell, the decision was made strictly
on the basis of ergonomics.

I can "share" the internal CD/DVD drive on my iMac on my Macbook Air. I
don't know, however, if that is possible with an external CD/DVD drive.

I think my external CD/DVD drive is a Samsung or some other similar
brand. Cost me about $40 years ago. Connects via USB.




Update: Just popped a CD into my non-iMac external drive that is
connected to the iMac via USB and I was able to read it on my Macbook
Air, which is using WiFi to connect to the LAN.

Therefore you would be able to access CDs in the device attached to your
wife's machine without moving the CD drive. I can also, of course,
access my server via WiFi, and just for the hell of it, I will try
backing up the Macbook Air via WiFi using SuperDuper! I haven't done
this previously via WiFi.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/13, 7:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 6:49 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 4:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 4:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/26/13, 4:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:


But you still have to plug int he time machine disk and the CD.

Which part of 'and' is incomprehensible?


I leave my iMac "plugged in," since I have no reason not to do so. I do
have a cable coming out of my router with an Apple cable on it to plug
into my Macbook Air, which I back up on a sporadic schedule to my
server
via SuperDuper! and to a folder on my server via Time Machine.

Interestingly, at least to me, is that I've yet to come up with an
occasion where I needed to use a CD/DVD drive with the Macbook Air. I
keep a bunch of movies on it for travel via a little plug in solid
state
drive, and I have a backup/OS installer on a USB drive. I suppose if I
needed to install something via a CD/DVD drive, I could share one of
the
ones I have on the iMac. I just don't see a lot of use anymore for
these
CD/DVD drives, but I am sure some people still do.



I just purchased two different audio to USB adaptors both of which had
their drivers, manual and operating software on a CD. I needed to borrow
my wife's Apple Smartdrive to install them. I could have downloaded the
drivers from the device manufacturer's website but not the operating
software.



As previously noted, I don't think it was a great idea for apple to stop
putting a CD/DVD burner/player in its desktop systems. But external
drives better (faster) and less expensive than the Smartdrive are
readily available. As far as I can tell, the decision was made strictly
on the basis of ergonomics.

I can "share" the internal CD/DVD drive on my iMac on my Macbook Air. I
don't know, however, if that is possible with an external CD/DVD drive.

I think my external CD/DVD drive is a Samsung or some other similar
brand. Cost me about $40 years ago. Connects via USB.




Update: Just popped a CD into my non-iMac external drive that is
connected to the iMac via USB and I was able to read it on my Macbook
Air, which is using WiFi to connect to the LAN.

Therefore you would be able to access CDs in the device attached to your
wife's machine without moving the CD drive. I can also, of course,
access my server via WiFi, and just for the hell of it, I will try
backing up the Macbook Air via WiFi using SuperDuper! I haven't done
this previously via WiFi.


Hmm. The WiFi backup worked.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/2013 7:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Update: Just popped a CD into my non-iMac external drive that is
connected to the iMac via USB and I was able to read it on my Macbook
Air, which is using WiFi to connect to the LAN.

Therefore you would be able to access CDs in the device attached to your
wife's machine without moving the CD drive. I can also, of course,
access my server via WiFi, and just for the hell of it, I will try
backing up the Macbook Air via WiFi using SuperDuper! I haven't done
this previously via WiFi.




Good to know but you are way ahead of anything I'll ever have any need
in doing. Besides, if I ever set up Mrs.E.'s computers to file share on
the home network she'd have my head.

I mess around with it with my own computers just to learn how it's done
but it's just as easy to grab the drive from her computer when I need
it. I just have to remember what side is up.

One thing that I need to get soon and before I try to totally transition
to the iMac is a decent keyboard. I can't get used to the one they
include with the iMac. I realize it's the same general size with the
same spacing (minus the numeric pad) but I can't get used to the feel
of it.

I learned to touch type in high school and over the years of typing on
manual and electric typewriters for school projects, Teletype machines
in the Navy and and technical proposals and manuals on computers when in
business, I became a pretty decent typist. Last time I timed it, I was
still in the 60 words per minute range and sometimes faster. I don't
"hunt and peck" and don't have to look at the keyboard. I am typing
this right now while simultaneously watching Pawnstars on TV.

Anyway, the iMac keyboard just doesn't have the "feel" that even the
keyboard on a HP laptop that I am using has. I need one that feels
more mechanical with a deeper action if that makes sense. I've been
looking at what's available and it looks like Logitech makes some that
would be more to my liking. The iMac keyboard drives me nuts.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/26/13, 8:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 7:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Update: Just popped a CD into my non-iMac external drive that is
connected to the iMac via USB and I was able to read it on my Macbook
Air, which is using WiFi to connect to the LAN.

