On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.

On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.




Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game
as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?

You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints
defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player
out of a game.

The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New
Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000
reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave
the game.

Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be
surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with
professional gamblers.





--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:34:10 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.




Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game
as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?

You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints
defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player
out of a game.

The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New
Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000
reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave
the game.

Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be
surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with
professional gamblers.

Donnie sees 'private parts' in chestnuts, you see 'NFL heroes' in 'degree of respect'??

What the hell are you drinking?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.




Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game
as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?

You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints
defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player
out of a game.

The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New
Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000
reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave
the game.

Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be
surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with
professional gamblers.


Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you
think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player?

Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in
any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way.

Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports
doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad.

You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you.

On 12/17/2013 11:44 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.

If those guys were bright enough to do as they were trained, they'd
protect themselves form oncoming cleats.


Besides, you do get a lot more deliberate than the play at home plate
that comes once every few innings at best... In football you have
pre-planned plays, designed to get as many huge men to hit one guy at
once as possible... They know to "one hit high, one spin, one strip the
ball by smashing the guy in the head as hard as possible".. This is
every 3-7 seconds during any football game... There is not one player in
the NFL that doesn't make each and every hit with the intent of putting
someone out of the game...

On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Well, when your grandkids get to playing football, ask them...

On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.

On 12/17/13, 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.




Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game
as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?

You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints
defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player
out of a game.

The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New
Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000
reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave
the game.

Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be
surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with
professional gamblers.


Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you
think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player?

Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in
any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way.

Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports
doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad.

You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you.




I don't give a damn about football one way or the other. I just think it
is so very American for so many Americans to "admire" pro and semi-pro
football athletes who are not prizefighters and whose sport is full of
intentional violence aimed at injuring opposing players. That and the
drugs and the gambling... Is there really any significant difference
between the NFL and the gladiator contests of ancient Rome?

You might find this interesting:

http://tinyurl.com/pvzn7ue

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/17/2013 1:20 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.


My non-expert view makes a hell of a lot more sense than your comment:

"Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an
eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc....."

Snerk yourself.