Therefore you would be able to access CDs in the device attached to your
wife's machine without moving the CD drive. I can also, of course,
access my server via WiFi, and just for the hell of it, I will try
backing up the Macbook Air via WiFi using SuperDuper! I haven't done
this previously via WiFi.




Good to know but you are way ahead of anything I'll ever have any need
in doing. Besides, if I ever set up Mrs.E.'s computers to file share on
the home network she'd have my head.

I mess around with it with my own computers just to learn how it's done
but it's just as easy to grab the drive from her computer when I need
it. I just have to remember what side is up.

One thing that I need to get soon and before I try to totally transition
to the iMac is a decent keyboard. I can't get used to the one they
include with the iMac. I realize it's the same general size with the
same spacing (minus the numeric pad) but I can't get used to the feel
of it.

I learned to touch type in high school and over the years of typing on
manual and electric typewriters for school projects, Teletype machines
in the Navy and and technical proposals and manuals on computers when in
business, I became a pretty decent typist. Last time I timed it, I was
still in the 60 words per minute range and sometimes faster. I don't
"hunt and peck" and don't have to look at the keyboard. I am typing
this right now while simultaneously watching Pawnstars on TV.

Anyway, the iMac keyboard just doesn't have the "feel" that even the
keyboard on a HP laptop that I am using has. I need one that feels
more mechanical with a deeper action if that makes sense. I've been
looking at what's available and it looks like Logitech makes some that
would be more to my liking. The iMac keyboard drives me nuts.





There are a couple of high end keyboards that are very good. I'll look
up the names. I use a Macally MKEYE, about $20. I like it better than
the Mac keyboard.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:15:57 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 7:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:







Update: Just popped a CD into my non-iMac external drive that is

connected to the iMac via USB and I was able to read it on my Macbook

Air, which is using WiFi to connect to the LAN.



Therefore you would be able to access CDs in the device attached to your

wife's machine without moving the CD drive. I can also, of course,

access my server via WiFi, and just for the hell of it, I will try

backing up the Macbook Air via WiFi using SuperDuper! I haven't done

this previously via WiFi.









Good to know but you are way ahead of anything I'll ever have any need

in doing. Besides, if I ever set up Mrs.E.'s computers to file share on

the home network she'd have my head.



I mess around with it with my own computers just to learn how it's done

but it's just as easy to grab the drive from her computer when I need

it. I just have to remember what side is up.



One thing that I need to get soon and before I try to totally transition

to the iMac is a decent keyboard. I can't get used to the one they

include with the iMac. I realize it's the same general size with the

same spacing (minus the numeric pad) but I can't get used to the feel

of it.



I learned to touch type in high school and over the years of typing on

manual and electric typewriters for school projects, Teletype machines

in the Navy and and technical proposals and manuals on computers when in

business, I became a pretty decent typist. Last time I timed it, I was

still in the 60 words per minute range and sometimes faster. I don't

"hunt and peck" and don't have to look at the keyboard. I am typing

this right now while simultaneously watching Pawnstars on TV.



Anyway, the iMac keyboard just doesn't have the "feel" that even the

keyboard on a HP laptop that I am using has. I need one that feels

more mechanical with a deeper action if that makes sense. I've been

looking at what's available and it looks like Logitech makes some that

would be more to my liking. The iMac keyboard drives me nuts.

Check into Cherry keyboards. Cherry is a switch manufacturer, and they make a line of keyboards using their mechanical switches that I love. I always preferred the old IBM mechanical switch keyboards with the "clicky" keys, and really didn't like it when everyone switched over to the soft, membrane key switches. I bought a Cherry for work and didn't look back. Don't know if they make them for macs, though. It was about $100.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/27/2013 8:39 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:15:57 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 7:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:







Update: Just popped a CD into my non-iMac external drive that is

connected to the iMac via USB and I was able to read it on my Macbook

Air, which is using WiFi to connect to the LAN.



Therefore you would be able to access CDs in the device attached to your

wife's machine without moving the CD drive. I can also, of course,

access my server via WiFi, and just for the hell of it, I will try

backing up the Macbook Air via WiFi using SuperDuper! I haven't done

this previously via WiFi.









Good to know but you are way ahead of anything I'll ever have any need

in doing. Besides, if I ever set up Mrs.E.'s computers to file share on

the home network she'd have my head.



I mess around with it with my own computers just to learn how it's done

but it's just as easy to grab the drive from her computer when I need

it. I just have to remember what side is up.



One thing that I need to get soon and before I try to totally transition

to the iMac is a decent keyboard. I can't get used to the one they

include with the iMac. I realize it's the same general size with the

same spacing (minus the numeric pad) but I can't get used to the feel

of it.



I learned to touch type in high school and over the years of typing on

manual and electric typewriters for school projects, Teletype machines

in the Navy and and technical proposals and manuals on computers when in

business, I became a pretty decent typist. Last time I timed it, I was

still in the 60 words per minute range and sometimes faster. I don't

"hunt and peck" and don't have to look at the keyboard. I am typing

this right now while simultaneously watching Pawnstars on TV.



Anyway, the iMac keyboard just doesn't have the "feel" that even the

keyboard on a HP laptop that I am using has. I need one that feels

more mechanical with a deeper action if that makes sense. I've been

looking at what's available and it looks like Logitech makes some that

would be more to my liking. The iMac keyboard drives me nuts.

Check into Cherry keyboards. Cherry is a switch manufacturer, and they make a line of keyboards using their mechanical switches that I love. I always preferred the old IBM mechanical switch keyboards with the "clicky" keys, and really didn't like it when everyone switched over to the soft, membrane key switches. I bought a Cherry for work and didn't look back. Don't know if they make them for macs, though. It was about $100.



I'll check into them. I think that's exactly what I am looking for.
Used to use Cherry switches often in the control systems we built but
never thought they made keyboards. I like the "clackity-clack" of the
old keyboards.

Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/27/2013 9:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/27/2013 8:39 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:15:57 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 7:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:







Update: Just popped a CD into my non-iMac external drive that is

connected to the iMac via USB and I was able to read it on my Macbook

Air, which is using WiFi to connect to the LAN.



Therefore you would be able to access CDs in the device attached to
your

wife's machine without moving the CD drive. I can also, of course,

access my server via WiFi, and just for the hell of it, I will try

backing up the Macbook Air via WiFi using SuperDuper! I haven't done

this previously via WiFi.









Good to know but you are way ahead of anything I'll ever have any need

in doing. Besides, if I ever set up Mrs.E.'s computers to file share on

the home network she'd have my head.



I mess around with it with my own computers just to learn how it's done

but it's just as easy to grab the drive from her computer when I need

it. I just have to remember what side is up.



One thing that I need to get soon and before I try to totally transition

to the iMac is a decent keyboard. I can't get used to the one they

include with the iMac. I realize it's the same general size with the

same spacing (minus the numeric pad) but I can't get used to the feel

of it.



I learned to touch type in high school and over the years of typing on

manual and electric typewriters for school projects, Teletype machines

in the Navy and and technical proposals and manuals on computers when in

business, I became a pretty decent typist. Last time I timed it, I was

still in the 60 words per minute range and sometimes faster. I don't

"hunt and peck" and don't have to look at the keyboard. I am typing

this right now while simultaneously watching Pawnstars on TV.



Anyway, the iMac keyboard just doesn't have the "feel" that even the

keyboard on a HP laptop that I am using has. I need one that feels

more mechanical with a deeper action if that makes sense. I've been

looking at what's available and it looks like Logitech makes some that

would be more to my liking. The iMac keyboard drives me nuts.

Check into Cherry keyboards. Cherry is a switch manufacturer, and
they make a line of keyboards using their mechanical switches that I
love. I always preferred the old IBM mechanical switch keyboards with
the "clicky" keys, and really didn't like it when everyone switched
over to the soft, membrane key switches. I bought a Cherry for work
and didn't look back. Don't know if they make them for macs, though.
It was about $100.



I'll check into them. I think that's exactly what I am looking for.
Used to use Cherry switches often in the control systems we built but
never thought they made keyboards. I like the "clackity-clack" of the
old keyboards.


Clackity clack don't look back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0m0hTrtlWM



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Mac computers and Apple
 

On 12/27/2013 10:44 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/27/2013 9:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/27/2013 8:39 AM, wrote:


Check into Cherry keyboards. Cherry is a switch manufacturer, and
they make a line of keyboards using their mechanical switches that I
love. I always preferred the old IBM mechanical switch keyboards with
the "clicky" keys, and really didn't like it when everyone switched
over to the soft, membrane key switches. I bought a Cherry for work
and didn't look back. Don't know if they make them for macs, though.
It was about $100.



I'll check into them. I think that's exactly what I am looking for.
Used to use Cherry switches often in the control systems we built but
never thought they made keyboards. I like the "clackity-clack" of the
old keyboards.


Clackity clack don't look back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0m0hTrtlWM


Car looks vaguely familiar. I wonder what ever happened to it?